Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his parents
then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan? Here is
the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. Now here comes the but -


"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the flotilla
were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal emerges to
end the United Nations inquiry and other international legal
actions."


Oh, is that all?


Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of
which the Zionist entity exists - as happened in the 1967 USS Liberty
incident. And as for expressing sorrow, this does not extend to
holding the murderers accountable for their crimes in an
international
court of law, instead, the men who boarded a ship in the fashion of
pirates shooting at their victims with automatic machine guns are to
be portrayed as acting in self-defence.


Are these Israeli officials the same ones who distributed a video
parody of the Michael Jackson song "Heal The World" which portrayed
the victims as terrorists, and mocked them, including the nine men
the
Israeli commandoes murdered?


Probably, as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. But the time
has come to say enough is enough; this crime against the world on the
high seas must not be permitted to go unpunished, as the Gaza
Massacre
almost certainly will.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/wo.../12israel.html

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:31:15 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his parents
then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan?

That was a joke meant to illustrate the meaning of the word chutzpah,
nerve, gall.

Here is
the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. Now here comes the but -


"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the flotilla
were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal emerges to
end the United Nations inquiry and other international legal
actions."

You're right. They shouldn't pay any money at all. The people trying
to break the blockade came with weapons, intending to fight. Israel
didn't expect that, thought they were "peace activists", and wasn't
ready with mob suppression methods, and ended up using guns when their
sailors were threatened. You do remember that early on one of them
was knocked off the deck to the deck below, right.

The attempted blockade runners should be expressing sorrow to him, and
paying him compensation.

Oh, is that all?


Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of
which the Zionist entity exists

You can be sure that anyone who calls it the Zionsist entity is
anti-Israel no matter what Israel does, and an antisemite too.

- as happened in the 1967 USS Liberty
incident. And as for expressing sorrow, this does not extend to
holding the murderers accountable for their crimes in an
international
court of law,

That's correct. The Turkish and other attackers, including a few
Americans, on the Turkish ship have not been held accountable.

instead, the men who boarded a ship in the fashion of
pirates shooting at their victims with automatic machine guns are to
be portrayed as acting in self-defence.

Only fools would try to run a publicly announced blockades. Only damn
fools would try to run it when they were intercepted by those
maintaining the blockade. Plus those who weren't there to deliver
anything but who wanted a violent incident and were ready to kill and
get some of their own people killed. You can bet that no one who
organized the project in Turkey was in any danger.

Are these Israeli officials the same ones who distributed a video
parody of the Michael Jackson song "Heal The World" which portrayed
the victims as terrorists, and mocked them, including the nine men
the Israeli commandoes murdered?


Probably, as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. But the time
has come to say enough is enough; this crime against the world on the
high seas must not be permitted to go unpunished, as the Gaza
Massacre
almost certainly will.

Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza years ago, but instead of taking
advantage of self-rule, and trying to live peacefully with Israel,
without even a break from before Israel withdrew, Gazans and
especially Hamas continued their policy of sending rockets and mortars
into Israel, 11,000 of them since Israel withdrew, and then when
Israel acts in self-defense, including the blockad, the Gazans whine,
like you whine, about how oppressed they are. That's true gall,
nerve, and chutzpah. Your opening analogy is apt.

Gaza will get nothing but more suffering until it abandons its attacks
against Israel. But the Arabs near Israel have never missed an
opportunity to miss an opportunity. Their leaders embezzle the money
they are given by Europeans etc. and send their wives to life in
luxury in places like Paris (Arafat's wife) while the leaders who
didn't embezzle enough to make them happy go to Paris to beg for some
of the money that Arafat embezzled. If he and the Gazan "leaders" had
spent the money on the Arabs he claimed to represent, as the Europeans
intended, there would have been hospitals, schools, roads, electric
generating plants, desalinization plants. Instead Gaza depends on
Israel for water and electricity and just about everything else.

BTW, food and medicine etc. was never blockaded by land, but cement
and building materials which they use to for anti-Israel miliary
reasons were and continue to be.

Egypt learned; Jordan learned; eventually Gazans and Arabs on the West
Bank will learn, that it's better to make peace than to continue at
war. The problme is that their leaders spend some of the money they
get on war, while stealing the rest, with little left over for the
residents to see the advantage that real peace would bring.

Now, stop spamming this group and post on topic, home repair.

On 12/12/2010 5:16 AM, Bubba wrote:
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:31:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his parents
then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan?

That was a joke meant to illustrate the meaning of the word chutzpah,
nerve, gall.

Here is
the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. Now here comes the but -


"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the flotilla
were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal emerges to
end the United Nations inquiry and other international legal
actions."

