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On Dec 17, 5:26*pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote: The French are not stupid. When it comes to doing business, the Germans can be difficult but the French are impossible. Lew I once met a beautiful French woman. I was fascinated by her beauty...till I saw the hairy armpits and legs and smelled the Gauloises on her clothes. |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:39:22 -0500, J. Clarke wrote:
I used to have an X1/9. Heh, I find myself playing "spot the car" in the US, having grown up on the other side of the Pond. Saw my first X1/9 on US soil last year, one "proper" Mini so far (not the crappy modern BMW version), a 2CV a couple of months ago... quite a few VW bugs, of course. A few MG Midgets (but with the ****ty rubber bumpers that they were forced to have in the US) Not at all like my one Toyota I've had a major hankering after a first-generation Celica for a few months... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing! I really want a Jensen FF, but that's waiting until I win the lottery cheers Jules |
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Leon wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message m... J. Clarke wrote: John Silber, former president of Boston College, was asked what one thing could be done to improve the quality of education in America. He answered: "Abolish colleges of education." Sounds exactly like the typical "former" employee with an ax to grind would say. I'd say get rid of public education and all the bureaucracy that come with it. Privatize it. Yep. If universal education is felt to be a worthwhile goal, give out vouchers. Oh, and before you shrug off John Silber as a disgruntled ex-employee, you might check his Wikipedia entry. I just did and I see I made a mistake: He was president of Boston University, not College. |
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Robatoy wrote:
I once met a beautiful French woman. I was fascinated by her beauty...till I saw the hairy armpits and legs and smelled the Gauloises on her clothes. Early 70's Germany, bathes taken once a week, maybe; German nightclub in the dead of winter, dancing, everyone wearing wool, deodorant apparently an "American thing" ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:55:40 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
wrote: On Dec 17, 4:42*pm, The Daring Dufas wrote: wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:57:35 -0800, Smitty Two wrote: In article , Swingman wrote: Jules wrote: They'll build what they're paid to build, no more and no less. There are talented folk there, same as anywhere else They are excellent copy cats, but there is NOTHING like European engineering for built-in quality, from handsaws and screwdrivers, to spaceships. The Europeans have yet to make a reliable car. Au Contraire - they make VERY reliable cars. You can rely on them to make trouble when they are most needed. That said, one of the least troublesome cars I ever owned - and the price was definitely right on top of it all, was a 1972 Vauxhaul Viva HC - sold in Canada as the Pontiac Firenza. I bought it for $250 in 1979 when it was traded for a new Lada It took the typical British "fondling it's nuts" on a semi-regular basis, but the only breakdown I suffered with it was when the timing belt broke heading south out of Sydney Nova Scotia - fixed at the side of the road - and the regulator died the next day just North of Halifax. Did it have Lucas electrics? TDD Lucas electrics (as in refrigerators) are the reason the British drink warm beer. Joe Lucas - inventor of darkness |
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"Leon" wrote: Crap Lew, I am bored so I am going to come back with an answer that you are going to "owe me one" for. I'll be prepairing to duck. Why would I need an electric hot water heater? ;~) I give up. Lew |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... "Leon" wrote: Crap Lew, I am bored so I am going to come back with an answer that you are going to "owe me one" for. I'll be prepairing to duck. Why would I need an electric hot water heater? ;~) I give up. Lew "hot" water heater? I only need a "water heater". ;!) Iknow, I know, it reheats relatively hot water, but would a hot water heater work if it were full of cold water? |
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On Dec 17, 6:17*pm, Swingman wrote:
Robatoy wrote: I once met a beautiful French woman. I was fascinated by her beauty...till I saw the hairy armpits and legs and smelled the Gauloises on her clothes. Early 70's Germany, bathes taken once a week, maybe; German nightclub in the dead of winter, dancing, everyone wearing wool, deodorant apparently an "American thing" ... --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Sounds like you were around Garmisch Partenkirchen/Mittemwalt (Eibsee) area. |
