House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to
right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

B is a check valve, C went to hot water, to keep toilet tank from sweating.

"Rick" wrote in message
...

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to
right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

B is a check valve, C went to hot water, to keep toilet tank from
sweating.

Or a combination thereof...

"Rick" wrote in
:


"Red Green" wrote in message
...
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise) you can increase the water temperature; to lower the
water temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water. Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to
right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

B is a check valve, C went to hot water, to keep toilet tank from
sweating.


So I take it B should remain and all to the right can be plumbed straight
to the new toilet?

Red Green wrote in
:

"Rick" wrote in
:


"Red Green" wrote in message
...
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise) you can increase the water temperature; to lower the
water temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water. Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B
to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

B is a check valve, C went to hot water, to keep toilet tank from
sweating.


So I take it B should remain and all to the right can be plumbed
straight to the new toilet?


Speculating again, maybe B can be removed? Don't all new toilet guts have
check valves built into them? New Toto toilet.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:14:34 +0000, Red Green wrote:
D goes to a toilet

Hmm, I would say Rick's correct - although I'm (slightly) surprised that
the mixing valve takes in water from one end and halfway down, and the
output is at the other end. Maybe that's right, I just would have guessed
that the "inputs" at at the two ends and the output is in the middle
(with some form of sliding valve internally to control the mix ratio).

Are there arrows or anything on the valve body to indicate that it was
installed correctly? If it was put in wrong then as things are currently
I expect it's acting like a valve that's half closed :-) (and if it was
put in wrong then maybe that explains why the hot feed's been taken out!)

cheers

Jules

Jules Richardson wrote in
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 16:14:34 +0000, Red Green wrote:
D goes to a toilet

Hmm, I would say Rick's correct - although I'm (slightly) surprised
that the mixing valve takes in water from one end and halfway down,
and the output is at the other end. Maybe that's right, I just would
have guessed that the "inputs" at at the two ends and the output is in
the middle (with some form of sliding valve internally to control the
mix ratio).

Are there arrows or anything on the valve body to indicate that it was
installed correctly? If it was put in wrong then as things are
currently I expect it's acting like a valve that's half closed :-)
(and if it was put in wrong then maybe that explains why the hot
feed's been taken out!)

cheers

Jules


Hey, anything is possible.

Consider to name a couple of things - the old toilet was in with lag bolts
& the flex supply to the toilet inlet whent through the floor and connected
to a shutoff in the basement.

"Red Green" wrote in message
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B
to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

Toilets filled with cold water will sweat and drip water on the floor.
Like a cold glass of water forms water on the outside.

A solution to this problem is to mix a bit of hot water with the cold
via a mixing valve, then warm water fills the toilet, it does not
sweat, and there is no water on the floor.

Check valves only allow water to flow one direction. Like a one way
street. That check valve could prevent toilet water from flowing back
into the pipes if the water was turned off. Or there may be a hot
water circulation pump system and the check valve would make sure the
warm water circulates as it should in the system.

So if you remove those components, you may be creating problems. The
toilet might begin to sweat. And if you have a hot water circulation
system, you may suddenly have hot water in the cold pipes!

Most plumbing gizmos are there for a reason.

On Feb 10, 10:14*am, Red Green wrote:
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the other
side. Web says:
* * * * "To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (clockwise)
* * * * *you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
* * * * *temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

Definitely a water temperature tempering system. A nice thing to have
if you can get it working well.

Joe

"Bill" wrote in news:8rils7F95rU1
@mid.individual.net:

"Red Green" wrote in message
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B
to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

Toilets filled with cold water will sweat and drip water on the floor.
Like a cold glass of water forms water on the outside.

A solution to this problem is to mix a bit of hot water with the cold
via a mixing valve, then warm water fills the toilet, it does not
sweat, and there is no water on the floor.

Check valves only allow water to flow one direction. Like a one way
street. That check valve could prevent toilet water from flowing back
into the pipes if the water was turned off. Or there may be a hot
water circulation pump system and the check valve would make sure the
warm water circulates as it should in the system.

So if you remove those components, you may be creating problems. The
toilet might begin to sweat.

Only cold water is hooked up. As I mentioned, pipe C is capped off to the
right. I may just leave the mess except for changing the supply pipe D so
it goes up through the floor with the valve right below the toilet in the
bathroom instead of in the basement where it was.

If energetic, I'll leave the check valve and remove the mixer.

And if you have a hot water circulation
system, you may suddenly have hot water in the cold pipes!

Most plumbing gizmos are there for a reason.

Joe wrote in
:

On Feb 10, 10:14*am, Red Green wrote:
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other side. Web says:
* * * * "To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (
clockwise)
* * * * *you can increase the water temperature; to lower the w
ater
* * * * *temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwi
se)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water. Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to
rig
ht
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

Definitely a water temperature tempering system. A nice thing to have
if you can get it working well.

Joe


Didn't sign up for that and wasn't asked. Let it go and get done with the
planned stuff.

Red Green wrote in
:

House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over
time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the
other side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold
water. Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to
right could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????


Thanks to all for the replies and any future ones.

Red...

On Feb 10, 8:14*am, Red Green wrote:
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw on the other
side. Web says:
* * * * "To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right (clockwise)
* * * * *you can increase the water temperature; to lower the water
* * * * *temperature, turn the knob to the left (counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess from B to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????

RG-

As mentioned, it WAS a mixing situation to provide warm water so the
tank won't sweat.

Now it's all cold.....if you don't get sweating & don't envision
reintroducing hot water,
emove ALL of the valving and just plumb the toilet with cold water
(which is what you have with the hot feed no longer active)

cheers
Bob

Item B is called a "check valve". It allows water flow in
one direction only. The smaller knob, upper left, is a
pivot. The top nut is a clean out, so that someone can clear
any junk or crud. It's common to use check valves before
water mixer, otherwise sometimes the hot and cold waters go
in strange directions.

Since it's all cold water now, I'd be tempted to leave the
check valve in. Won't hurt anything. From the looks of the
pipe lay out, you could take the two elbows (just left of B)
out, and put in a shut off valve to hook the copper back
together. Might need a short length of pipe, and a coupler
or union.

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Christopher A. Young
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"Red Green" wrote in message
...
House from the 50's.

Not much of a plumber but just looking, seems a lot of
hacking over time.

What is item B?
What's it for if name is not self descriptive?
Nut on side - a drain?
Nut on top?

http://oi52.tinypic.com/deuult.jpg

Pipe to left of B is cold water coming in, hence the arrow
marking.

D goes to a toilet

C goes no place. It's capped off out of pic.

A is a Beacon Mixing Valve 69. There's an adjustment screw
on the other
side. Web says:
"To operate: by turning the adjusting knob to the right
(clockwise)
you can increase the water temperature; to lower the
water
temperature, turn the knob to the left
(counterclockwise)"

Don't know what there is a mixing valve there for. It's all
cold water.
Guessing it had a former use.

Unless B has a current function I'm guessing the whole mess
from B to right
could be removed and 1/2" Cu direct to toilet????