You're right. They shouldn't pay any money at all. The people trying
to break the blockade came with weapons, intending to fight. Israel
didn't expect that, thought they were "peace activists", and wasn't
ready with mob suppression methods, and ended up using guns when their
sailors were threatened. You do remember that early on one of them
was knocked off the deck to the deck below, right.

The attempted blockade runners should be expressing sorrow to him, and
paying him compensation.

Oh, is that all?


Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of
which the Zionist entity exists

You can be sure that anyone who calls it the Zionsist entity is
anti-Israel no matter what Israel does, and an antisemite too.

- as happened in the 1967 USS Liberty
incident. And as for expressing sorrow, this does not extend to
holding the murderers accountable for their crimes in an
international
court of law,

That's correct. The Turkish and other attackers, including a few
Americans, on the Turkish ship have not been held accountable.

instead, the men who boarded a ship in the fashion of
pirates shooting at their victims with automatic machine guns are to
be portrayed as acting in self-defence.

Only fools would try to run a publicly announced blockades. Only damn
fools would try to run it when they were intercepted by those
maintaining the blockade. Plus those who weren't there to deliver
anything but who wanted a violent incident and were ready to kill and
get some of their own people killed. You can bet that no one who
organized the project in Turkey was in any danger.

Are these Israeli officials the same ones who distributed a video
parody of the Michael Jackson song "Heal The World" which portrayed
the victims as terrorists, and mocked them, including the nine men
the Israeli commandoes murdered?


Probably, as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. But the time
has come to say enough is enough; this crime against the world on the
high seas must not be permitted to go unpunished, as the Gaza
Massacre
almost certainly will.

Israel withdrew entirely from Gaza years ago, but instead of taking
advantage of self-rule, and trying to live peacefully with Israel,
without even a break from before Israel withdrew, Gazans and
especially Hamas continued their policy of sending rockets and mortars
into Israel, 11,000 of them since Israel withdrew, and then when
Israel acts in self-defense, including the blockad, the Gazans whine,
like you whine, about how oppressed they are. That's true gall,
nerve, and chutzpah. Your opening analogy is apt.

Gaza will get nothing but more suffering until it abandons its attacks
against Israel. But the Arabs near Israel have never missed an
opportunity to miss an opportunity. Their leaders embezzle the money
they are given by Europeans etc. and send their wives to life in
luxury in places like Paris (Arafat's wife) while the leaders who
didn't embezzle enough to make them happy go to Paris to beg for some
of the money that Arafat embezzled. If he and the Gazan "leaders" had
spent the money on the Arabs he claimed to represent, as the Europeans
intended, there would have been hospitals, schools, roads, electric
generating plants, desalinization plants. Instead Gaza depends on
Israel for water and electricity and just about everything else.

BTW, food and medicine etc. was never blockaded by land, but cement
and building materials which they use to for anti-Israel miliary
reasons were and continue to be.

Egypt learned; Jordan learned; eventually Gazans and Arabs on the West
Bank will learn, that it's better to make peace than to continue at
war. The problme is that their leaders spend some of the money they
get on war, while stealing the rest, with little left over for the
residents to see the advantage that real peace would bring.

Now, stop spamming this group and post on topic, home repair.

Oh my God! Those Gazans remind me of Democrats! :-)

TDD

Oh give it up already.

--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On 12/12/2010 4:31 AM, harry wrote:
Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his parents
then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan? Here is
the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. Now here comes the but -


"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the flotilla
were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal emerges to
end the United Nations inquiry and other international legal
actions."


Oh, is that all?


Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of
which the Zionist entity exists - as happened in the 1967 USS Liberty
incident. And as for expressing sorrow, this does not extend to
holding the murderers accountable for their crimes in an
international
court of law, instead, the men who boarded a ship in the fashion of
pirates shooting at their victims with automatic machine guns are to
be portrayed as acting in self-defence.


Are these Israeli officials the same ones who distributed a video
parody of the Michael Jackson song "Heal The World" which portrayed
the victims as terrorists, and mocked them, including the nine men
the
Israeli commandoes murdered?


Probably, as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. But the time
has come to say enough is enough; this crime against the world on the
high seas must not be permitted to go unpunished, as the Gaza
Massacre
almost certainly will.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/wo.../12israel.html



Harry,

It takes a real jerk to expound on a home repair newsgroup the way you
do. Why not keep your obnoxious personal biases to yourself, or at least
publish them in a place where they belong. I will show you no respect
since your type of posting shows no respect for this group.

On Dec 12, 12:02*pm, Smarty wrote:
On 12/12/2010 4:31 AM, harry wrote:

snip

Harry,

It takes a real jerk to expound on a home repair newsgroup the way you
do. Why not keep your obnoxious personal biases to yourself, or at least
publish them in a place where they belong. I will show you no respect
since your type of posting shows no respect for this group.

