Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message
...
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. :-)

On Apr 23, 12:07*pm, "JimT" wrote:
"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in ...

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. *:-)

Oh boy, here we go...

"Nothing against Mexicans but I want one or two English speaking
guys on the crew."

What if they all spoke Dutch? or German? or the Queen's English?

"Point is: It's the final job that matters."

Apparently not. What seems to matter, at least to you, is what
language they speak.

snip

"Nothing against Mexicans but I want one or two English speaking
guys on the crew."

What if they all spoke Dutch? or German? or the Queen's English?

My wife speaks some German and she's Hispanic.

"Point is: It's the final job that matters."

Apparently not. What seems to matter, at least to you, is what language
they speak.

So communication isn't important to you? If I had a translator it wouldn't
matter.

FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally. They were
based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't pick them. I try
to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at least one English
speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable or racist. It can easily
be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up, and spent most of my adult
life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any hard core resentment of Mexicans.
I'm just being practical. If that bothers you I don't know what to say.

On Apr 23, 12:31*pm, "JimT" wrote:
snip

"Nothing against Mexicans but I want one or two English speaking
guys on the crew."
What if they all spoke Dutch? or German? or the Queen's English?

My wife speaks some German and she's Hispanic.

"Point is: It's the final job that matters."
Apparently not. What seems to matter, at least to you, is what language
they speak.

So communication isn't important to you? If I had a translator it wouldn't
matter.

FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally. They were
based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't pick them. I try
to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at least one English
speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable or racist. It can easily
be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up, and spent most of my adult
life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any hard core resentment of Mexicans.
I'm just being practical. If that bothers you I don't know what to say.

What "bothers" me is how you said it. Granted, you can't really tell
"tone" in a NG post, so I'll just tell you how I read it...

When you say that you didn't use them because the crew was all
"Mexican Nationals" and you want "one or two English speaking guys on
the crew" you make it sound like those two things are mutually
exclusive.

When I was in the service in Germany, we had many German Nationals
that worked side by side with us on base. They *all* spoke English. In
fact, they were "ahead" of us in that regard, because very few of us
spoke German.

Did you verify that none of the crew that worked on your neighbor's
house spoke English? If you didn't, then it appears, at least to me,
that you didn't hire them because of their nationality - or at a
minimum, you didn't hire them for a reason that might not have been
justified.

"That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally. "

Now that is a very valid reason. However, the wording in your earlier
post certainly didn't indicate that reputation had anything to do with
your decision, especially when you strung together these three
sentences in one paragraph:

"I didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my
neighbor's and the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing
against Mexicans but I want one or two English speaking guys on the
crew."

Again, it just *sounds* like you feel that if they are Mexican
Nationals they must not speak English, which some might consider to be
somewhat of a prejudential generalization.

Like I said, that's how it came across to me, so that's why I
responded as I did.

snip

I snipped because OE does quotes badly at times.

IMHO: You're missing the point and you're predisposed beliefs are clouding
your reasoning.

JimT wrote:

FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally.
They were based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't
pick them. I try to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at
least one English speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable
or racist. It can easily be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up,
and spent most of my adult life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any
hard core resentment of Mexicans. I'm just being practical. If that
bothers you I don't know what to say.

TV commercial for gubernatorial candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohs...layer_embedded

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
JimT wrote:

FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally.
They were based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't
pick them. I try to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at
least one English speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable
or racist. It can easily be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up,
and spent most of my adult life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any
hard core resentment of Mexicans. I'm just being practical. If that
bothers you I don't know what to say.

TV commercial for gubernatorial candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohs...layer_embedded




heh....My answer would have to be no. Little doubt to the constituents he's
appealing to.

HeyBub wrote:
JimT wrote:
FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally.
They were based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't
pick them. I try to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at
least one English speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable
or racist. It can easily be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up,
and spent most of my adult life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any
hard core resentment of Mexicans. I'm just being practical. If that
bothers you I don't know what to say.

TV commercial for gubernatorial candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohs...layer_embedded




I think I mentioned this in another group. Here in Alabamastan,
many of our politicians barely speak English, it's Hillbonics
or Ebonics and some of them are almost impossible to understand
especially since most of what they're saying are lies anyway.
*snicker*

TDD

HeyBub wrote:
JimT wrote:
FWIW: That particular company didn't have a real good rep locally.
They were based out of another city too. That was the reason I didn't
pick them. I try to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at
least one English speaking person. I don't think that is unreasonable
or racist. It can easily be a Mexican that speaks English. I grew-up,
and spent most of my adult life, in Southern NM. I don't carry any
hard core resentment of Mexicans. I'm just being practical. If that
bothers you I don't know what to say.

