If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

I don't know how accurate the above assessment is; I understand there is
a new mandate from EPA but I've not read it specifically.

IMO, if so, it's one of those that folks just simply should use the
power of numbers and silence and rebel by simply not paying any
attention to the Feds on their own places. They simply cannot
effectively enforce such silliness unless people do become sheeple.

Of course, use reasonable work habits, etc., ...

There's a point at which folks simply have to say "enough's enough and
we're _not_ taking it anymore...

--

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
.. .

Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

So how many lead paint chips do you figure you swallowed as an infant?
Couple of pounds worth would be my guess, judging by the evidence....

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception
is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for
the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp
the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses,
plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple,
cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

I don't know how accurate the above assessment is; I understand there is a
new mandate from EPA but I've not read it specifically.

IMO, if so, it's one of those that folks just simply should use the power
of numbers and silence and rebel by simply not paying any attention to the
Feds on their own places. They simply cannot effectively enforce such
silliness unless people do become sheeple.

Of course, use reasonable work habits, etc., ...

There's a point at which folks simply have to say "enough's enough and
we're _not_ taking it anymore...


*It applies to homes built before 1978. They have been running classes in
NJ for several months now for anyone who wants the certification. I have no
idea how this will be enforced unless they are making the local building
departments be responsible.

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
.. .
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint
you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft
outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the
above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY
exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home
certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are
only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code.
$300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber
stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food
expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple,
cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are
on the
loose to help destroy the US.

Why not just teach the kids to not lick the paint?

--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'

-Mark Twain
..

"DGDevin" wrote in message
m...

"Michael Dobony" wrote in message
.. .

Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

So how many lead paint chips do you figure you swallowed as an
infant? Couple of pounds worth would be my guess, judging by the
evidence....


Lead and mercury in the environment are two of the leading causes
of democrats. You'd think the government would encourage their
use to perpetuate the democrat party.

--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'

-Mark Twain
..

Michael Dobony wrote the following:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.


What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
i.e. Bush?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other
words, contractors.

The annual fee for getting certifed is a measly $300.

The law requires that contractors provide homeowners with a brochure
from the EPA about the risks of leak. Then they must mask off the area
where they're working and clean up after themselves. That's pretty
much it.

So stop listening to radio talks shows that blow this out of
proportion. It's a fairly simple law that protects children and
requires minimal extra work by contractors. Basically makes them clean
up after themselves when digging into lead painted areas.

If anybody on the board cares about getting the facts instead of these
hysterical rants, all they have to do is go to EPA.gov. It's all
there.


On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:50:15 -0500, Michael Dobony
wrote:

If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside
PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception
is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified
lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for
the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp
the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses,
plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple,
cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

I don't know how accurate the above assessment is; I understand there is
a
new mandate from EPA but I've not read it specifically.

IMO, if so, it's one of those that folks just simply should use the
power
of numbers and silence and rebel by simply not paying any attention to
the
Feds on their own places. They simply cannot effectively enforce such
silliness unless people do become sheeple.

Of course, use reasonable work habits, etc., ...

There's a point at which folks simply have to say "enough's enough and
we're _not_ taking it anymore...


*It applies to homes built before 1978. They have been running classes in
NJ for several months now for anyone who wants the certification. I have
no
idea how this will be enforced unless they are making the local building
departments be responsible.

This sounds like something that further encourages
unlicensed/unpernitted activity.
This is lead, not plutonium. These people need to get a grip on
reality.


*The funny thing is that an inexperienced homeowner can work on his own
residence without the license, but not on a rental property.

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

Geez, dude. Guys like you are called male hysterics, 'cause you all
act like you've got a problem with your hormones. Learn to address
your PMS, willya?