Totally agree. Please, Harry, go away and allow us to discuss topics
of mutual interest like improving the houses we live in and helping
people with problems relating to that topic.

Joe

harry wrote:

Oh, is that all?

It better be,troll.

Smarty wrote:

It takes a real jerk to expound on a home repair newsgroup the way you
do. Why not keep your obnoxious personal biases to yourself, or at least
publish them in a place where they belong. I will show you no respect
since your type of posting shows no respect for this group.

+1

The Daring Dufas wrote:

Oh my God! Those Gazans remind me of Democrats! :-)


And you re-posted the entire diatribe. Snip the BS next time PLS.

On 12/12/2010 3:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring wrote:

Oh my God! Those Gazans remind me of Democrats! :-)


And you re-posted the entire diatribe. Snip the BS next time PLS.


I'm sorry, did it hurt your eyes? :-)

TDD

On 12/12/2010 3:16 AM Bubba spake thus:

On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 01:31:15 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his
parents then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an
orphan?

That was a joke meant to illustrate the meaning of the word chutzpah,
nerve, gall.

Here is the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. Now here comes the but -

"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the
flotilla were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal
emerges to end the United Nations inquiry and other international
legal actions."

You're right. They shouldn't pay any money at all. The people trying
to break the blockade came with weapons, intending to fight. Israel
didn't expect that, thought they were "peace activists", and wasn't
ready with mob suppression methods, and ended up using guns when their
sailors were threatened. You do remember that early on one of them
was knocked off the deck to the deck below, right.

The attempted blockade runners should be expressing sorrow to him, and
paying him compensation.

Oh, puh-leeze, what utter HORSE****!

Oh, is that all?

Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of which the Zionist entity exists

You can be sure that anyone who calls it the Zionsist entity is
anti-Israel no matter what Israel does, and an antisemite too.

Harry's got it right this time. Israel *is* a Zionist
project--something, by the way, that many Israelis find objectionable.

Israel should not exist in its present form. In that sense I'm anti-Israel.

Oh, and don't try that "anti-Semite" stuff on me, pal; I'm a Jew.


--
Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.

On Dec 12, 6:02*pm, Smarty wrote:
On 12/12/2010 4:31 AM, harry wrote:



Remember that old joke about the Jewish kid who murdered his parents
then asked for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan? Here is
the real life version.

Israeli officials say they are willing to pay compensation to the
families of the Gaza Flotilla victims, and express sorrow over what
happened. *Now here comes the but -

"They want it spelled out that the commandos who boarded the flotilla
were acting in self-defense. And they want whatever deal emerges to
end the United Nations inquiry and other international legal
actions."

Oh, is that all?

Any compensation will of course be paid for out of US aid - by dint
of
which the Zionist entity exists - as happened in the 1967 USS Liberty
incident. And as for expressing sorrow, *this does not extend to
holding the murderers accountable for their crimes in an
international
court of law, instead, the men who boarded a ship in the fashion of
pirates shooting at their victims with *automatic machine guns are to
be portrayed as acting in self-defence.

Are these Israeli officials the same ones who distributed a video
parody of the Michael Jackson song "Heal The World" which portrayed
the victims as terrorists, and mocked them, including the nine men
the
Israeli commandoes murdered?

Probably, as the saying goes, you couldn't make it up. But the time
has come to say enough is enough; this crime against the world on the
high seas must not be permitted to go unpunished, as the Gaza
Massacre
almost certainly will.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/wo.../12israel.html

Harry,

It takes a real jerk to expound on a home repair newsgroup the way you
do. Why not keep your obnoxious personal biases to yourself, or at least
publish them in a place where they belong. I will show you no respect
since your type of posting shows no respect for this group.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ever thought it that it all might be true? Ostrich.

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Harry's got it right this time. Israel *is* a Zionist
project--something, by the way, that many Israelis find objectionable.

Israel should not exist in its present form. In that sense I'm
anti-Israel.
Oh, and don't try that "anti-Semite" stuff on me, pal; I'm a Jew.

There are many Jews in Israel who feel the same way. They consider the state
of Israel to be at variance with the long-held belief that only the Messiah
can establish God's kingdom on earth. They even go so far as to refuse using
postage stamps printed by the government!

They are kooks. Religious kooks to be sure, but loons nevertheless.

There is no reason for you to feel lonely - you have significant company.

On Dec 12, 4:13*pm, G. Morgan wrote:
Smarty wrote:
It takes a real jerk to expound on a home repair newsgroup the way you
do. Why not keep your obnoxious personal biases to yourself, or at least
publish them in a place where they belong. I will show you no respect
since your type of posting shows no respect for this group.