TV commercial for gubernatorial candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohs...layer_embedded




I'll bet there will be a lot more unlicensed - and therefore uninsured -
drivers in Alabama if this guy wins.

For about two centuries, the folks in US havn't spoken
English. If you want a demo, go visit England, see if you
can communicate with the people there. You'll find that the
language is noticably different.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"JimT" wrote in message
net...

I try
to ask anyone that does work on my house to have at least
one English
speaking person.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
For about two centuries, the folks in US havn't spoken
English. If you want a demo, go visit England, see if you
can communicate with the people there. You'll find that the
language is noticably different.



That's a matter of opinion. If you're British we're illiterate; yet we still
managed to beat them at just about everything else.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Apr 23, 12:07 pm, "JimT" wrote:
"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in
...

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a
quote for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual
information, plus e-mail address, then asked when somebody was
likely to come and check the place out. Reply: "We don't need to
send somebody the we get all the information we need from
satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the
estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my
neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans
but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. :-)

Oh boy, here we go...

"Nothing against Mexicans but I want one or two English speaking
guys on the crew."

What if they all spoke Dutch? or German? or the Queen's English?

"Point is: It's the final job that matters."

Apparently not. What seems to matter, at least to you, is what
language they speak.

The guys that did the teardown on my roof spoke either spanish of russian. (some
of each)

On 4/23/2010 11:07 AM, JimT wrote:
"Percival P. wrote in message
...
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. :-)


Good luck finding a non mexican roofing crew. BUT, i would insist on an
English speaking Foreman. I agree with that. Speak english or go home.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
On 4/23/2010 11:07 AM, JimT wrote:
"Percival P. wrote in message
...
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I
want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. :-)


Good luck finding a non mexican roofing crew. BUT, i would insist on an
English speaking Foreman. I agree with that. Speak english or go home.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Yeah, living here in Central TX you learn that pretty quickly. g

I got Wilson Roofing (Austin). They did excellent work and they have the
reputation of being one of the best. There were a bunch of guys up there.
But there was a articulate and educated person there at all times. Started
at about 7am and ended about 7pm. Pro all the way. Cost a little more but
worth it. I highly recommend them.

On Apr 23, 1:56*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 4/23/2010 11:07 AM, JimT wrote:



"Percival P. *wrote in message
...
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. *:-)

Good luck finding a non mexican roofing crew. *BUT, i would insist on an
English speaking Foreman. *I agree with that. *Speak english or go home.

Well, that's not impossible here in the Great White North (Michigan).
The
last roofing crew I had in were the usual bunch of scrawny
hillbillies. They
did a great job.

The concrete crew were scrawny, hung-over hillbillies, and they did a
terrible job.

The Nu-Wool insulation guys--I can't remember them very well because
I couldn't observe them very well. I think they were hillbillies of
various
magnitudes.

Let's see: the guys who did the crawlspace lining were Hispanic (or
Latino or
whatever the term du jour is), as were the two who planted the
corkscrew
willow tree. The tree looks like it's dying, but that's probably the
fault of
the clay soil.

Why all the hillbillies in Michigan? They or their fathers came up
for those
good factory jobs that aren't there anymore.

Cindy Hamilton

On Apr 23, 4:44*pm, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:
On Apr 23, 1:56*pm, Steve Barker wrote:



On 4/23/2010 11:07 AM, JimT wrote:

"Percival P. *wrote in message
...
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote for
getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus e-mail
address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check the place
out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all the
information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. *:-)

Good luck finding a non mexican roofing crew. *BUT, i would insist on an
English speaking Foreman. *I agree with that. *Speak english or go home.

Well, that's not impossible here in the Great White North (Michigan).
The
last roofing crew I had in were the usual bunch of scrawny
hillbillies. *They
did a great job.

The concrete crew were scrawny, hung-over hillbillies, and they did a
terrible job.

The Nu-Wool insulation guys--I can't remember them very well because
I couldn't observe them very well. *I think they were hillbillies of
various
magnitudes.

Let's see: the guys who did the crawlspace lining were Hispanic (or
Latino or
whatever the term du jour is), as were the two who planted the
corkscrew
willow tree. *The tree looks like it's dying, but that's probably the
fault of
the clay soil.

Why all the hillbillies in Michigan? *They or their fathers came up
for those
good factory jobs that aren't there anymore.

Cindy Hamilton

If you look in the dictionary, you will find that the definition of
Hillbilly is a Michigan farmer.

This Kentucky Hillbilly came up to Michigan because I got a job,
before I moved, at the Gibson Guitar factory that used to be in
Kalamazoo.