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Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: Totally agree with that and I attribute the failure to poor teachers that don't give a **** and that finally led to teachers that could not find a job any where else. Long ago when teachers could step in as a parent and administer discipline he or she could actually teach. We have lost teachers that actually taught for baby sitters. Uh, you might want to actually get drunk with a few teachers sometime before you blame them. They have to do what they can with what they've got and what they've got these days isn't much (and I'm not talking about the kids, I'm talking about the rules they are required to work under). Wanna fix education, first shoot all the professors of education and all the school boards. It may differ with location but for the most part the teachers you are describing are what we had 20 years ago, but not in Houston today. Today they are asking "how to do" from the kids. Not sure what you mean by "asking how to do", however in some districts teachers are forbidden to actually teach subject matter--they are constrained when a kid asks a question to "facilitate" the kid looking it up for himself and disciplinary action will be taken against them if they actually get caught answering the question. I know it is not their fault, the teachers, for the most part the good ones are long since gone. And they are gone because they no longer want to be baby sitters instead of maintaining discipline and actually teaching. Teaching should also be considered a part of how a child is taught to act and to respect others. That does not happen any more. While I agree the restrictions/cigarettes was the root of the problem. I don't understand what you think cigarettes have to do with anything. As for restrictions, it's not just "restrictions", its a whole mass of bureaucrat-mandated bull****. That problem has decayed enough that we now can only get baby sitters/the cancer, to hold positions for any length of time. Any decent new teacher typically becomes a bad one or leaves the system. The problem is through out the whole education system now. However the teachers are not the cause. They don't make the decisions. They don't make the policies. You could staff the schools with a who's who of American leadership and they wouldn't be any better than they are now because they'd be operating under the same rules. When there's something wrong with a huge organization, it's not the peons at the bottom who are causing it. The HS my son went to was an exception to the norm, that school had "good" teachers and there was not a discipline problem. And this is symptomatic of the problem. Every parent knows that the schools are broken, but the one that their little darling went to was an exception. That public HS was by invitation only. The only requirement to be invited to attend that school was that you needed to have a "Satisfactory" average, for conduct, that's it. If a student became a discipline problem they were warned once and the second time transferred to one of the other HS's in the district. So the teachers at that school weren't any better than the ones in the other schools, they just made the problem kids somebody else's problem. So do you think that those same teachers would have done nearly as well at one of the other schools? When my son began at that HS the school had grades 9-12. In all four grade levels there were only 650 students. I would estimate that in the other 3 HS's that there were in excess of 10K and that is a very conservative estimate. Out of all of those students approximately 150 were invited each year to attend Kerr HS. And from that you conclude that the _teachers_ at those other schools are the problem? Kerr HS taught the kids how to prepare for college every day. There was no week off to study for the TAAS test, which is a Texas thing to judge how the students are coming along for their grade level. His middle school took a week every year to review for that test. IIRC the year my son graduated 95% of the students had been accepted to a college. IIRC 87% of those students had been awarded scholarships of $15K or more. And this is because the teachers were so brilliant you think. I'm certain that the education that my son received at Kerr HS played a very major roll in him transitioning so smoothly into college. I recall the 10th graders mentoring the incoming 9th graders and most of them were high achievers. Life transitioning into Kerr HS was a bigger challenge for my son than going from that HS into college. I am also certain that Kerr HS played a major part in my son getting into the Honors College his first year at the university and graduating with a 4 year average GPA of 3.87. And all of this you attribute to the excellence of the teachers and not to the district policies that allowed the school to cherry-pick students? |
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Robatoy wrote:
On Dec 17, 6:17 pm, Swingman wrote: Robatoy wrote: I once met a beautiful French woman. I was fascinated by her beauty...till I saw the hairy armpits and legs and smelled the Gauloises on her clothes. Early 70's Germany, bathes taken once a week, maybe; German nightclub in the dead of winter, dancing, everyone wearing wool, deodorant apparently an "American thing" ... --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) Sounds like you were around Garmisch Partenkirchen/Mittemwalt (Eibsee) area. Between Regensburg and Nurnberg, lived in Darshofen. Battery in Hohenfels, Battalion HQ in Grafenwoehr ... winter training/R&R in Garmisch, tough duty, that! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Jules wrote:
I've had a major hankering after a first-generation Celica for a few months... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing! I don't know which generation was which year, but when I came to the US from Australia at the end of 1977, I saw Celicas that looked considerably different from - and inferior to -- the ones I had been seeing in Australia for the past year or two. The internals might have been the same, but I much preferred the styling of the Australian ones. Perce |
