wrote:
Better to be in a depression with 20% unemployment that what we've
got. We know how to fix a depression.

so do tell how do you fix a depression? details please

I was thinking war, but others beat me in mentioning it.

George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 5:39 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 11:30 am, wrote:
wrote:
Cars run fine on CNG compressed natural gas. I have a friend who
convereted both of his vehicles back in 72 just after the first oil
crisis. Vehicles have a little less power but run fine, exhaust is
super clean. and his vehicles are pre computer. They are actually
dual fuel and run on gasoline too with the flick of one switch.

The trouble with oil, we as a nation are shipping our wea;th
overseas to buy oil from people who hate us.

We get most of our oil from Canada& Mexico; they don't hate us
(well, maybe some in Mexico...).



While we ship our jobs overseas to get them done cheap. Is it any
wonder our economy is collapsing?

Look at health care being such a BIG part of our economy. Its
percentage wouldnt be so large if we had more manufacturing.......

There's the story of the fellow who invented a magic box that could
"read" X-Rays. Hospitals would electronically transmit digitized
X-Rays to him, his box would read the X-Ray and send a full report
back to the originating hospital within two hours. For this
service, he charged the hospital $40 instead of the $400 charged by
a radiologist. Skeptical, many hospitals had the same X-ray read by this
entrepreneur's service and a staff radiologist. The differences in
the two reports were inconsequential.

Many people benefited. The inventor, of course, but also the
hospital and the patients.

But the radiologists were screwed. They complained.

The state medical board moved to charge the inventor with
"Unlicensed practice of medicine" and felonious moperty.
Investigations were held. Come to find out, there was no "magic box."
The businessman was
simply forwarding the digitized X-ray to a radiologist in India who
performed HIS magic and emailed back the result.

The above story is fiction, but it could happen. If it did, how
does the "keep jobs in America" mantra hold up?

Many hospitals are doing that today.. X rays and other diagnostics
read bby foreign doctors including china

Well it is important to note the poster of the "magic box" story.

We have two local hospital systems and both have minimal staff
radiologists during the day and at other times and for routine stuff
their offshore contract radiologists do the work.

Nothing new and has been going on for a long time.

Yeah, well... it was an old story.

On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

On 11/11/2010 2:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

OOPS! I didn't read enough, premature postification strikes again. :-0

TDD

On 11/11/2010 3:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

You did look at the date of the article you referenced? You may find
this more current article enlightening:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chine...is-dead-2010-2

In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

Upon further review. The government scotched the deal.
http://247wallst.com/2009/06/26/chin...out-of-hummer/

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On 11/11/2010 2:17 PM, George wrote:
On 11/11/2010 3:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

You did look at the date of the article you referenced? You may find
this more current article enlightening:

http://www.businessinsider.com/chine...is-dead-2010-2

Yes, my fingers outran my brain. 8-)

TDD

On 11/11/2010 2:22 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
The Daring wrote:

On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Nov 10, 1:35 pm, Jim wrote:
Smitty wrote in newsrestwhich-
:

In article
,
wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

you have it backwards;
the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the
Constitution
and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of
Divisiveness
and Fear.

--
Jim Yan

if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that
overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.

it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%

GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining
in ther US.

Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the
parts suppliers

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

Upon further review. The government scotched the deal.
http://247wallst.com/2009/06/26/chin...out-of-hummer/

Yes, my fingers outran my brain. 8-)

TDD

So, a bunch of people with thick India accents will be calling in the
middle of our night. And saying, thickly, that we have such funny
accents and where are we?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Perhaps someday, India and China will outsource tech support to The
U.S.
which shouldn't be a problem since there are more Chinese who speak
English than Americans. 8-)

TDD

Unless you are "Animal Farm". At which point, you need to write
endless ledgers in small hand writing (hoof writing) which at the end
of the day are put in the fire.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:25:55 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

so do tell how do you fix a depression? details please

Quite simple, you start a mechanized world war that causes every
industrialized country on the planet to build massive numbers of
tanks, ships and other hardware that you immediately blow up.
Unfortunately the atomic bomb pretty much eliminated that option.

I'd like to see tax cuts, less violence on TV, and a lot less
regulations. My campaign slogan will be "A book of Mormon and a
handgun in every bedside night table."

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...

Yep no WW3 will get us out of a depression.

So what other solutions do you have?

Thanks, Nate. Me, I'd like to see a lot less regulation which prevents
US companies from drilling. Open ANWR, open the gulf of Mexico, and
off the ocean coasts. Drill, baby, drill!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"N8N" wrote in message
...
On Nov 10, 7:37 am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
I havn't got any proof. But, I think it's possible that the farming,
transporting, and distilling uses more energy than what the ethanol
produces. So, we may be actually increasing our consumption of
fossil
fuels.

There was a big feature in I think Smithsonian? Or Nat'l Geographic?
a couple years ago that said just that. In some cases you're right,
in some cases it's a wash, and in a very few cases E-fuels actually
showed a net benefit. Now that is only true for the US; in South
America where you can grow sugar cane it definitely is worthwhile to
use ethanol instead of gasoline.

I hope that things have changed since then as I really would like to
see a viable alternative to fossil fuels...

nate

Not many short balding Chinese guys with ED, who want a big penile
substitute?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"George"
wrote in message ...


Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?

TDD

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Well, could be worse. You could be in Florida or Chicago, and have
electile (electoral) dysfunction.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people
apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked
away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/

TDD

OOPS! I didn't read enough, premature postification strikes again. :-0

TDD

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:31:38 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

"Ala" wrote in
om:


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article
,
" wrote:

if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists
strike again....

they already reclaimed the House.

Who is this?



hallerb is just venting his insanity.