+1

Count me in too. I can see someone starting an off topic post once
in a while that
might be of interest to regulars here. But daily posting of off topic
anti-American or
anti-semitic crap is clearly harry's main activity here.

As for the situation in question, it's clear what really happened and
Bubba hit the
nail on the head. Those "peace" activists came armed and proceeded
to try to
run a naval blockade that they knew was there. They then instigated
the violence that
broke out.

The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/12/2010 3:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring wrote:

Oh my God! Those Gazans remind me of Democrats! :-)


And you re-posted the entire diatribe. Snip the BS next time PLS.


I'm sorry, did it hurt your eyes? :-)



My scrolling finger!

On 12/13/2010 8:30 AM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring wrote:

On 12/12/2010 3:14 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
The Daring wrote:

Oh my God! Those Gazans remind me of Democrats! :-)


And you re-posted the entire diatribe. Snip the BS next time PLS.


I'm sorry, did it hurt your eyes? :-)



My scrolling finger!


Yea, I know what you mean. I'll have to think of others when I post
something and do the appropriate clipping. I had a flareup of my
joints last week and I couldn't have pinched a cute girl's bottom
with my right hand even if she held still long enough. :-)

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:


Yea, I know what you mean. I'll have to think of others when I post
something and do the appropriate clipping. I had a flareup of my
joints last week and I couldn't have pinched a cute girl's bottom
with my right hand even if she held still long enough. :-)


Bummer dude!

wrote:

As for the situation in question, it's clear what really happened and
Bubba hit the
nail on the head. Those "peace" activists came armed

With knives and clubs. Only wielded, when the craft was boarded by men with
machine guns (in International waters). Maritime law gives the Turks a right to
defend their vessel.

and proceeded
to try to
run a naval blockade that they knew was there. They then instigated
the violence that
broke out.

They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. In fact, there should be a
full investigation. Do you think Israel would attack a US ship going through
the blockade to deliver humanitarian supplies?

G. Morgan wrote:
wrote:

As for the situation in question, it's clear what really happened and
Bubba hit the
nail on the head. Those "peace" activists came armed

With knives and clubs. Only wielded, when the craft was boarded by
men with machine guns (in International waters). Maritime law gives
the Turks a right to defend their vessel.


The boarders did not carry machine guns. In fact, the only weapons they
carried were sidearms.


They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. In fact, there
should be a full investigation. Do you think Israel would attack a
US ship going through the blockade to deliver humanitarian supplies?

Yes.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I had a flareup of my joints last week

I wondered if you often post while stoned, that explains a lot. Maybe try
smoking just *one* joint before going online....

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...cteNvrzIkEYxmw

Israel says it seized Iranian arms shipment for Hezbollah
By David Buimovitch (AFP) €“ Nov 4, 2009

ASHDOD, Israel €” Israel said on Wednesday that commandos had intercepted a
ship carrying "hundreds of tonnes" of arms from Iran to Hezbollah in a raid
dozens of miles off its coast but both Iran and Syria denied the cargo was
headed to the Lebanese militia.

"We found dozens of containers, with hundreds of tonnes of arms bound for
Hezbollah from Iran," Israeli deputy naval commander Rani Ben Yehuda told
reporters.

The shipment was among the largest ever seized by Israel, dwarfing the 50
tonnes of weapons found aboard the Karine A seized in 2002 on its way to
Gaza, which dealt a major blow to relations between the Palestinians and
Washington.

At the Mediterranean port of Ashdod, soldiers pulled hundreds of olive-green
ammunition crates from shipping containers, many of them concealed by sacks
of cement.

They were then divided into huge stacks of rockets of various sizes, mortar
rounds, hand grenades and ammunition for AK-47 rifles. Many of the weapons
crates had inscriptions in Spanish, Chinese and English.

The military had earlier announced that it had seized the 137-metre
(450-foot) Antigua-flagged vessel Francop before dawn around 100 nautical
miles from the Israeli coast.

Ben Yehuda said the captain of the ship was unaware of the contents of his
cargo and had agreed to allow Israeli forces to board and inspect his ship.

He said the cargo manifest for the seized crates indicated they were headed
from Iran to Syria, but Israel offered no direct proof to implicate Iran or
Hezbollah, and the Lebanese group declined to comment on the incident.

Both Iran and Syria rejected Israel's accusations about the ship's
destination and direction of passage.

At a joint news conference with his visiting Syrian counterpart Walid
Muallem, Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki dismissed the
allegations out of hand, the state-run English-language broadcaster Press TV
reported on its website.