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Jules wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:10:58 -0800, Nonny wrote: According to the book, "Small Wonder," the beetle was designed by Dr. Porsche I believe he "borrowed" a lot of the design from Tatra, though. And in 1961 VW paid Tatra 3 million DM for that use. IMHO, if there's any secret to VW's beetle, it was that they got lots and lots of feedback from owners bringing the car in with the little glitches. I don't think it was even that - they just kept the design mechanically simple and made it easy to swap parts out when needed. Yep. Ferdinand Porsche and Ed Heinemann would have gotten along--simplify and add lightness,. Re. windows, I think the rear split-screen ones were the earliest ones - in the 50s they dropped the split, and soon after that made the rear window a lot bigger. cheers Jules |
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... Nonny wrote: According to the book, "Small Wonder," the beetle was designed by Dr. Porsche and the basic design was so good that only refinements were made over its long manufacturing run. IMHO, if there's any secret to VW's beetle, it was that they got lots and lots of feedback from owners bringing the car in with the little glitches. If there was consistency to a glitch, like a door handle that kept breaking, VW would design a new and improved one and start using them. The product was continually refined and improved, within the limitations of the basic design or concept. I had an '71 Super Beetle and felt it was an excellent car if you overlooked the lack of heat in IN/MI winters. grin I thought there was a gasoline burning heater option for cold climate VW Bugs. TDD There was a gas heater option for one that came out a few years after mine, but it was for a top of the line VW sedan, as I recall. If I'd heard of a heater option for my '71, I sure as the dickens would have gotten it. grin -- Nonny ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated, and articulate person who has absolutely no clue concerning what they are talking about. The person is typically a media commentator or politician. |
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HeyBub wrote:
Leon wrote: "HeyBub" wrote in message m... J. Clarke wrote: John Silber, former president of Boston College, was asked what one thing could be done to improve the quality of education in America. He answered: "Abolish colleges of education." Sounds exactly like the typical "former" employee with an ax to grind would say. I'd say get rid of public education and all the bureaucracy that come with it. Privatize it. Yep. If universal education is felt to be a worthwhile goal, give out vouchers. Oh, and before you shrug off John Silber as a disgruntled ex-employee, you might check his Wikipedia entry. I just did and I see I made a mistake: He was president of Boston University, not College. FWIW, I have a friend who has a PhD in education, and is retired, not fired, so one can't claim that he is "disgruntled", who shares the opinion that the flaws in the system are inherent in the educational philosophy currently being taught in the colleges of education, and in the poltical tendency to require the schools to provide more and more social functions that are not rightly part of education. |
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On the bright side, lawyers fly too. The old V-tail is a good airplane but you can't overcome perception so the went conventional. It is my vague recollection that the V-tail was one of the early civilian planes to have a flush riveted wing and was very "clean." As a result, an inattentive pilot would be flying along and get into a very shallow dive. Before he got any shuddering, noise or other indication of speed, he would have far exceeded the "do not exceed" speed of the airframe. Eventually, he'd notice that he was going like a bat out of h*ll, and would pull back instinctively on the stick. The wings would be instantly overloaded and he'd look up to see them fluttering away. This is just a recollection from my own flying lesson days, and I can't say that I can vouch for the source. -- Nonny ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated, and articulate person who has absolutely no clue concerning what they are talking about. The person is typically a media commentator or politician. |
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More challenging, yet, to pronounce those names! I'm sure
the native born Germans do it with very little effort, but their babies probably aren't fluent until they master language skills about age of 25 or so. American kids can say "tookie!" by three or so, but German kids have to wait till age 9 to say "vesterveeetenbrznsksixenneeffersonskkinzvichmette rsvinksintinschinscherzveerbroatten" which translates roughly as "tookie" in English. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Swingman" wrote in message ... Between Regensburg and Nurnberg, lived in Darshofen. Battery in Hohenfels, Battalion HQ in Grafenwoehr ... winter training/R&R in Garmisch, tough duty, that! -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Having owned four Chryslers (three with V8-318, and one with
slant 6-215 CED engine) I nominate them for the POS category, also. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Subject Having owned two (2) Beetles and a diesel Rabbit, POS comes to mind as an apt description of VW product. Lew |
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I doubt that reading high would last for ten years.
