"Things are so bad in American manufacturing that we cannot even make shoddy
products anymore. We have to import them from China."

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/11791

The blogger makes the point that Katrina drove folks from New Orleans to
formaldehyde-laced trailers until their new houses could be build with
Hydrogen-sulfide drywall.

God hates them.

The blogger makes the point that Katrina drove folks from New Orleans to
formaldehyde-laced trailers until their new houses could be build with
Hydrogen-sulfide drywall.

I'd like to see the govt. of China encouraged to compel the drywall mfg. to
pay for removal/replacement costs by hints of import duties and safety
inspections on a wide range of made-in-China goods if the drywall company
doesn't pay up.

DGDevin wrote:
The blogger makes the point that Katrina drove folks from New Orleans to
formaldehyde-laced trailers until their new houses could be build with
Hydrogen-sulfide drywall.

I'd like to see the govt. of China encouraged to compel the drywall mfg. to
pay for removal/replacement costs by hints of import duties and safety
inspections on a wide range of made-in-China goods if the drywall company
doesn't pay up.


Like that is ever gonna happen. What does US Gov do if China quits
loaning them money, and what will all the US companies do if China
seizes and nationalizes all the factories they paid to build over there?
Like it or not, we are in bed with the Chinese, and we are just gonna
have to get used to wearing a flea collar. If a trade war starts, better
hope all your electronics and appliances and (sad to say) gardening
implements last a LONG time, because pretty much nobody else is making
them any more, and you can't build a new factory overnight.

--
aem sends....

Do they use the same drywall in CHina?

What caused the gas emissions (gypsum is calcium sulfide)?

Don't we test stuff before using it any more?

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CaSO4 not CaS




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wrote:
Do they use the same drywall in CHina?

What caused the gas emissions (gypsum is calcium sulfide)?

They're using an industrial waste form of gypsum leftover from the
manufacture of superphosphate fertilizer. It contains lots more
impurities than natural gypsum, including a small amount of free
sulfuric acid.


Don't we test stuff before using it any more?


You don't test for problems that you are not prepared to handle. If
they tested the gypsum, they would have to find another way to
dispose of it rather than make it into drywall and sell it to us.
Or they could just fake the test results...

Bob

On Apr 5, 12:58*am, wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:03:51 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Things are so bad in American manufacturing that we cannot even make shoddy
products anymore. We have to import them from China."

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/11791

The blogger makes the point that Katrina drove folks from New Orleans to
formaldehyde-laced trailers until their new houses could be build with
Hydrogen-sulfide drywall.

God hates them.

You would think the cost to transport drywall from China would
outweight the cost to make it here. *It's heavy, bulky, and not a
costly product. It also seems like it would not be the hardest thing
to manufacture. *Some gypsum, some paper, and a press to make it.
That surely does not seem like anything that should even need to be
imported. Why was it imported in the first place? *

The housing bubble created a huge demand for the stuff. Add a couple
of bad hurricanes and there wasn't supply to meet demand so they
looked elsewhere. AFAIK, the problem is pretty limited in scope. Not
good for those with the problem drywall, but not one of the greatest
problems facing us either.

On Apr 5, 1:58*am, wrote:
You would think the cost to transport drywall from China would
outweight the cost to make it here. *It's heavy, bulky, and not a
costly product. It also seems like it would not be the hardest thing
to manufacture. *Some gypsum, some paper, and a press to make it.
That surely does not seem like anything that should even need to be
imported. Why was it imported in the first place?

Because out of control labor unions have made it so that people won't
work factory jobs for less than $60,000 a year here in the USA. That
alone makes it more profitable to manufacture overseas.

On 4/4/2010 7:19 PM spake thus:

Do they use the same drywall in CHina?

What caused the gas emissions (gypsum is calcium sulfide)?

Don't we test stuff before using it any more?

Before asking that question, you might look in the mirror. After all,
it's because of the free-market-uber-alles, deregulation,
get-gubmint-off-my-back types like you that we have toothless regulatory
agencies and a free-for-all market where all kinds of **** gets sold
without adequate testing.


--
You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it.

- a Usenet "apology"

On Apr 5, 2:13*pm, wrote:
On Apr 5, 1:58*am, wrote:

You would think the cost to transport drywall from China would
outweight the cost to make it here. *It's heavy, bulky, and not a
costly product. It also seems like it would not be the hardest thing
to manufacture. *Some gypsum, some paper, and a press to make it.
That surely does not seem like anything that should even need to be
imported. Why was it imported in the first place?

Because out of control labor unions have made it so that people won't
work factory jobs for less than $60,000 a year here in the USA. That
alone makes it more profitable to manufacture overseas.

==
THAT has to be one of the more stupid postings that I have seen in
some time. If employers had paid fair wages and had provided healthy
workplace surroundings years ago, the labor unions would not have been
necessary. There was a need for labor unions then and there is still a
need as long as business prefers semi-slave labor to create their
wealth for them.

I have worked union shop jobs as well as non-union ones and believe me
there are many businesses that don't deserve to exist let alone profit
from the efforts of others. If you want inferior drywall from China
and elsewhere, then suffer the consequences of your choice.

