No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly Old
Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the fungating
pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly Old
Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the
fungating pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules


I do not feel sorry for anyone in the HOAs. They should know what they are
getting into when they move in. While I fly an American Flag at my house,
the old man should not have one up or should move out if he wants to fly
one.

Maybe congress should pass a law that lets one fly the flag, over rulling
the HOA. I think they did something like that for the small satellite
dishes.

I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a house.
Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5 years ago for
the house I now live in.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in
:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to
fly Old Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the
fungating pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...eowners-associ
ation-rules


I do not feel sorry for anyone in the HOAs. They should know what
they are getting into when they move in. While I fly an American Flag
at my house, the old man should not have one up or should move out if
he wants to fly one.

Maybe congress should pass a law that lets one fly the flag, over
rulling the HOA. I think they did something like that for the small
satellite dishes.

I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a
house. Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5
years ago for the house I now live in.



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:31:33 -0500, Jim Yanik
wrote:

I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

One HOA president decided he would bang on my garage door. He lives
across the street.

I change plans, grabbed my gun, not knowing who it was. Told the man
he nearly got shot or possibly could have been.

I taught him about "violations".

We live on a well armed street and hold or weapons in dear regard.

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in
(snip)
I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a
house. Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5
years ago for the house I now live in.



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.


No way would I ever buy in an HOA neighborhood, even if I could afford a
house as fancy as they usually are. (If I had that much cash, I'd rather
have a small plain place on ten acres somewhere.) All the petty
politics aside, I don't care for homogenized blah beige subdivisions.
But mainly, if I gonna be paying assesments and such, I may as well
rent. The power to file liens is the power to destroy.

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in
(snip)
I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a
house. Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5
years ago for the house I now live in.



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at
you,and you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that
others aren't getting.


No way would I ever buy in an HOA neighborhood, even if I could afford a
house as fancy as they usually are. (If I had that much cash, I'd rather
have a small plain place on ten acres somewhere.) All the petty
politics aside, I don't care for homogenized blah beige subdivisions.
But mainly, if I gonna be paying assesments and such, I may as well
rent. The power to file liens is the power to destroy.


In my area in Florida, the choice likely will come down to either an HOA
or a cluster of dirt (sand) roads, shacks, five vehicles and four pit
bulls per residence....there isn't a lot of in-between in unincorporated
areas )

wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
Jim Yanik wrote:
"Ralph Mowery" wrote in
(snip)
I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very
many restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I
buy a
house. Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5
years ago for the house I now live in.



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when
moving into a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be
unpredictable and capricious,and also political. Get one board member
ticked off at you,and you'll be getting notices for all sorts of
"violations" that others aren't getting.


No way would I ever buy in an HOA neighborhood, even if I could afford
a house as fancy as they usually are. (If I had that much cash, I'd
rather have a small plain place on ten acres somewhere.) All the
petty politics aside, I don't care for homogenized blah beige
subdivisions. But mainly, if I gonna be paying assesments and such, I
may as well rent. The power to file liens is the power to destroy.


In my area in Florida, the choice likely will come down to either an HOA
or a cluster of dirt (sand) roads, shacks, five vehicles and four pit
bulls per residence....there isn't a lot of in-between in unincorporated
areas )

I've been to Florida. Once you can't smell the ocean any more, you may
as well be in Louisiana. Unless a job required it (and it would have to
be a great job), I wouldn't live in Florida, at least the inland part.

(And I own a house in Louisiana, so I do know what it is like.)

--
aem sends...

wrote
In my area in Florida, the choice likely will come down to either an HOA
or a cluster of dirt (sand) roads, shacks, five vehicles and four pit
bulls per residence....there isn't a lot of in-between in unincorporated
areas )


I'd choose the pit bulls in the shacks over the pit bulls in charge of an
HOA

"Jim Yanik" wrote


I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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"Steve B" wrote:


"Jim Yanik" wrote


I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.


I think that's called buying a pig in a poke. If I just *had* to
have that property-- but they wouldn't let me see it before I bought
it, I wouldn't close. [and *it* can be the property or the bylaws-
no difference] No sympathy from this quarter- no matter how draconian
their HOA is.

Jim

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
"Steve B" wrote:


"Jim Yanik" wrote


I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at
you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others
aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.