David

Bloody good show, what? Now, I'll have me hand pop on down
to Macky Dees in the lorry, to pick up some bangors and
mash. Then stop by the chemist to pick up some stuff, and
don't let the bloke to my flat, the tyke in the pram is a
bit excitable. Mum been trying to put him down.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...

Good luck finding a non mexican roofing crew. BUT, i would
insist on an
English speaking Foreman. I agree with that. Speak english
or go home.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

[snip]
e

I was impressed when one of the roofing companies I contacted did the
estimate from satellite imagery. The computer spits out the estimate. I
didn't hire them and I'm glad I didn't. They did one of my neighbor's and
the crew consisted of Mexican Nationals. Nothing against Mexicans but I want
one or two English speaking guys on the crew.

Point is: It's the final job that matters. :-)


Sometimes I get the idea they hire Mexicans so they don't waste time
talking to you.

On Apr 23, 11:57*am, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote:
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I guess for the majority of new clients that might work. I know that
the (Google) images of my house are going on 3 (4?) years old so if
that's what they use, they'd see a different landscaping layout.

From a lawn rolling perspective, I think they'd be "close enough" with
the old images, but I'd certainly want to discuss the final numbers
with them since there is less lawn to roll than the images show.

On 4/23/2010 10:57 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce

I'd immediately pick another company.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On 04/23/10 01:54 pm, Steve Barker wrote:

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

I'd immediately pick another company.

Why? Can't they tell the area well enough from a satellite image? What
else do they need to know to give me a price?

I have their quote already and, although I have no other quote with
which to compare it, it's less than I was figuring it could be.

Perce

On 4/23/2010 1:45 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 04/23/10 01:54 pm, Steve Barker wrote:

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

I'd immediately pick another company.

Why? Can't they tell the area well enough from a satellite image? What
else do they need to know to give me a price?

I have their quote already and, although I have no other quote with
which to compare it, it's less than I was figuring it could be.

Perce

It's called personalized service. And no, they can't tell **** from a
satellite image about what your lawn (or ****ing roof) needs.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

In article ,
Steve Barker wrote:

On 4/23/2010 1:45 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 04/23/10 01:54 pm, Steve Barker wrote:

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

I'd immediately pick another company.

Why? Can't they tell the area well enough from a satellite image? What
else do they need to know to give me a price?

I have their quote already and, although I have no other quote with
which to compare it, it's less than I was figuring it could be.

Perce

It's called personalized service. And no, they can't tell **** from a
satellite image about what your lawn (or ****ing roof) needs.

Agreed. The guy who walked my roof told me how many new sheets of
plywood it needed. If a satellite image can do that, then they can use
the damn satellite to pull the money out of my wallet when the job's
done. No way in hell would I hire someone who wouldn't come out to see
the job and meet me in person.

On Apr 24, 2:25*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Steve Barker wrote:



On 4/23/2010 1:45 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 04/23/10 01:54 pm, Steve Barker wrote:

Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get all
the information we need from satellite imagery."

I'd immediately pick another company.

Why? Can't they tell the area well enough from a satellite image? What
else do they need to know to give me a price?

I have their quote already and, although I have no other quote with
which to compare it, it's less than I was figuring it could be.

Perce

It's called personalized service. *And no, they can't tell **** from a
satellite image about what your lawn (or ****ing roof) needs.

Agreed. The guy who walked my roof told me how many new sheets of
plywood it needed. If a satellite image can do that, then they can use
the damn satellite to pull the money out of my wallet when the job's
done. No way in hell would I hire someone who wouldn't come out to see
the job and meet me in person.

Sounds like it could be the perfect bait and switch operator. They
give you a price for the most basic service which looks like a great
deal and after they get all the shingles off your roof they tell you
that you need some extra work and all of a sudden your cost for the
project shoots to the moon.

David

Percival P. Cassidy wrote the following:
Called a business that had an insert in our local paper to get a quote
for getting our lawn rolled. Gave them all the usual information, plus
e-mail address, then asked when somebody was likely to come and check
the place out. Reply: "We don't need to send somebody the we get
all the information we need from satellite imagery."

Perce
My neighbor had his house re-roofed. It was a two roof house about
60x30.in size. The spanish speaking crew came early in the morning and
started ripping off the old shingles.By supper time, they were done, and
before leaving, they cleaned up the mess too. The only potential problem
was the constant hammering of 6 or 8 guys, but I was doing construction
on my house at the time, so the hammering and the salsa music on their
radio didn't bother me. I don't think they even took a break, except for
lunch.
When I need my house re-roofed, I will give their company a call.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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