I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.

Michael Dobony wrote:
I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.
Hi,
I am not much into wood working. I lucked out on a garage sale for
vintage Delta table. This is pro grade built like tank. They don't build
it like this any more. Why don't you try your luck?

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:38:06 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote:
I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.
Hi,
I am not much into wood working. I lucked out on a garage sale for
vintage Delta table. This is pro grade built like tank. They don't build
it like this any more. Why don't you try your luck?

I need to get something quickly.

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
...
I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.

That Sears one looks so good for that price that I think I'll go tomorrow
and buy one. And I have three now. Buy the good Sears one. You won't
regret it later, and you might with the HF one.

What I'd do anyway.

Steve

Michael Dobony wrote:
I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended
warranty on HF for about the same price as the Sears.

I have never owned a Sears router that didn't break with after light usage.
Every one of them (I'm on the fourth one now) has had whatever mechanism
used on that model which locks the shaft when you tighten the collet break
in one way or another.

If you want a Sears router, buy one at a pawn shop, and expect it to go tits
up when you are in the middle of a project. At least you won't be out the
retail price.

If you are going to pay retail for a router, get a decent (AKA not a Sears)
one and be done with it.

As for the table, it looks like melamine on pressboard and sheet metal for
the base. The important part is the fence, and judging from the package,
I'm guessing it isn't going to be very precise.

As for the HF router, that is one of the few HF tools I would NOT consider
taking a chance with (and I have a bunch of HF tools).

Jon

On 1/19/2011 5:33 PM Jon Danniken spake thus:

Michael Dobony wrote:

I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended
warranty on HF for about the same price as the Sears.

I have never owned a Sears router that didn't break with after light usage.
Every one of them (I'm on the fourth one now) has had whatever mechanism
used on that model which locks the shaft when you tighten the collet break
in one way or another.

If you want a Sears router, buy one at a pawn shop, and expect it to go tits
up when you are in the middle of a project. At least you won't be out the
retail price.

If you are going to pay retail for a router, get a decent (AKA not a Sears)
one and be done with it.

That's much different from my experience with Sears routers. However, I
got my Craftsman router in, hmm, lessee, about 1975, used from another
woodworker, and since then I've only had to replace the power switch.
Granted, it's not the world's greatest router, and I've never done
production work with it, but it works now, more than 35 years later, as
well as it did when I bought it. It's fine for small jobs.

Newer Crapsman may be more, well, crappy. Can't say for sure.

As for the HF router, that is one of the few HF tools I would NOT consider
taking a chance with (and I have a bunch of HF tools).

Same here. I guess I might buy one from HF if I absolutely needed it
*that day*, but otherwise, no.


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"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
...

I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.

---------------

For almost half the price you can get this Ryobi one at Home Depot. it gets
slightly better reviews. It's a little less horsepower and a slight bit
small table BUT it's a die cast table, not laminated. 1/4" collets. I'm in
Canada and I'm thinking of getting it for myself in the next month or so.
it's $119 here. For a couple of quick projects, it looks easy on the
wallet.

I always thought many Craftsmen tools were made by Skil.

Have some experience with both routers and can say that I would never buy
another Sears Router. The first I got was with the forerunner to the table
that you are considering. The table is /was great for routine projects. ( I
have added a few things to the fence for hold downs, etc.) and after about 6
years haven't found a reason to buy another! The router was another story.
After prolonged use the collet wouldn't hold the bit at a set depth. Ruined
a few projects before I gave it away. Also , if you have never ducked a
spinning bit that came loose from that collet, consider yourself fortunate.
Seeing another larger Sears on sale, I foolishly bought it also. Nice
features, soft start and all, but it still wasn't much of an improvement. I
have since moved on to several good routers, one of which is an HF Plunge
( since I don't use that feature very often).. You might check Craig List
,under Routers and see the rather large number that are for sale. Must be a
reason for that !

On the flip side you have mentioned in another post that you need it pretty
quick! You have see that the HF unit is " On Backorder" My S.I.L. has the
fairly inexpensive Ryobi, to remodel their house and seems pretty content
with that one. Sparky 01


Michael Dobony" wrote in message
...
I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended warranty on
HF for about the same price as the Sears.