I think that's called buying a pig in a poke. If I just *had* to
have that property-- but they wouldn't let me see it before I bought
it, I wouldn't close. [and *it* can be the property or the bylaws-
no difference] No sympathy from this quarter- no matter how draconian
their HOA is.

Jim

Thank you, Jim, for all your tender mercies and sympathy. I wasn't asking
for them, but only relating a story that had to do with the thread.

Steve

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:26:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Seven most outrageous HOA
rules:

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:26:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Seven most outrageous HOA
rules:

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close.
--

Why would you even place an offer without thoroughly reviewing the rules?

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:26:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Seven most outrageous HOA
rules:

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close.

Well, apparently not to some people.

Steve

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On Aug 31, 9:21*am, Caesar Romano wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:26:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Seven most outrageous HOA
rules:

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

"The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close."

That's easy to say from afar, but we don't really know what the
circumstances were, do we?

There could have been issues related to family, jobs, schools,
housing, medical, loans, finances, etc.

Maybe they *had* to close by a certain date and couldn't wait any
longer without suffering consequences that were unbearable - to
*them*. We're all different.

I'm all for following "protocol" but there can often be extenuating
circumstances that force protocol to the side.

"Caesar Romano" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:26:19 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Seven most outrageous HOA
rules:

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

The proper protocol in a case like this is to refuse to close.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

The only, and allow me to repeat that ONLY, proper protocol is to not make
an offer to purchase without reviewing the HOA restrictions.

Colbyt

They must enjoy being victimized, then?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Steve B" wrote in message
...

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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Who must enjoy being victimized?

Steve

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
They must enjoy being victimized, then?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Steve B" wrote in message
...

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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On Aug 30, 11:26*pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Jim Yanik" wrote



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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They should not have agreed to the purchase until they had been given
a copy of the rules and had time to evaluate them.

On Aug 31, 3:11*pm, BobR wrote:
On Aug 30, 11:26*pm, "Steve B" wrote:





"Jim Yanik" wrote

I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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They should not have agreed to the purchase until they had been given
a copy of the rules and had time to evaluate them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Please see my post about extenuating circumstances.

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:11:19 -0700 (PDT), BobR
wrote:

They should not have agreed to the purchase until they had been given
a copy of the rules and had time to evaluate them.

I my city and through the buyer's agent, the seller has to provide the
CC&R's to the buyer at seller's expense.

The buyer has 30 days to read, review, consume all the noise. The
buyer has to sign a form indicating they have read and accept the
rules.

We use a title office, instead of attorneys. The tile company checks
that the CC&R's are acknowledged buy the buyer.

You cannot close otherwise...

"BobR" wrote in message
...
On Aug 30, 11:26 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Jim Yanik" wrote



I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at
you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others
aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's
until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

Steve

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at:http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

They should not have agreed to the purchase until they had been given
a copy of the rules and had time to evaluate them.

reply: I have no idea what "SHOULD" means other than to be a manipulative
psychobabble term about what one wants another to do and to insinuate to
that person that it is their original idea. Trying to tell people what they
"SHOULD" do will lead to a career in psychiatry or politics. They
apparently wanted the unit bad enough to take it without the CC&R's,
probably having talked to some owners and asking some questions. We are
talking about what people actually do, and not what they "SHOULD" do. If
this was a perfect world, the HOA Nazis "SHOULD" be more lax in their
interpretation and enforcement of the rules.

Steve

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"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"Jim Yanik" wrote


I don't believe you CAN know just what you're getting into when moving
into
a HOA neighborhood. The HOA committees can be unpredictable and
capricious,and also political. Get one board member ticked off at you,and
you'll be getting notices for all sorts of "violations" that others
aren't
getting.

--
Jim Yanik

Some friends of mine bought a condo, and were not given a copy of the
CC&R's until AFTER closing, even though they requested one before.

In many/most places you have the option of cancelling the sale within a
certain time period of receiving the documents.

For those of you with a "pixie spirit" and time on your hands, you might
want to make offers on property, "review" the HOA crap and then cancel the
sale.

Only do this when you are making the purchase through a licensed broker: an
individual seller might want to sit on your depostion. A "professional"
will give your deposit back quickly and if he doesn't the state has a fund
to back him up.