Anyhow, to address your hysteria over the EPA rules:

1. It exempts homeowners.

2. It's an eight-hour class. BFD. Over 50,000 renovators have been
certified already and there are trainers offering classes all over the
US. So unless you've got a emergency project, it should be no big deal
to wait a little longer *if necessary* to get a certified renovator.
If it is an emergency, you and your buddies can legally DIY.

http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/lead/pubs/renovation.htm

Crack a brewski and calm yourself down, for pete's sake.

It is actually a big issue, and very few people seem to know about it -
especially contractors.

The short version is basically that as of Aprill 22, 2010, anyone who does
work for compensation who is working on a residentially property built
before 1978, and who either disturbs (scraps, sands, etc.) more than 6
square feet of paint on the interior or 20 square feet of paint on the
exterior, or does any demolition, or does any window replacements, must be a
certified lead renovator and must follow certain procedures etc. This
includes landlords who do their own work on residential properties that they
own and rent out.

If I can find the links to the actual law, I'll post them.

In the meantime, here is a link to 16 short videos about the new lead-based
paint renovation rules:

http://www.realtor.org/government_af...t_realtors_faq

The link is from the National Association of Realtors website.

Among the videos, there is one that is near the end that is particularly
interesting. It's the one entitled, "Is it possible to avoid this rule?"

It says that if a home was built after 1950, the is a very good chance that
the home has no lead-based paint in the interior. The reason is that most
paint manufacturers stopped producing lead-based interior paint beginning in
1950. In 1960, most paint manufacturers stopped manufacturing lead-based
exterior paint.

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft
outside PERIOD! No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more
than the above dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010.
The ONLY exception is if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to
get your home certified lead free by a certified contractor. With 28
days to go there are only 10 various certified contractors within 100
miles of my zip code. $300 for the application, which takes 6 weeks
for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the application, $100 for the
8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus about $1,000
minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective, timely
option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the loose
to help destroy the US.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:59:11 -0500, RickMeister wrote:

Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other
words, contractors.

Yeah, that was the way I'd heard it, too.

Wonder if there's an exemption for working on 'new work' done on a
property dating from before 1978? e.g. if someone puts up a new wall* in
a 1960's house and a contractor later comes in to work solely on that
wall, do they still have to follow the lead rules - even when they know
the area they're working on post-dates the 1978 cut-off?

* or, taking that a step further, something like an add-on room or an
adjoined garage.

It's a fairly simple law that protects children

Funny how much lead plumbing there used to be around, and we're all still
here :-) Maybe that's different, and anything in water passes through the
body, and the danger's just in airborne particles...

cheers

Jules

Same as for blaming Reagan, I think?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"willshak" wrote in message
m...

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous
President,
i.e. Bush?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

So, it costs "a measly $300" to do what you could do before
the tax? How many measly $300 would you like added to your
life?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation."
In other
words, contractors.

The annual fee for getting certifed is a measly $300.

"willshak" wrote in message
m...

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President, i.e.
Bush?

Some of my friends can still be stirred to tooth-grinding rage by Clinton
and Carter, so I'd guess it's at least half a century. No, I take that
back, I know people who still insist FDR would have declared The Socialist
States of America if he could have, so better make that a full century just
to be on the safe side.

"Jules Richardson" wrote in
message ...


Funny how much lead plumbing there used to be around, and we're
all still
here :-)

Yeah, and Obama's in the white house. . . could there be a
relationship?

--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'

-Mark Twain
..

On Mar 25, 3:56*pm, "Jay-T" wrote:
It is actually a big issue, and very few people seem to know about it -
especially contractors.

The short version is basically that as of Aprill 22, 2010, anyone who does
work for compensation who is working on a residentially property built
before 1978, and who either disturbs (scraps, sands, etc.) more than 6
square feet of paint on the interior or 20 square feet of paint on the
exterior, or does any demolition, or does any window replacements, must be a
certified lead renovator and must follow certain procedures etc. *This
includes landlords who do their own work on residential properties that they
own and rent out.

If I can find the links to the actual law, I'll post them.