Muallem echoed the denial. "The ship was not carrying Iranian-made weaponry
for Syria or Lebanon" but was in fact carrying Syrian-made items for
consumption in Iran, the website quoted the Syrian minister as saying.

Iran and Syria are the main foreign backers of the Shiite militant group
Hezbollah but both deny that they provide anything other than moral support.

A UN Security Council resolution which brought an end to the devastating
2006 war between Hezbollah and Israel demanded the disarmament of all
militias in Lebanon and imposed a ban on all arms exports to them.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the arms seized were "further
proof, if any is needed, that Iran is continuing to provide weapons to
terrorist organisations that want to strike Israeli towns and villages and
kill civilians."

"It is high time the international community put pressure on Iran to stop
its criminal actions and backed Israel when it defends itself," he added as
the UN General Assembly prepared to discuss a report deeply critical of both
Israel and Palestinian militants' conduct of the Gaza war at the turn of the
year.

Defence Minister Ehud Barak said the ship was captured "near Cyprus,"
without elaborating on whether it was in Cypriot or international waters at
the time.

Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that the ship set out from Iran and
later docked in Yemen and Sudan before passing through the Suez Canal en
route to either Syria or Lebanon.

Israel has long accused arch-foes Syria and Iran of supplying weapons to
Hezbollah and to Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip, which has been
ruled by the Islamist Hamas movement since June 2007.

Israel has in the past seized shipments of weapons allegedly bound for Gaza,
and on January 3, 2002, at the height of a Palestinian uprising, Israel
intercepted the Karine A in the Red Sea where it was bound for Gaza.

The late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat admitted responsibility for the
smuggling attempt, and the affair eroded his standing with Washington.

On 12/13/2010 11:46 AM, DGDevin wrote:


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I had a flareup of my joints last week

I wondered if you often post while stoned, that explains a lot. Maybe
try smoking just *one* joint before going online....

Hate to burst your bubble but I've never smoked anything legal or
illegal in my life except for that first 9 moth period then I was
born. I went cold turkey on cigarettes at the age of one day. That's
why I'm deathly allergic to tobacco smoke, it's like tear gas to me,
it's the same thing with pot smoke. Back in my damn hippie freak college
student days, I was the permanently designated driver because
I was the only one around who had control of his senses. Taking my
stoned friends for a ride at night was an entertaining experience,
especially on a crowded freeway. :-)

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Hate to burst your bubble but I've never smoked anything legal or illegal
in my life

Leapin' Lizards, you mean you're this delusional when you're *straight*?
Yikes.

On 12/13/2010 5:02 PM, DGDevin wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Hate to burst your bubble but I've never smoked anything legal or
illegal in my life

Leapin' Lizards, you mean you're this delusional when you're *straight*?
Yikes.

Only when trolling Liberals, Leftists, Commiecrats and complete retards
like you. :-)

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Hate to burst your bubble but I've never smoked anything legal or
illegal in my life

Leapin' Lizards, you mean you're this delusional when you're *straight*?
Yikes.

Only when trolling Liberals, Leftists, Commiecrats and complete retards
like you. :-)

Ooooooh, so you're only *pretending* to be an ill-informed,
propaganda-swallowing Dittohead. What a sly old scamp you are!

On 12/13/2010 8:11 PM, DGDevin wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Hate to burst your bubble but I've never smoked anything legal or
illegal in my life

Leapin' Lizards, you mean you're this delusional when you're *straight*?
Yikes.

Only when trolling Liberals, Leftists, Commiecrats and complete retards
like you. :-)

Ooooooh, so you're only *pretending* to be an ill-informed,
propaganda-swallowing Dittohead. What a sly old scamp you are!

Absolutely, we had a senator some years back named Howell Heflin
who is probably singularly responsible for leading everyone in
the country to believe that people from Alabamastan were hicks.
He was a very smart man and a Democrat who bamboozled those Damn
Yankees for years. Don't make assumptions kid, I'm not a Republican,
Republicans disgust me but Democrats are special, they horrify me.
I haven't listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast in years so you
can take your dittos and snort them. You funny man! ROTFLMAO

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...


Ooooooh, so you're only *pretending* to be an ill-informed,
propaganda-swallowing Dittohead. What a sly old scamp you are!

Absolutely, we had a senator some years back named Howell Heflin
who is probably singularly responsible for leading everyone in
the country to believe that people from Alabamastan were hicks.
He was a very smart man and a Democrat who bamboozled those Damn
Yankees for years. Don't make assumptions kid, I'm not a Republican,
Republicans disgust me but Democrats are special, they horrify me.
I haven't listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast in years so you
can take your dittos and snort them. You funny man! ROTFLMAO

Interesting, and yet you do such a cunning impression of someone who takes
Fox and Newsmax and Limbaugh seriously. You're wasting yourself on Usenet,
Hollywood is crying out for actors of your caliber.