?
"David Nebenzahl" wrote
That's much different from my experience with Sears routers. However, I
got my Craftsman router in, hmm, lessee, about 1975, used from another
woodworker,

Sears tools from 1975 were still real tools. Today, the low end stuff is
crap. Please, don't even think about a comparison as there is none.

Getting back to the original post, my choice of the two the OP is suggesting
is neither. Unless it is for a simple quick and dirty job where accuracy is
not needed, they may get you by. If you are looking to do serious work, you
want a good table with a good router, and they don't come cheap.

If you want quality tools, check out www.coastaltool.com and
www.woodcraft.com for ideas.

Want to learn to use a router? go to www.patwarner.com This guy is
probably the best in the world for routing.

On 1/19/2011 8:42 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/19/2011 5:33 PM Jon Danniken spake thus:

Michael Dobony wrote:

I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1


My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended
warranty on HF for about the same price as the Sears.

I have never owned a Sears router that didn't break with after light
usage. Every one of them (I'm on the fourth one now) has had whatever
mechanism used on that model which locks the shaft when you tighten
the collet break in one way or another.

If you want a Sears router, buy one at a pawn shop, and expect it to
go tits up when you are in the middle of a project. At least you won't
be out the retail price.

If you are going to pay retail for a router, get a decent (AKA not a
Sears) one and be done with it.

That's much different from my experience with Sears routers. However, I
got my Craftsman router in, hmm, lessee, about 1975,

Yeah well, Black and Decker wasn't made in China either in the 70's, and
look where they are now. You can't judge a current product on it's past
made in the USA reputation. They are completely different.

No tool (I know of) made in China is great, but many are very
serviceable.

Jeff




used from another
woodworker, and since then I've only had to replace the power switch.
Granted, it's not the world's greatest router, and I've never done
production work with it, but it works now, more than 35 years later, as
well as it did when I bought it. It's fine for small jobs.

Newer Crapsman may be more, well, crappy. Can't say for sure.

As for the HF router, that is one of the few HF tools I would NOT
consider taking a chance with (and I have a bunch of HF tools).

Same here. I guess I might buy one from HF if I absolutely needed it
*that day*, but otherwise, no.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:42:52 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 1/19/2011 5:33 PM Jon Danniken spake thus:

Michael Dobony wrote:

I am looking at the following router and table, any comments on it?

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...block Type=G1

My other alternative is a Harbor Freight router/shaper

http://www.harborfreight.com/router-...ter-95380.html

Between the 2 my thought is Sears, but I can add the extended
warranty on HF for about the same price as the Sears.

I have never owned a Sears router that didn't break with after light usage.
Every one of them (I'm on the fourth one now) has had whatever mechanism
used on that model which locks the shaft when you tighten the collet break
in one way or another.

Why did you buy a *fourth* when three were crappy? Why did you buy the third,
when...

If you want a Sears router, buy one at a pawn shop, and expect it to go tits
up when you are in the middle of a project. At least you won't be out the
retail price.

If you are going to pay retail for a router, get a decent (AKA not a Sears)
one and be done with it.

That's much different from my experience with Sears routers. However, I
got my Craftsman router in, hmm, lessee, about 1975, used from another
woodworker, and since then I've only had to replace the power switch.
Granted, it's not the world's greatest router, and I've never done
production work with it, but it works now, more than 35 years later, as
well as it did when I bought it. It's fine for small jobs.

Crapsman tools are generally terrible. A few are decent, basically rebranded
reasonably quality tools, but no bargain. Stay away from Crapsman!

I had a Crapsman router from about '75, too. Absolute junk! Do yourself a
favor and buy a decent one.

Newer Crapsman may be more, well, crappy. Can't say for sure.

As for the HF router, that is one of the few HF tools I would NOT consider
taking a chance with (and I have a bunch of HF tools).

Same here. I guess I might buy one from HF if I absolutely needed it
*that day*, but otherwise, no.

Those benchtop tables are pretty lame.