In the meantime, here is a link to 16 short videos about the new lead-based
paint renovation rules:

http://www.realtor.org/government_af...t_realtors_faq

The link is from the National Association of Realtors website.

Among the videos, there is one that is near the end that is particularly
interesting. *It's the one entitled, "Is it possible to avoid this rule?"

It says that if a home was built after 1950, the is a very good chance that
the home has no lead-based paint in the interior. *The reason is that most
paint manufacturers stopped producing lead-based interior paint beginning in
1950. *In 1960, most paint manufacturers stopped manufacturing lead-based
exterior paint.



Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft
outside PERIOD! No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more
than the above dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010.
The ONLY exception is if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to
get your home certified lead free by a certified contractor. With 28
days to go there are only 10 various certified contractors within 100
miles of my zip code. $300 for the application, which takes 6 weeks
for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the application, $100 for the
8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus about $1,000
minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective, timely
option for home owners *Nobrains and his henchmen are on the loose
to help destroy the US.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

6 aquare feet in what time frame? I can do 6 square feet in 10
minutes or in one day or one week????

Just ignore the EPA and go ahead and do as you please. If one followed
all their stupid rules, one would be bankrupt quickly.

Oh, that's priceless. Just priceless.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Nonny" wrote in message
...

"Jules Richardson" wrote
in
message ...


Funny how much lead plumbing there used to be around, and
we're
all still
here :-)

Yeah, and Obama's in the white house. . . could there be a
relationship?

--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'

-Mark Twain
..

willshak wrote:
Michael Dobony wrote the following:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft
outside PERIOD! No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more
than the above dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010.
The ONLY exception is if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to
get your home certified lead free by a certified contractor. With 28
days to go there are only 10 various certified contractors within
100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the application, which takes 6
weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the application, $100
for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus about
$1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on
the loose to help destroy the US.

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
i.e. Bush?

They haven't finished on Clinton yet.

wrote:
Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other
words, contractors.

The annual fee for getting certifed is a measly $300.

The law requires that contractors provide homeowners with a brochure
from the EPA about the risks of leak. Then they must mask off the area
where they're working and clean up after themselves. That's pretty
much it.

So stop listening to radio talks shows that blow this out of
proportion. It's a fairly simple law that protects children and
requires minimal extra work by contractors. Basically makes them clean
up after themselves when digging into lead painted areas.

If anybody on the board cares about getting the facts instead of these
hysterical rants, all they have to do is go to EPA.gov. It's all
there.



There you go again. Trying to confuse the government haters with the facts. It
won't work.

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President, �
i.e. Bush?

--

Bill

Bush will get LOTS of attention when WW3 starts in the mid east
compliments to bushes removing saddam h...........

after this we will all be too busy just trying to survive to care any
more about bush, who as a secret service protected X president will be
safe and sound in cheyene mountain........

On Mar 25, 10:15*pm, spammer wrote:
Just ignore the EPA and go ahead and do as you please. If one followed
all their stupid rules, one would be bankrupt quickly.

If only it were that simple for a guy trying to make a living running
a sole proprietorship or small business. The faster road to
bankruptcy is to take your advice. Then you wind up with a neighbor
calling the EPA, they come out, shut you down, fine you, a hazardous
waste clean-up company gets called in, which you pay for, then the
homeowner sues you for project delays, etc.

On 3/25/2010 2:34 PM, Nonny wrote:



Lead and mercury in the environment are two of the leading causes of
democrats. You'd think the government would encourage their use to
perpetuate the democrat party.


Nonny, as I'm sure you must know, the official names of the 2 largest political
parties in the U.S. are the "Republican Party" and the "Democratic Party".

However, for their own reasons, many Republicans, including most of their
Congressional leaders, insist upon referring to Democrats as belonging to the
"Democrat" party. I'll never understand why those Republicans are so proud of
their desire to flaunt this erroneous moniker. I've never heard of a Democrat
refer to their major opposition party as the "Public" party or the "Repubican"
party or any other erroneous name.