"John Gilmer" wrote

Only do this when you are making the purchase through a licensed broker:
an individual seller might want to sit on your depostion.

That sounds painful. ;-)

Steve

In article ,
"John Gilmer" wrote:

For those of you with a "pixie spirit" and time on your hands, you might
want to make offers on property, "review" the HOA crap and then cancel the
sale.

Only do this when you are making the purchase through a licensed broker: an
individual seller might want to sit on your depostion. A "professional"
will give your deposit back quickly and if he doesn't the state has a fund
to back him up.

A licensed broker would kick your ass right out the door if he knew you
were wasting his time just to waste someone else's time, for amusement.
(And the local phone network would have you blacklisted at every
broker's office within 30 minutes.) Or did I misunderstand you?

Ralph Mowery wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly Old
Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the
fungating pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules


I do not feel sorry for anyone in the HOAs. They should know what they are
getting into when they move in. While I fly an American Flag at my house,
the old man should not have one up or should move out if he wants to fly
one.

Maybe congress should pass a law that lets one fly the flag, over rulling
the HOA. I think they did something like that for the small satellite
dishes.

I would never buy a house with a HOA or in a place that has very many
restrictions. That has been one of my first questions when I buy a house.
Was about 30 years ago for the first house and again about 5 years ago for
the house I now live in.



The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole. Years ago, it was a constant issue in Florida until they got
around to changing the statutes so that condo owners may display one
flag (US, state or military service, IIRC)....heck, Florida even got
around to passing a statute that says a condo board member can't serve
if they are delinquent in their maint. assessments.

My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else. If the old geezer wants his own rules, he
should start his own country. It bugs the heck out of me when people
think their fairly-unique circumstances give them a pass on obeying laws
(condo and HOA rules have the standing of law).

In article ,
" wrote:

My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else. If the old geezer wants his own rules, he
should start his own country. It bugs the heck out of me when people
think their fairly-unique circumstances give them a pass on obeying laws
(condo and HOA rules have the standing of law).

ditto, ditto, and ditto.

" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.

If the old geezer wants his own rules, he
should start his own country. It bugs the heck out of me when people
think their fairly-unique circumstances give them a pass on obeying laws
(condo and HOA rules have the standing of law).

He doesn't need to start a country-- he just has to move out of the
HOA. My neighbor and I do pretty much what we want-- and if one of
us infringes on the other beyond what we can stand [1 each in 25
years] we discuss it & work around it.

I don't understand why anyone would want to live in a development, let
alone an HOA controlled environment-- but 'different strokes' & all
that. But once you make that choice, you've made it. Live with the
rules or move.

Jim

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.

If the old geezer wants his own rules, he
should start his own country. It bugs the heck out of me when people
think their fairly-unique circumstances give them a pass on obeying laws
(condo and HOA rules have the standing of law).

He doesn't need to start a country-- he just has to move out of the
HOA. My neighbor and I do pretty much what we want-- and if one of
us infringes on the other beyond what we can stand [1 each in 25
years] we discuss it & work around it.

I don't understand why anyone would want to live in a development, let
alone an HOA controlled environment-- but 'different strokes' & all
that. But once you make that choice, you've made it. Live with the
rules or move.

Jim

However, that is not the current state of politics, rights, or mindsets.
The rules must be changed to adjust to every individual, or it is
discrimination. Don't you read the papers? ;-)

Steve

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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.

Careful how you type about Chesty ) One of my children is a graduate
of Parris Island. )

" wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't more
special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.

Careful how you type about Chesty ) One of my children is a graduate
of Parris Island. )

Semper Fi to him/her. I graduated in Dec '68. Was pleased to
hear recently that they still say the same thing at lights out
[according to a 'class of 2000 or so' grad];
"God bless mom & dad; God bless the USA; God bless the USMC; & God
bless Chesty Puller, wherever he is."

I met 'Chesty' Puller Jr. at a reunion of my VN Bn in 1987 or so. So
I'm only 1 degree of separation away from 'the man'. g

Jim

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't
more special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.


Guadacanal belonged to the Japanese. Chesty Puller* didn't like the way the
Japanese were running the place, so he did something about it.

Oh, he could have gone elsewhere or stayed where he was, but he saw an
injustice, an insult, an affront to decency, and he did something about it.

Same as this old geezer.