The only thing I snort is the occasional antihistamine, although I do like a
nice pint of ale or a glass of the grape. Okay, I'm partial to an
occasional single malt as well, weekend evenings on the veranda. Nothing
snortable however, I don't want to end up in rehab like some disgraced
Republican member of Congress who blames it all on being under the
influence.

On 12/13/2010 8:35 PM, DGDevin wrote:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...


Ooooooh, so you're only *pretending* to be an ill-informed,
propaganda-swallowing Dittohead. What a sly old scamp you are!

Absolutely, we had a senator some years back named Howell Heflin
who is probably singularly responsible for leading everyone in
the country to believe that people from Alabamastan were hicks.
He was a very smart man and a Democrat who bamboozled those Damn
Yankees for years. Don't make assumptions kid, I'm not a Republican,
Republicans disgust me but Democrats are special, they horrify me.
I haven't listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast in years so you
can take your dittos and snort them. You funny man! ROTFLMAO

Interesting, and yet you do such a cunning impression of someone who
takes Fox and Newsmax and Limbaugh seriously. You're wasting yourself on
Usenet, Hollywood is crying out for actors of your caliber.

The only thing I snort is the occasional antihistamine, although I do
like a nice pint of ale or a glass of the grape. Okay, I'm partial to an
occasional single malt as well, weekend evenings on the veranda. Nothing
snortable however, I don't want to end up in rehab like some disgraced
Republican member of Congress who blames it all on being under the
influence.

I just had to snort some nasal spray and I'm still weak from the walking
pneumonia I had for more than a month. I'm swilling some
Mountain Dew right now, (diet, I have to watch my figure) and I'm
contemplating whether or not to cook some comfort food to get me
through the miserable cold snap we're having right now. 16°F is
the expected low tonight. No alcohol for me, in fact never. All
my contemporary damn hippie freak fellow college student friends
from four decades ago thought I was weird because I never partook
of any of the recreational chemicals they were so fond of. It was
very entertaining for me to watch over them and keep them from
driving, I lost too many of them when they did. I do have the
advantage over many of them now, I can embarrass them in front
of their descendants. "Grandma took off her what and did what with
it at that concert?!!" :-)

TDD

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/13/2010 8:11 PM, DGDevin wrote:

I haven't listened to a Rush Limbaugh broadcast in years so you
can take your dittos and snort them. You funny man! ROTFLMAO

TDD

In my youth, I never got around to reading Ayn Rand. Now that I am in
my dotage, I can't. I have defend myself against statements that are
similar to those about Rush (who I long ago thought was a blowhard.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Dec 13, 6:35*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" *wrote in ...

[...]

Interesting, and yet you do such a cunning impression of someone who takes
Fox and Newsmax and Limbaugh seriously. *You're wasting yourself on Usenet,
Hollywood is crying out for actors of your caliber.

Heah, heah!

[...]

I don't want to end up in rehab like some disgraced
Republican member of Congress who blames it all on being under the
influence.

Or who blames it all on his "wide stance" in the men's room. AFAIK,
Larry Craig is still in Congress, along with the other closeted
persons of his persuasion, who continue to "interact" with young
interns, pages, and such. See http://www.slate.com/id/2176870/

Fortunately a few -- a very few -- do end up in the slammer -- or
rather a comfy "Club Fed". Like the once-powerful "Hammer" -- Tom
Delay -- who finds it "very disappointing" that he's finally going to
jail for his crimes. Aw, Tom -- when you get out, you can still go
back to pushing toxic pesticides, because your "friends" might still
be running Congress -- heaven help us all. Or -- maybe you can get re-
elected to Congress! Look at what's in there now on the mad dog
Republican side.
Lists have been compiled on the Members (snicker) found to have been
committing sexual, uh, improprieties. Interesting that these are
heavily weighted toward the Republican side.

(Full disclosu I am an Independent, but I'm not fast asleep!)

Here's some back story on the "Hammer".

" Before he ran for public office, Tom DeLay was in the pesticide
business. In that business, he came face-to-face with “big government
interference,” when the Environmental Protection Agency told him that
he could no longer sell or use such pesticides as DDT. This
regulation, the result of many years and millions of dollars of
government sponsored scientific research, benefited song birds, birds
of prey, and oh yes, young children and other vulnerable critters. At
the same time, this “big government decree” was a damned nuisance to
the chemical industry and to pest controllers such as DeLay, who came
to refer to the EPA as a “Gestapo.”.
What business is it of “big government” to tell Tom DeLay that he
can’t poison his neighbors and the ecosystem, as he goes about his
business of eliminating “pests”?"