Nonny, please inform us why this juvenile behavior seems to belong exclusively
to the party of Joe McCarthy? We await your enlightenment.

On 3/25/2010 3:22 PM, willshak wrote:

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
i.e. Bush?

As far as I know, there is no statue of limitations for Crimes Against Humanity.

On Mar 26, 8:29*am, " wrote:
What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
i.e. Bush?

--

Bill

Bush will get LOTS of attention when WW3 starts in the mid east
compliments to bushes removing saddam h...........


No matter what happens in the years ahead, some extremists will
continue to blame Bush for anything bad. Even if Iraq turns out to be
a free and stable country, he will get no credit. Of course, had
Bush simply done nothing with saddam, these same people would be
blaming him for that too. The whole world knew Saddam had WMDs
because he used them on his own people and against Iran. British,
Israeli, and Russian intelligence believe he still had them. He was
still refusing full cooperation with the UN inspectors and ignoring
the agreement that ended the first Gulf War right up until the day of
the war.. Most of the lib Democrats made many speeches outlining that
they too believed he still had WMDs and WMD programs. I can only
imagine what the Bush haters would be saying had he let Saddam stay in
power and some attack later resulted using WMDs. Then they'd be
calling for Bush's impeachment. Hindsight is always 20-20.



after this we will all be too busy just trying to survive to care any
more about bush, who as a secret service protected X president will be
safe and sound in cheyene mountain........

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

The other exception is if you DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE DOING IT!! DUH.

business as usual. no change.

On Mar 26, 12:18*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
The other exception is if you DON'T TELL THEM YOU'RE DOING IT!! *DUH.

business as usual. *no change.

Or LEARN THE FACTS.

DIY is exempt from the law.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:01:25 -0500, dpb wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

I don't know how accurate the above assessment is; I understand there is
a new mandate from EPA but I've not read it specifically.

IMO, if so, it's one of those that folks just simply should use the
power of numbers and silence and rebel by simply not paying any
attention to the Feds on their own places. They simply cannot
effectively enforce such silliness unless people do become sheeple.

Of course, use reasonable work habits, etc., ...

There's a point at which folks simply have to say "enough's enough and
we're _not_ taking it anymore...

The problem, as evidenced by the last presidential election and the trash
that is coming out of the dumbocrat congress, is that this is not a law
passed by congress, but is a sidestepping of the Constitution by the EPA.
It carries the weight of law without being constitutionally enacted. They
are planning to do the same with Cap and Trade. What do you expect when
criminals are put in charge of so many government agencies?

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:22:22 -0400, willshak wrote:

Michael Dobony wrote the following:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.


What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
i.e. Bush?

Blame your criminals that were put in charge of the various government
agencies by the unqualified and illegal president.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:59:11 -0500, wrote:

Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other
words, contractors.


Sorry, it applies to HOME OWNERS ALSO! It is also NOT a law, but a new
regulation out of the EPA bypassing the constitutional process.


The annual fee for getting certifed is a measly $300.

The law requires that contractors provide homeowners with a brochure
from the EPA about the risks of leak. Then they must mask off the area
where they're working and clean up after themselves. That's pretty
much it.


They have to file the $300 application, take the $100 class and get the
roughly $1,000 worth of equipment necessary to comply with the new
regulations.

So stop listening to radio talks shows that blow this out of
proportion. It's a fairly simple law that protects children and
requires minimal extra work by contractors. Basically makes them clean
up after themselves when digging into lead painted areas.


I got this by calling the EPA directly!

If anybody on the board cares about getting the facts instead of these
hysterical rants, all they have to do is go to EPA.gov. It's all
there.



The "hysterial rants" are based on calling the EPA!

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:50:15 -0500, Michael Dobony
wrote:

If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you cannot
touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft outside PERIOD!
No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more than the above
dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010. The ONLY exception is
if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to get your home certified lead
free by a certified contractor. With 28 days to go there are only 10
various certified contractors within 100 miles of my zip code. $300 for the
application, which takes 6 weeks for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the
application, $100 for the 8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus
about $1,000 minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective,
timely option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the
loose to help destroy the US.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC), Jules Richardson wrote:

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:59:11 -0500, RickMeister wrote:

Another example of right wing hysteria.