With a slight modification, the rallying cry "Kill Japs. Kill Japs. Kill
more Japs" could be resurrected for contemporary problems.

Harken to the refrain: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for
good men not to shoot the evil-doers." Nothing would please me more than for
the medicine man to be waving chicken claws of some of these folks' ashes.

As an aside, I think property values would INCREASE in a neighborhood where
the residents tried to outdo each other in their display of ostentatious
patriotism.

---
* Chesty Puller's citation for his THIRD Navy Cross
"For extraordinary heroism as Commanding Officer of the First Battalion,
Seventh Marines, First Marine Division, during the action against enemy
Japanese forces on Guadalcanal, Solomon Islands, on the night of 24 to 25
October 1942..."

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-


My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't
more special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.


Guadacanal belonged to the Japanese. Chesty Puller* didn't like the way
the Japanese were running the place, so he did something about it.

Oh, he could have gone elsewhere or stayed where he was, but he saw an
injustice, an insult, an affront to decency, and he did something about
it.

Same as this old geezer.

With a slight modification, the rallying cry "Kill Japs. Kill Japs. Kill
more Japs" could be resurrected for contemporary problems.

Harken to the refrain: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is
for good men not to shoot the evil-doers." Nothing would please me more
than for the medicine man to be waving chicken claws of some of these
folks' ashes.

As an aside, I think property values would INCREASE in a neighborhood
where the residents tried to outdo each other in their display of
ostentatious patriotism.


AND their increase of shooting evil-doers.

Steve

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On Aug 31, 3:13*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
" wrote:
-snip-
The issue is NOT flying the American flag, it is erecting his own
flagpole.
Exactly.

-snip-

My hat is off to people who serve in the military, but they aren't
more special than anyone else.

Exactly-- and I'm one of them. * I don't even care if you're Chesty
friggin' Puller-- as a citizen, you follow the rules, especially when
you put yourself under them voluntarily.

Guadacanal belonged to the Japanese. Chesty Puller* didn't like the way the
Japanese were running the place, so he did something about it.

Oh, he could have gone elsewhere or stayed where he was, but he saw an
injustice, an insult, an affront to decency, and he did something about it.

I do not feel sorry for anyone in the HOAs. They should know what they
are getting into when they move in. While I fly an American Flag at my
house, the old man should not have one up or should move out if he wants
to fly one.

Well, one problem is that the "government" changed the rules and essentially
gave the HOAs a green light for just about any foolishment they can think
of.

Pre-1990 or so, they were just a convenience to provide a structure to
maintain the roads which (because of 2nd rate construction) could not be
turned over to the government.

The courts used to protect that individual owners from HOA excesses but now
if the letter of the agreement is adhered to, they can do just about
anything. For example, where we own, the HOA decided to take away 2 of our
4 parking spaces even when all 4 were on out lot.

We spent a few $1k in legal bills but the bottom line is that today, they
are a law unto themselves.

In the late 80s, a circuit court judge affirmed my right to keep folks from
parking on our property without our permission but that has changed

Now that same HOA wants the right to approve tenants! They demand $20 to
"screen" prospects.

As the Jews say, "Never Again."

"HeyBub" wrote:
-snip-

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the fungating
pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules


If the HOA was formed after they bought their house & they are still
subject to its rules, then I've got sympathy. Otherwise, I don't care
if they've got a dozen MOH's- rules is rules, even when they're
stupid.

Jim

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly Old
Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the
fungating pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules


There is nothing wrong with a HOA having rules and enforcing them. People
who are purchasing in a deed restricted community should read the rules and
accept them BEFORE they buy or buy elsewhere if they are unwilling to abide
by the rules.

Now I will agree that a couple of those 7 in the initial post, link, would
have been "deal killers" for me.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com

"Colbyt" wrote in message
m...

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
No-flag rule:

"After receiving support from members of Congress, and even the Obama
administration, Medal of Honor recipient Van T. Barfoot, who once
singlehandedly took on three Nazi tanks, triumphed in his quest to fly
Old Glory."

But here's a list of seven homeowners who did not prevail over the
fungating pustules that are HOAs.

http://theweek.com/article/index/104...ociation-rules


There is nothing wrong with a HOA having rules and enforcing them. People
who are purchasing in a deed restricted community should read the rules
and accept them BEFORE they buy or buy elsewhere if they are unwilling to
abide by the rules.

