I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface, then
prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that, paint with
either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets with
TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a harder
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?

Jay-T wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface, then
prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that, paint with
either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets with
TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a harder
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?



There is a lot of misinformation and assumption about both "TSP" and
anything Zinsser, assigning almost magical qualities. I think Zinsser
originally became popular for it's stain-blocking properties, but there
are other brands just as good. Since TSP no longer contains phosphates,
I'm puzzled that people are so devoted to using it. I would clean
laminate, first, with a good, all-purpose household cleaner. Rinse
well, dry. Wipe with denatured alcohol to get the last greasy residue.
Sand...the more tooth, the better. I used Zinsser water-based primer
on laminate cab. in our bath, followed by alkyd semi-gloss paint. We
are retired couple, so not much wear and tear, but it is fine after 4-5
years. No sign of poor adhesion of paint. I recall using some Zinsser
primer .. probably shellac base .. that was pretty thick and left brush
marks. If that occurs, let it CURE well and sand lightly. Follow label
instructions - usually there for good reason.

If there is any caked-on greasy crud on cabinets, use a razor-blade
scraper first.

wrote:
Jay-T wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are
in a home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface,
then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that,
paint with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the
cabinets with TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with
Xylol. Any suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harder and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that
correct? Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?



There is a lot of misinformation and assumption about both "TSP" and
anything Zinsser, assigning almost magical qualities. I think Zinsser
originally became popular for it's stain-blocking properties, but
there are other brands just as good. Since TSP no longer contains
phosphates, I'm puzzled that people are so devoted to using it. I
would clean laminate, first, with a good, all-purpose household
cleaner. Rinse well, dry. Wipe with denatured alcohol to get the
last greasy residue. Sand...the more tooth, the better. I used
Zinsser water-based primer on laminate cab. in our bath, followed by
alkyd semi-gloss paint. We are retired couple, so not much wear and
tear, but it is fine after 4-5 years. No sign of poor adhesion of
paint. I recall using some Zinsser primer .. probably shellac base
.. that was pretty thick and left brush marks. If that occurs, let
it CURE well and sand lightly. Follow label instructions - usually
there for good reason.
If there is any caked-on greasy crud on cabinets, use a razor-blade
scraper first.

Thanks. All good suggestions. I already bought a quart of the Zinsser
shellac-based primer yesterday and the instructions say it dries to the
touch in 15 minutes and can be recoated in 45 minutes. So, maybe the fast
dry times is what makes it get gunked up. Maybe I'll test it on something
else first.

I thought I had read somewhere a while back that TSP doesn't go well with
shellac for some reason -- I don't know why. Maybe that's why the
instructions say to not use TSP with it.

I'm glad to hear that your paint job from 4 or 5 years ago seems to have
held up okay. If mine holds up anywhere near that long, I'd be satisfied.
I've been tempted to replace all of the cabinets anyway, but they are all
made of very strong solid wood throughout and in good shape. I've been
overdoing the fixup of the rest of the house so I need to stop somewhere and
get it rented.

Do you happen to know why you chose alkyd paint or what it is about alkyd
paint that would make it a better choice? I'll probably do a Google search
on alkyd paint and see what it says it is used for etc.

Thanks again.

On Dec 25, 9:55*am, "Jay-T" wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. *They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface, then
prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. *After that, paint with
either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets with
TSP. *One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. *Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a harder
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. *Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?

Cabinets can he hard to paint and make it work because the grease from
hands gets imbedded in the finish. A plastic laminate? Plastics can be
hard to bond to even clean. I would go to a real paint store and talk
primers. XIM is plastic primer, I would probably after washing the
cabinets remove grease with Laquer thinner or similar. There could be
nothing worse than having a finished job where the paint comes off
with your fingernails around the knobs

On Dec 25, 9:55*am, "Jay-T" wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. *They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface, then
prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. *After that, paint with
either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets with
TSP. *One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. *Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a harder
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. *Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?