The law applies to "renovations performed for compensation." In other
words, contractors.

Yeah, that was the way I'd heard it, too.

Wonder if there's an exemption for working on 'new work' done on a
property dating from before 1978? e.g. if someone puts up a new wall* in
a 1960's house and a contractor later comes in to work solely on that
wall, do they still have to follow the lead rules - even when they know
the area they're working on post-dates the 1978 cut-off?


Per a call to the EPA, the ONLY exception is if you pay to have the house
inspected and certified lead free by a federally certified inspector.

* or, taking that a step further, something like an add-on room or an
adjoined garage.


If it affects anything more than 6sq indoors or 20sf outside you MUST be
certified.

It's a fairly simple law that protects children

Funny how much lead plumbing there used to be around, and we're all still
here :-) Maybe that's different, and anything in water passes through the
body, and the danger's just in airborne particles...

cheers

Jules

Call teh EPA and complain.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:56:24 -0400, Jay-T wrote:

It is actually a big issue, and very few people seem to know about it -
especially contractors.

The short version is basically that as of Aprill 22, 2010, anyone who does
work for compensation who is working on a residentially property built
before 1978, and who either disturbs (scraps, sands, etc.) more than 6
square feet of paint on the interior or 20 square feet of paint on the
exterior, or does any demolition, or does any window replacements, must be a
certified lead renovator and must follow certain procedures etc. This
includes landlords who do their own work on residential properties that they
own and rent out.


Nope, also applies to homeowners, per call to EPA and website.

If I can find the links to the actual law, I'll post them.

In the meantime, here is a link to 16 short videos about the new lead-based
paint renovation rules:

http://www.realtor.org/government_af...t_realtors_faq

The link is from the National Association of Realtors website.

Among the videos, there is one that is near the end that is particularly
interesting. It's the one entitled, "Is it possible to avoid this rule?"

It says that if a home was built after 1950, the is a very good chance that
the home has no lead-based paint in the interior. The reason is that most
paint manufacturers stopped producing lead-based interior paint beginning in
1950. In 1960, most paint manufacturers stopped manufacturing lead-based
exterior paint.

Michael Dobony wrote:
If you are not federally certified to work with lead based paint you
cannot touch ANY project larger than 6 sq ft indoors or 20 sq ft
outside PERIOD! No home owner can work on it if it disturbs any more
than the above dimensions! Rule goes into effect on April 22, 2010.
The ONLY exception is if you spend several hundred $$$$$$$$$$$$ to
get your home certified lead free by a certified contractor. With 28
days to go there are only 10 various certified contractors within 100
miles of my zip code. $300 for the application, which takes 6 weeks
for the efficient gov to rubber stamp the application, $100 for the
8-hour class, plus travel and food expenses, plus about $1,000
minimum for the required equipment. A simple, cost-effective, timely
option for home owners Nobrains and his henchmen are on the loose
to help destroy the US.

On Mar 25, 5:25*pm, "DGDevin" wrote:
"willshak" wrote in message

m...

What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President, *i.e.
Bush?

Some of my friends can still be stirred to tooth-grinding rage by Clinton
and Carter, so I'd guess it's at least half a century. *No, I take that
back, I know people who still insist FDR would have declared The Socialist
States of America if he could have, so better make that a full century just
to be on the safe side.

I still blame Lincoln for ignoring states rights & plundering the
south, We wouldn't have the intrusive government we have today if he
hadn't been such an ass. so I'd extend that a bit.

wrote:
What is the statute of limitations for blaming a previous President,
? i.e. Bush?

--

Bill

Bush will get LOTS of attention when WW3 starts in the mid east
compliments to bushes removing saddam h...........

after this we will all be too busy just trying to survive to care any
more about bush, who as a secret service protected X president will be
safe and sound in cheyene mountain........