QED.

HP

On Dec 13, 11:46*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
G. Morgan wrote:
wrote:

As for the situation in question, it's clear what really happened and
Bubba hit the
nail on the head. * Those "peace" activists came armed

With knives and clubs. Only wielded, when the craft was boarded by
men with machine guns (in International waters). *Maritime law gives
the Turks a right to defend their vessel.

The boarders did not carry machine guns. In fact, the only weapons they
carried were sidearms.



They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. *In fact, there
should be a full investigation. *Do you think Israel would attack a
US ship going through the blockade to deliver humanitarian supplies?

Yes.

+1

I suppose GM thinks Israel is supposed to be clairvoyant and know
exactly what is on
that ship. Food not rockets and bombs,. How about the US intercepting
boats suspected
of carrying drugs whilein international waters? Aren't we routinely
doing that to protect the
USA?

On Dec 14, 7:36*pm, wrote:
On Dec 13, 11:46*am, "HeyBub" wrote:





G. Morgan wrote:
wrote:

As for the situation in question, it's clear what really happened and
Bubba hit the
nail on the head. * Those "peace" activists came armed

With knives and clubs. Only wielded, when the craft was boarded by
men with machine guns (in International waters). *Maritime law gives
the Turks a right to defend their vessel.

The boarders did not carry machine guns. In fact, the only weapons they
carried were sidearms.

They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. *In fact, there
should be a full investigation. *Do you think Israel would attack a
US ship going through the blockade to deliver humanitarian supplies?

Yes.

+1

I suppose GM thinks Israel is supposed to be clairvoyant and know
exactly what is on
that ship. *Food not rockets and bombs,. How about the US intercepting
boats suspected
*of carrying drugs whilein international waters? *Aren't we routinely
doing that to protect the
*USA?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

harry wrote:

The boarders did not carry machine guns. In fact, the only weapons
they carried were sidearms.

They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. In fact, there
should be a full investigation. Do you think Israel would attack a
US ship going through the blockade to deliver humanitarian
supplies?

Yes.

+1

I suppose GM thinks Israel is supposed to be clairvoyant and know
exactly what is on
that ship. Food not rockets and bombs,. How about the US intercepting
boats suspected
of carrying drugs whilein international waters? Aren't we routinely
doing that to protect the
USA?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

By international admiralty law, certain cargos are contraband - that is,
illegal per se - and, with proper suspicion, can be be checked by any
maritime force.

EVERY ship, when it leaves port, has a declared destination and a cargo
manifest. This is public record. Any ship deviating from these declared
statements forfeits its insurance. When a ship asserts a suspicious
situation - cargo or destination - or deviates from its supposed route, is
asking to be boarded by anybody with any interest in the reasons the ship
might have.

On Dec 15, 12:54*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
harry wrote:

The boarders did not carry machine guns. In fact, the only weapons
they carried were sidearms.

They were bringing food and medicine, not weapons. In fact, there
should be a full investigation. Do you think Israel would attack a
US ship going through the blockade to deliver humanitarian
supplies?

Yes.

+1

I suppose GM thinks Israel is supposed to be clairvoyant and know
exactly what is on
that ship. Food not rockets and bombs,. How about the US intercepting
boats suspected
of carrying drugs whilein international waters? Aren't we routinely
doing that to protect the
USA?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

By international admiralty law, certain cargos are contraband - that is,
illegal per se - and, with proper suspicion, can be be checked by any
maritime force.

EVERY ship, when it leaves port, has a declared destination and a cargo
manifest. This is public record. Any ship deviating from these declared
statements forfeits its insurance. When a ship asserts a suspicious
situation - cargo or destination - or deviates from its supposed route, is
asking to be boarded by anybody with any interest in the reasons the ship
might have.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not true.

On 12/13/2010 9:46 AM DGDevin spake thus:

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I had a flareup of my joints last week

I wondered if you often post while stoned, that explains a lot. Maybe try
smoking just *one* joint before going online....

Reminds me of the Friday 5:00 "anthem" on local (SF) radio station KFOG:

I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
And then I smoke two more ...


--
Comment on quaint Usenet customs, from Usenet:

To me, the *plonk...* reminds me of the old man at the public hearing
who stands to make his point, then removes his hearing aid as a sign
that he is not going to hear any rebuttals.

"harry" wrote in message
...