He must have a *lot* of insanity. He's constantly venting it.

On Nov 12, 1:10*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:47:42 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Now that is only true for the US; in South
America where you can grow sugar cane it definitely is worthwhile to
use ethanol instead of gasoline.

... as long as you don't mind the ecological destruction. Brazil is
draining coastal wetlands and burning the rain forest to grow sugar
cane.

well, yeah, there's that. But the point that I was making is that you
could theoretically run all your farm equipment on ethanol and still
have some left over to sell, not making any judgements about other
environmental effects that may be equally as undesirable as simply
wasting fuel to grow fuel.

nate

On Nov 12, 1:44*pm, N8N wrote:
On Nov 12, 1:10*pm, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:47:42 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Now that is only true for the US; in South
America where you can grow sugar cane it definitely is worthwhile to
use ethanol instead of gasoline.

... as long as you don't mind the ecological destruction. Brazil is
draining coastal wetlands and burning the rain forest to grow sugar
cane.

well, yeah, there's that. *But the point that I was making is that you
could theoretically run all your farm equipment on ethanol and still
have some left over to sell, not making any judgements about other
environmental effects that may be equally as undesirable as simply
wasting fuel to grow fuel.

nate

==
And the best part is...that is a RENEWABLE resource whereas the black
gooey stuff coming out of the ground is not.
==

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
So, a bunch of people with thick India accents will be calling in the
middle of our night. And saying, thickly, that we have such funny
accents and where are we?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org


.


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

Perhaps someday, India and China will outsource tech support to The
U.S.
which shouldn't be a problem since there are more Chinese who speak
English than Americans. 8-)

TDD



not may but yes

and they will also ask us if we have prince albert in a can

"N8N" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 1:10 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:47:42 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Now that is only true for the US; in South
America where you can grow sugar cane it definitely is worthwhile to
use ethanol instead of gasoline.

... as long as you don't mind the ecological destruction. Brazil is
draining coastal wetlands and burning the rain forest to grow sugar
cane.

well, yeah, there's that. But the point that I was making is that you
could theoretically run all your farm equipment on ethanol and still
have some left over to sell, not making any judgements about other
environmental effects that may be equally as undesirable as simply
wasting fuel to grow fuel.


http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...othe r&st=cse
November 12, 2010, 4:29 pm

A Verdict on Controlled Oil Burns and Cancer Risk
By LESLIE KAUFMAN
Fumes from oil burned by spill-response teams in the Gulf of Mexico did not
contain enough cancer-causing chemicals to pose a risk to human health, two
new studies from the Environmental Protection Agency conclude.


A controlled burn in the vicinity of the leaking BP well in June.The reports
are the latest in a series suggesting that some of the lingering effects of
the BP spill and cleanup have been milder than feared.

As the slick from the Deepwater Horizon accident threatened Louisiana's
delicate shoreline in the spring and summer, government regulators carried
out 411 controlled burns along with other mop-up techniques, the agency
said. The burns consumed 222,000 to 313,000 barrels of oil, the government
estimates.

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:
On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the
dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently
trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away
from the table.

Um, I just checked.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462/


anyway, i thought you were sending a pic of napoleon dynamite eating tater
tots on his bicycle dragging his brother skip behind on a skateboard

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
Better to be in a depression with 20% unemployment that what we've
got. We know how to fix a depression.

so do tell how do you fix a depression? details please

I was thinking war, but others beat me in mentioning it.


how many more do we need. looks like we are in at least one right now

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:44:41 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Nov 12, 1:10Â*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:47:42 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

Now that is only true for the US; in South
America where you can grow sugar cane it definitely is worthwhile to
use ethanol instead of gasoline.

... as long as you don't mind the ecological destruction. Brazil is
draining coastal wetlands and burning the rain forest to grow sugar
cane.

well, yeah, there's that. But the point that I was making is that you
could theoretically run all your farm equipment on ethanol and still
have some left over to sell, not making any judgements about other
environmental effects that may be equally as undesirable as simply
wasting fuel to grow fuel.

nate
Many years ago a local potato farmer ran his tractors on hooch made
from surplus/substandard and damaged potatos. He had an excise permit
to produce the stuff but it had to have gasoline added immediately
(something like E95)
That made sense, but after a few years the still was shut down and he
went back to petro-power (deisel)

In article ,
Roy wrote:
...snipped...
==
And the best part is...that is a RENEWABLE resource whereas the black
gooey stuff coming out of the ground is not.
==


Sort of. At the rate that some parts of the midwest are losing topsoil,
they will be unable to grow corn long before we run out of oil.


--
When the game is over, the pawn and the king are returned to the same box.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org

Roy wrote:
nate

==
And the best part is...that is a RENEWABLE resource whereas the black
gooey stuff coming out of the ground is not.
==

"Renewable" should not factor into the equation.

Whale oil is a renewable resource, but Kerosene is cheaper.

Ala wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
Better to be in a depression with 20% unemployment that what we've
got. We know how to fix a depression.

so do tell how do you fix a depression? details please

I was thinking war, but others beat me in mentioning it.


how many more do we need. looks like we are in at least one right now

It helps, but the current wars are not big enough.

I shudder to think how much worse the economy would be if if were not for
the current conflicts.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Ala wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
Better to be in a depression with 20% unemployment that what we've
got. We know how to fix a depression.

so do tell how do you fix a depression? details please

I was thinking war, but others beat me in mentioning it.


how many more do we need. looks like we are in at least one right now

It helps, but the current wars are not big enough.

I shudder to think how much worse the economy would be if if were not for
the current conflicts.


There's a few commentators out there who believe all the aid poured into
Haiti is humanitarian aid masquearading as another war and therefoe
masquearading as economic stimulus for US