I've gotten good results by just a light 600 grit sanding, really not
more than a minute of sanding per door. Then I clean the dust/grease
off with some naptha or mineral spirits. Then I paint with Rustoleaum
oil-based enamel and a mini foam roller (those new foam rollers that
look like a cigar tube). The trick is to get evrything painted
quickly so that any lapping is over really wet areas. If you let
anything dry, even for a minute, then lap over it you will cause a
mark. I use this method because there is nothing I hate doing worse
than spray painting, the foam rollers worked great with oil enamel.
Oil based enamel will bond to laminate well.

ransley wrote in
:

On Dec 25, 9:55*am, "Jay-T" wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. *They are
in
a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface,
then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. *After that,
paint with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets
wit
h
TSP. *One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. *Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harde
r
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. *Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?

Cabinets can he hard to paint and make it work because the grease from
hands gets imbedded in the finish. A plastic laminate? Plastics can be
hard to bond to even clean. I would go to a real paint store and talk
primers. XIM is plastic primer, I would probably after washing the
cabinets remove grease with Laquer thinner or similar. There could be
nothing worse than having a finished job where the paint comes off
with your fingernails around the knobs


I don't know about on plastic but that XIM stuff appears to be the bomb.
Appropriately pricey.

Some may recall but early last summer I had posted that I had to repaint
some metal garage doors that bake in the afternoon sun in the south.
Eventually went to Sherwin Williams and asked them about it. They gave me
XIM. TSP'd with scrub brush, primed and painted it with 100% acrylic
latex. Today it looks like the day it was painted with no signs of
fading, peeling, etc.

wrote:

Since TSP no longer contains phosphates...

Nonsense! That's like saying H2O doesn't contain water.

http://www.amazon.com/Savogran-10621.../dp/B0001GOGQW

Jon

Jon Danniken wrote:
wrote:
Since TSP no longer contains phosphates...

Nonsense! That's like saying H2O doesn't contain water.

http://www.amazon.com/Savogran-10621.../dp/B0001GOGQW

Jon


They also have "non phosphate TSP" ... must be what I last used.
Thought phosphates were banned in all of US. Who knew )

On Dec 25, 7:01*pm, Red Green wrote:
ransley wrote :





On Dec 25, 9:55*am, "Jay-T" wrote:
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. *They are
in
a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface,
then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. *After that,
paint with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets
wit
h
TSP. *One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. *Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harde
r
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. *Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?

Cabinets can he hard to paint and make it work because the grease from
hands gets imbedded in the finish. A plastic laminate? Plastics can be
hard to bond to even clean. I would go to a real paint store and talk
primers. XIM is plastic primer, I would probably after washing the
cabinets remove grease with Laquer thinner or similar. There could be
nothing worse than having a finished job where the paint comes off
with your fingernails around the knobs

I don't know about on plastic but that XIM stuff appears to be the bomb.
Appropriately pricey.

Some may recall but early last summer I had posted that I had to repaint
some metal garage doors that bake in the afternoon sun in the south.
Eventually went to Sherwin Williams and asked them about it. They gave me
XIM. TSP'd with scrub brush, primed and painted it with 100% acrylic
latex. Today it looks like the day it was painted with no signs of
fading, peeling, etc.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

For plastic XIM is the first product SW or anyone that knows products
would recommend, plastic is what the original XIM was made for, XIM is
pricey but even the cans show a maybe 6 month shelf life, they made a
product that works. A Laminate in a kitchen is a risky job as its
likely greasy plastic.

Just a follow-up.....

I bought some TSP at Home Depot and some ammonia at a supermarket (As
someone mentioned, Home Depot and Lowes don't sell ammonia -- duh).

My plan was to clean the cabinets first with TSP (which I never used before)
and then do a final cleaning with ammonia to get the TSP residue off before
painting with the shellac-based Zinsser B-I-N primer.

Well, after cleaning with the TSP, I couldn't believe how good the cabinets
look. They look so good that I don't even need to paint them, so I can skip
that altogether. The "before" cabinets were covered with grease and crud
and looked awful. But, the "after" cabinets look fine as is.

I had no idea that TSP would work so well. It just seemed to dissolve the
grease and crud like it was a perfect solvent for both. Amazing.


"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface, then
prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that, paint with
either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets with
TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a harder
and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?

You can still buy TSP? I haven't seen it in years.

nate

Jay-T wrote:
Just a follow-up.....