I.
Sadaam didn't do what we wanted, so:
* We invaded his country,
* Evicted him from his homes,
* Confiscated his fortune,
* Exiled his family,
* Killed his children,
* Imprisoned his friends,
* And eventually had his skanky ass hanged

The theory was these actions would have a discouraging effect on others
similarily inclined. So far, only Libya has come to Jesus.

We may have to do it over with Iran - or at least not get in the way.

P.S.
Israel has at least four submarines equipped with cruise missiles.

II.
We need a war every ten-fifteen years to keep the tip of the spear sharp.
It's estimated that today there is no ground force commander, from sergeant
through general, that has not led troops in combat. You can't BUY that kind
of experience!

Also, we need wars to keep recruitment up. Who would become a fire-fighter
if there were no fires? Likewise, if there was never going to be an
opportunity to kill people and blow things up, who would become a soldier?
Heck, 85% of those who've served in Iraq or Afghanistan have re-enlisted at
the first opportunity. The remaining 15% were invalided out, retired, or
married harridans.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Eric in North TX
wrote Re New EPA demands for homes built
before 1978!:

I still blame Lincoln for ignoring states rights & plundering the
south, We wouldn't have the intrusive government we have today if he
hadn't been such an ass. so I'd extend that a bit.

+1 on that.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:52:01 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote Re New EPA demands for homes built before 1978!:

We need a war every ten-fifteen years to keep the tip of the spear sharp.

Very true. The only problem is that since WWII, we've lost them all.
Well, except for the invasions of Panama to arrest Noriaga and the
invasion of Granada for a reason I don't recall. Generally, we no
longer do well if the foe is bigger than 2% our size or if he is
determined.

The problem is not our fighting men, but our political leadership and
wimpy civilian culture. They betray the military every time.

That's why the rag-heads are kicking our ass.

In article ,
Vinny From NYC wrote:

invasion of Granada for a reason I don't recall.
To keep the world safe for second-tier medical students. Most of
the Americans there were at the Medical School.

--
I get off on '57 Chevys
I get off on screamin' guitars
--Eric Clapton

Vinny From NYC wrote:
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:52:01 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote Re New EPA demands for homes built before 1978!:

We need a war every ten-fifteen years to keep the tip of the spear
sharp.

Very true. The only problem is that since WWII, we've lost them all.
Well, except for the invasions of Panama to arrest Noriaga and the
invasion of Granada for a reason I don't recall. Generally, we no
longer do well if the foe is bigger than 2% our size or if he is
determined.

Uh, what war(s) have we lost? We signed a peace treaty with North Vietnam
and left the country. A year later, the North overran the South because the
perfidious Democrats in our Congress refused to send any more money to fund
the South's military.

We won in Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, and Kent State. We got a draw in six of
the nine countries on which Clinton waged war (Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia,
Serbia, Albania, Sudan, Haiti, Somolia, and Sudan).


The problem is not our fighting men, but our political leadership and
wimpy civilian culture. They betray the military every time.

That's why the rag-heads are kicking our ass.

I don't think they are "kicking our ass". We kill far more of them than they
do of us. The problem is, however, they can breed faster than we can kill
them.

On Mar 26, 7:59*am, wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:15*pm, spammer wrote:

Just ignore the EPA and go ahead and do as you please. If one followed
all their stupid rules, one would be bankrupt quickly.

If only it were that simple for a guy trying to make a living running
a sole proprietorship or small business. *The faster road to
bankruptcy is to take your advice. *Then you wind up with a neighbor
calling the EPA, they come out, shut you down, fine you, a hazardous
waste clean-up company gets called in, which you pay for, then the
homeowner sues you for project delays, etc.



Why would a neighbor know what you're doing? I always flout EPA
and other gov't rules on my projects. The projects get done in a
timely fashion without gov't interference. Win, win.