==

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 4/4/2010 7:19 PM spake thus:

Do they use the same drywall in CHina?

What caused the gas emissions (gypsum is calcium sulfide)?

Don't we test stuff before using it any more?

Before asking that question, you might look in the mirror. After all,
it's because of the free-market-uber-alles, deregulation,
get-gubmint-off-my-back types like you that we have toothless
regulatory agencies and a free-for-all market where all kinds of ****
gets sold without adequate testing.

For TEN YEARS we had to live without Silicone breast implants because the
GOVERNMENT said they were bad for us. Thousands of women were doomed to
spinsterhood and millions of men were deprived of a simple pleasure because
of the nanny-state mentality.

Choosing between "Trust the government" or "Caveat emptor," I'll go with my
own evaluations every time.

On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 18:53:46 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 4/4/2010 7:19 PM spake thus:

Do they use the same drywall in CHina?

What caused the gas emissions (gypsum is calcium sulfide)?

Don't we test stuff before using it any more?

Before asking that question, you might look in the mirror. After all,
it's because of the free-market-uber-alles, deregulation,
get-gubmint-off-my-back types like you that we have toothless
regulatory agencies and a free-for-all market where all kinds of ****
gets sold without adequate testing.

For TEN YEARS we had to live without Silicone breast implants because the
GOVERNMENT said they were bad for us. Thousands of women were doomed to
spinsterhood and millions of men were deprived of a simple pleasure because
of the nanny-state mentality.

Choosing between "Trust the government" or "Caveat emptor," I'll go with my
own evaluations every time.


I agree, wholeheartedly. Sometimes a man just has to feel things out.
Then decide what is best.

*+-They're using an industrial waste form of gypsum leftover from the
*+-manufacture of superphosphate fertilizer. It contains lots more
*+-impurities than natural gypsum, including a small amount of free
*+-sulfuric acid.

Wow. That certainly explains everything.
Although, yeah, who expected it.

DO they use gypsum in CHina?

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*+-looked elsewhere. AFAIK, the problem is pretty limited in scope. Not
*+-good for those with the problem drywall, but not one of the greatest
*+-problems facing us either.

It is unsettling and makes you more careful in the future


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*+-Before asking that question, you might look in the mirror. After all,
*+-it's because of the free-market-uber-alles, deregulation,
*+-get-gubmint-off-my-back types like you that we have toothless regulatory
*+-agencies and a free-for-all market where all kinds of **** gets sold
*+-without adequate testing.

Insurers and lenders used to mandate UL testing.

Look, it wasn't long ago fire unions insisted we use all that cheap
plentiful asbestos they found in Vermont in the 1920s. And then it
was so cheap, they added it into just about everything. Or all that
spray-into-wall foam that emitted formaldehyde in the 1970s to save
energy. ot to mention how the insulation kept the radon in. Or now,
the granite tops that emit radon.

I once saw someone say you should buy a house between five and twenty
years old, because the worst bugs show up in the first five years.

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*+-I have worked union shop jobs as well as non-union ones and believe me
*+-there are many businesses that don't deserve to exist let alone profit
*+-from the efforts of others. If you want inferior drywall from China
*+-and elsewhere, then suffer the consequences of your choice.


My uncle bought a car in 1975 from a dealer who lied through his
teeth. In three years, that dealer was out of business. My dad bought
a car from another dealer in 1978. That dealer treatd my dad like his
own dad. Now, father and son used to eat at the place my dad was a
waiter. But the dealer my dad bought from existed for decades befoe
and decades later. I know several people who have bought cars from the
guy who sold to my dad, and they all speak the same way. That's why he
is still in business. (And yea, that dealer has tradtionally supplied
the city with limousines for top officials.)

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On Wed, 7 Apr 2010 00:52:13 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:


*+-looked elsewhere. AFAIK, the problem is pretty limited in scope. Not
*+-good for those with the problem drywall, but not one of the greatest
*+-problems facing us either.

It is unsettling and makes you more careful in the future

How is being careful going to protect you against risks that are unknown? Your
previous post (VT asbestos, urea foam, etc.) shows this to be foolish.

*+-Before asking that question, you might look in the mirror. After all,
*+-it's because of the free-market-uber-alles, deregulation,
*+-get-gubmint-off-my-back types like you that we have toothless regulatory
*+-agencies and a free-for-all market where all kinds of **** gets sold
*+-without adequate testing.

When my dad and my mom's dad hid Jews from the nazis, they blatantly
violated the regulations in force. What is more regulated than a communist
country, China? The problem is abritrageable, casuistrable, contradictory,
unpredictable, inconsistent, capricious regulations that force people to
ignore them just to survive. This is what happened in the financial crisis:
GLB99 didn't unite the regulators, creating wild misincentives. When we trust
only in human power, in human government, immorality is inevitable. CHina
today acts like Hitler and Stalin in thinking it all depends on them. But, we
also need to beg the distinction between the situation ethics of Ollie North
who expected beautification for breaking the rules and Admiral Poindexter who
was willing to go to jail for what he felt was right.

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