I bought some TSP at Home Depot and some ammonia at a supermarket (As
someone mentioned, Home Depot and Lowes don't sell ammonia -- duh).

My plan was to clean the cabinets first with TSP (which I never used
before) and then do a final cleaning with ammonia to get the TSP residue
off before painting with the shellac-based Zinsser B-I-N primer.

Well, after cleaning with the TSP, I couldn't believe how good the
cabinets look. They look so good that I don't even need to paint them,
so I can skip that altogether. The "before" cabinets were covered with
grease and crud and looked awful. But, the "after" cabinets look fine
as is.

I had no idea that TSP would work so well. It just seemed to dissolve
the grease and crud like it was a perfect solvent for both. Amazing.


"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are in
a home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface,
then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that, paint
with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets
with TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol.
Any suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harder and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?




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Yep, I got it at Home Depot in the paint department where they have all
kinds of solvents and cleaners.

The strange thing is that they sell all of that strong stuff, but they don't
sell ammonia -- even in their section for household cleaners -- but I can
buy ammonia in any supermarket. Yet, Home Depot sells Zinsser B-I-N which
is a shellac-based primer and which says on the label to use ammonia for
cleaning brushes and rollers after use.


"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
You can still buy TSP? I haven't seen it in years.

nate

Jay-T wrote:
Just a follow-up.....

I bought some TSP at Home Depot and some ammonia at a supermarket (As
someone mentioned, Home Depot and Lowes don't sell ammonia -- duh).

My plan was to clean the cabinets first with TSP (which I never used
before) and then do a final cleaning with ammonia to get the TSP residue
off before painting with the shellac-based Zinsser B-I-N primer.

Well, after cleaning with the TSP, I couldn't believe how good the
cabinets look. They look so good that I don't even need to paint them,
so I can skip that altogether. The "before" cabinets were covered with
grease and crud and looked awful. But, the "after" cabinets look fine as
is.

I had no idea that TSP would work so well. It just seemed to dissolve
the grease and crud like it was a perfect solvent for both. Amazing.


"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are in a
home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the surface,
then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After that, paint
with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the cabinets
with TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them with Xylol. Any
suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harder and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?




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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
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"Jay-T" wrote in
:

Yep, I got it at Home Depot in the paint department where they have
all kinds of solvents and cleaners.

The strange thing is that they sell all of that strong stuff, but they
don't sell ammonia -- even in their section for household cleaners --
but I can buy ammonia in any supermarket. Yet, Home Depot sells
Zinsser B-I-N which is a shellac-based primer and which says on the
label to use ammonia for cleaning brushes and rollers after use.


"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
You can still buy TSP? I haven't seen it in years.

nate

Jay-T wrote:
Just a follow-up.....

I bought some TSP at Home Depot and some ammonia at a supermarket
(As someone mentioned, Home Depot and Lowes don't sell ammonia --
duh).

My plan was to clean the cabinets first with TSP (which I never used
before) and then do a final cleaning with ammonia to get the TSP
residue off before painting with the shellac-based Zinsser B-I-N
primer.

Well, after cleaning with the TSP, I couldn't believe how good the
cabinets look. They look so good that I don't even need to paint
them, so I can skip that altogether. The "before" cabinets were
covered with grease and crud and looked awful. But, the "after"
cabinets look fine as is.

I had no idea that TSP would work so well. It just seemed to
dissolve the grease and crud like it was a perfect solvent for both.
Amazing.


"Jay-T" wrote in message
...
I am going to be painting some laminate kitchen cabinets. They are
in a home that I own that I will be renting out.

My plan is to clean the cabinets, probably lightly sand the
surface, then prime with Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer. After
that, paint with either latex-based or oil-based paint.

The Zinsser B-I-N shellac-based primer says to not clean the
cabinets with TSP. One website I found suggested cleaning them
with Xylol. Any suggestions on what to use for the cleaning part?

I assume that oil-based paint would be better and would result in a
harder and more durable finish than latex-based paint. Is that
correct?

Any other suggestions or thoughts on how to go about doing this?




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I guess they don't wanna sell, or maybe store, ammonia and fertilizer in
the same place? Isn't that what's used to make an explosive? Could be way
off on that. Just a thought.