Now I will agree that a couple of those 7 in the initial post, link,
would have been "deal killers" for me.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com


The little experince I've had with NAs (not HOA) has been very positive.
Just people trying to keep the neighborhood from going to crap. I didn't
read the NA contract at signing but I would the next time. I mean, who
actually reads all the stuff? g

Jim

Jim

"JimT" wrote

The little experince I've had with NAs (not HOA) has been very positive.
Just people trying to keep the neighborhood from going to crap. I didn't
read the NA contract at signing but I would the next time. I mean, who
actually reads all the stuff? g

Jim

WE do, as investigators and agents of property management companies. Mainly
to see what exactly the HOA dues fund is specifically responsible for, but
then we get all this other stuff:

We have come up with such interesting things as:
A property being listed as located in two different cities and the county.
(This is common with lazy cut and pasters.)
Pool maintenance being delegated to the HOA, when there was no pool.
Rules that visitors under the age of 10 years old could not park their cars
on the street, but must use designated parking.
Rules that specified the exact shade of red that was to be used for curbs,
using some international color code.
Rules to standardize doorbell buttons.
Rules to standardize the light bulbs you can use at the entrance of your
home. (No bug lights.)
Rules that go into very intricate details about how you can put out your
garbage, and what hours you can put it out, and how much time you have to
bring your cans back in.
The type and color of cans you can use.
The power washing of cans regularly.
The amount of smoke one can put out from an outdoor cooking device, and the
hours one can put it out.
The proper procedure, timing, and way to pick up and dispose of pet waste,
even going in to details when the waste is of the consistency that it cannot
be picked up, in which case it must be hosed down into the lawn for certain
distance from the point of "deposit."
The outlawing or requiring of peepholes in doors.
The color of exterior doorknobs.
Pool attire, including shoes, and the outlawing of some types of robes and
towels that have sayings on them.
Rules on bathing caps in the pool, and the banning of them inside
clubhouses.

You get the idea. I could go on for hours.

Steve

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"Steve B" wrote in message
...

"JimT" wrote

The little experince I've had with NAs (not HOA) has been very positive.
Just people trying to keep the neighborhood from going to crap. I didn't
read the NA contract at signing but I would the next time. I mean, who
actually reads all the stuff? g

Jim

WE do, as investigators and agents of property management companies.
Mainly to see what exactly the HOA dues fund is specifically responsible
for, but then we get all this other stuff:

We have come up with such interesting things as:
A property being listed as located in two different cities and the county.
(This is common with lazy cut and pasters.)
Pool maintenance being delegated to the HOA, when there was no pool.
Rules that visitors under the age of 10 years old could not park their
cars on the street, but must use designated parking.
Rules that specified the exact shade of red that was to be used for curbs,
using some international color code.
Rules to standardize doorbell buttons.
Rules to standardize the light bulbs you can use at the entrance of your
home. (No bug lights.)
Rules that go into very intricate details about how you can put out your
garbage, and what hours you can put it out, and how much time you have to
bring your cans back in.
The type and color of cans you can use.
The power washing of cans regularly.
The amount of smoke one can put out from an outdoor cooking device, and
the hours one can put it out.
The proper procedure, timing, and way to pick up and dispose of pet waste,
even going in to details when the waste is of the consistency that it
cannot be picked up, in which case it must be hosed down into the lawn for
certain distance from the point of "deposit."
The outlawing or requiring of peepholes in doors.
The color of exterior doorknobs.
Pool attire, including shoes, and the outlawing of some types of robes and
towels that have sayings on them.
Rules on bathing caps in the pool, and the banning of them inside
clubhouses.

You get the idea. I could go on for hours.

Steve

read about heart surgery and how to prepare for it at:
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com


heh You did notice I said "I would next time."

I was fortunate because I was in the position of needing the NA's help
rather than being on the other end. When I did finally read the contract I
didn't see anything I would have objected to. It was just common sense stuff
like mow your yard and no broken down cars in the street, etc... My problem
was with a neighbors outdoor 12" speakers blasting at 2:00 am. Sure enough
there was a "no outdoor speaker" clause. One threat of a lawsuit and the
speakers were gone.

Jim