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

International law recognizes a state's right to conduct a blockade to
prevent contraband in the form of arms from reaching an enemy, and sure as
hell Hamas qualifies as an enemy. Goods not of military value are supposed
to be exempt, but the Allies blockaded even food from reaching Germany in
the World Wars. Considering that late in 2009 the Israelis intercepted a
ship carrying hundreds of tons are arms to Hezbollah, they would seem to be
justified in at the very least stopping and inspecting ships bound for Gaza.
That isn't a blanket endorsement of Israeli policies, sooner or later
they're going to have to stop building settlements and deal diplomatically
with Hamas whether they like it or not. But until Hamas agrees to recognize
that Israel has a right to exist and keeps launching rockets into Israel, I
think the Israelis are entitled to prevent Hamas from importing more arms.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

By international admiralty law, certain cargos are contraband - that is,
illegal per se - and, with proper suspicion, can be be checked by any
maritime force.

Not really, there has to be a declared blockade and only the belligerent
state involved gets to stop ships and seize goods of military value to the
enemy.

On Dec 15, 10:30*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"harry" *wrote in message

...

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

International law recognizes a state's right to conduct a blockade to
prevent contraband in the form of arms from reaching an enemy, and sure as
hell Hamas qualifies as an enemy. *Goods not of military value are supposed
to be exempt, but the Allies blockaded even food from reaching Germany in
the World Wars. *Considering that late in 2009 the Israelis intercepted a
ship carrying hundreds of tons are arms to Hezbollah, they would seem to be
justified in at the very least stopping and inspecting ships bound for Gaza.
That isn't a blanket endorsement of Israeli policies, sooner or later
they're going to have to stop building settlements and deal diplomatically
with Hamas whether they like it or not. *But until Hamas agrees to recognize
that Israel has a right to exist and keeps launching rockets into Israel, I
think the Israelis are entitled to prevent Hamas from importing more arms..

I see. When was war declared? Hamas was elected. But then being
democratically elected never stopped the uS or it's allies toppling a
gov. in the past.
If no war has been declared, there is no enemy, therefore we are back
to piracy.

"harry" wrote in message news:c2dfeefe-1e8c-4213-a1f9-

stuff snipped

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

Patently false. Where'd you learn admirality law, Harry? They owe you a
refund. Admiralty law is exceedingly complex and admiralty lawyers are
among the most specialized in the world. Maritime law has to "equalize" the
laws of every seagoing nation to the extent that it can and the treaties,
exceptions, counter-exceptions and rights are mind-boggling.

This simple search will show you that seizures in international waters
happen all the time:

http://www.google.com/search?q=coast...ion al+waters

You see too many movies Harry, and seem unfamiliar with the workings of the
real world as a result.

In this case the Israelis had every reason to believe the ship was headed
for an Israeli port, despite being warned it was not welcome. From the
little I know of maritime law, the aid ship's clear intent on sailing into
Israeli waters greatly diminished its rights to be "left alone" particularly
if the Israelis had a reason to believe there was military hardware on
board.

Fortunately, the ship did have an effect and loosened the blockade to some
extent. Israel's between a rock and a hard place and so much of it comes
from the British mucking up Palestine the way they did Africa, Asia,
Australia, America and more. It's hard to be surrounded by people that want
you dead.

--
Bobby G.

On Dec 16, 11:26*am, "Robert Green"
wrote:
"harry" wrote in message news:c2dfeefe-1e8c-4213-a1f9-

stuff snipped

None of their business what's on any ship in international waters.

Patently false. *Where'd you learn admirality law, Harry? *They owe you a
refund. *Admiralty law is exceedingly complex and admiralty lawyers are
among the most specialized in the world. *Maritime law has to "equalize" the
laws of every seagoing nation to the extent that it can and the treaties,
exceptions, counter-exceptions and rights are mind-boggling.

This simple search will show you that seizures in international waters
happen all the time:

http://www.google.com/search?q=coast...ls+in+internat....

You see too many movies Harry, and seem unfamiliar with the workings of the
real world as a result.

In this case the Israelis had every reason to believe the ship was headed
for an Israeli port, despite being warned it was not welcome. *From the
little I know of maritime law, the aid ship's clear intent on sailing into
Israeli waters greatly diminished its rights to be "left alone" particularly
if the Israelis had a reason to believe there was military hardware on
board.

Fortunately, the ship did have an effect and loosened the blockade to some
extent. *Israel's between a rock and a hard place and so much of it comes
from the British mucking up Palestine the way they did Africa, Asia,
Australia, America and more. *It's hard to be surrounded by people that want
you dead.

--
Bobby G.

I can see you haven't read any of the information brought up by your
google which confirms what I said.
The fascist Jewish landgrabbers should be driven into the sea. They
are worse than the Nazis.
There's nobody done more mucking up places than the USA, both directly
and by proxy. Virtually the whole of South and Central America as
well as the ME.