Eventually, some meter reader would perform actual reading, and that would be the end of the schtick. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "LDosser" wrote in message ... PGE recently replaced our analog meter with a digital one. So far it does not 'phone home' to me and I only look at it when taking out the trash, but the odd thing is my usage dropped by about ten percent since they put it in. No changes at all in appliances or usage. I'm becoming very suspicious that a faulty analog meter or reader's eyeballs have been charging me an extra ten percent for years. |
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On 12/17/2009 1:27 PM J. Clarke spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: I still say that the Crown Graphic (which I have) is the single best cost-effective way for people to break into large-format (4x5) photography, even at this late date. They're still available on eBay for very reasonable prices, along with fantastic lenses. They may not be all one would want in a view camera: limited movements, no rotating back, etc. But compared to the Lexuses and Mercedes of LF cameras, relatively speaking, they're a great deal. And they were extremely well-made. And after Graflex went under, Sakai bought the tooling and continued to make them for another decade or so in Japan as the Toyo Super Graphic. And at some point in the US Singer (the sewing-machine company) bought up Graflex and made them (or had them made) under their name. Not sure how that worked out w/the Japanese co. I used to think that such things were quaint anachronisms until I found out what they could do. Never got into large format myself but one of these days . . . They're out there just waiting for you. Film and stuff is still available too. -- I am a Canadian who was born and raised in The Netherlands. I live on Planet Earth on a spot of land called Canada. We have noisy neighbours. - harvested from Usenet |
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I sense a US business man who is not at all pleased with the
Chinese at the moment. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. Keeping on top of things is the key. A friend of mine had a product made in China. He spec'ed fire-resistant plastic for the casing. As soon as his back was turned, they switched to cheaper plastic and his house (where he was storing his inventory) burned down as a result. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
"vesterveeetenbrznsksixenneeffersonskkinzvichmette rsvinksintinschinscherzveerbroatten" which translates roughly as "tookie" in English. Sorry, a search of my mind and neither term resulted a document. I'll bite ... besides, some cRapper, what's a "tookie"? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Nonny wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... Nonny wrote: According to the book, "Small Wonder," the beetle was designed by Dr. Porsche and the basic design was so good that only refinements were made over its long manufacturing run. IMHO, if there's any secret to VW's beetle, it was that they got lots and lots of feedback from owners bringing the car in with the little glitches. If there was consistency to a glitch, like a door handle that kept breaking, VW would design a new and improved one and start using them. The product was continually refined and improved, within the limitations of the basic design or concept. I had an '71 Super Beetle and felt it was an excellent car if you overlooked the lack of heat in IN/MI winters. grin I thought there was a gasoline burning heater option for cold climate VW Bugs. TDD There was a gas heater option for one that came out a few years after mine, but it was for a top of the line VW sedan, as I recall. If I'd heard of a heater option for my '71, I sure as the dickens would have gotten it. grin I think I saw them in the J C Whitney auto parts catalog years ago. Those guys carried everything in the world for vehicles back then. TDD |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: Totally agree with that and I attribute the failure to poor teachers that don't give a **** and that finally led to teachers that could not find a job any where else. Long ago when teachers could step in as a parent and administer discipline he or she could actually teach. We have lost teachers that actually taught for baby sitters. Uh, you might want to actually get drunk with a few teachers sometime before you blame them. They have to do what they can with what they've got and what they've got these days isn't much (and I'm not talking about the kids, I'm talking about the rules they are required to work under). Wanna fix education, first shoot all the professors of education and all the school boards. It may differ with location but for the most part the teachers you are describing are what we had 20 years ago, but not in Houston today. Today they are asking "how to do" from the kids. Not sure what you mean by "asking how to do", however in some districts teachers are forbidden to actually teach subject matter--they are constrained when a kid asks a question to "facilitate" the kid looking it up for himself and disciplinary action will be taken against them if they actually get caught answering the question. My son's calculus teacher asked the students , how to do, a problem, she could not figure it out. I know it is not their fault, the teachers, for the most part the good ones are long since gone. And they are gone because they no longer want to be baby sitters instead of maintaining discipline and actually teaching. Teaching should also be considered a part of how a child is taught to act and to respect others. That does not happen any more. While I agree the restrictions/cigarettes was the root of the problem. I don't understand what you think cigarettes have to do with anything. As for restrictions, it's not just "restrictions", its a whole mass of bureaucrat-mandated bull****. I was making a compairison, cigaretts/cancer, It started with restrictions, then came the bureaucrat crap and eventually the cancer spread to the teachers. However the teachers are not the cause. They don't make the decisions. They don't make the policies. Don't recall saying the teachers were the cause but they have been sucked in and have become part of the problem. The kids are more intelligent than most of the teachers these days in the HISD. You could staff the schools with a who's who of American leadership and they wouldn't be any better than they are now because they'd be operating under the same rules. That is right and the good ones eventually leave. Those that can't do anything else or are in it for the benefits remain. When there's something wrong with a huge organization, it's not the peons at the bottom who are causing it. Correct, not the cause but do become part of the problem. The HS my son went to was an exception to the norm, that school had "good" teachers and there was not a discipline problem. And this is symptomatic of the problem. Every parent knows that the schools are broken, but the one that their little darling went to was an exception. The only decent ones my son went to was the private school K-2 and the HS 9-12, the other 3 sucked. That public HS was by invitation only. The only requirement to be invited to attend that school was that you needed to have a "Satisfactory" average, for conduct, that's it. If a student became a discipline problem they were warned once and the second time transferred to one of the other HS's in the district. So the teachers at that school weren't any better than the ones in the other schools, they just made the problem kids somebody else's problem. So do you think that those same teachers would have done nearly as well at one of the other schools? Yeah they were better teachers. There was a waiting list for them to get into the school. Problem kids were few and very far in between. My son knew of "1" in the school, a frined of his, and he tas transferred out. When my son began at that HS the school had grades 9-12. In all four grade levels there were only 650 students. I would estimate that in the other 3 HS's that there were in excess of 10K and that is a very conservative estimate. Out of all of those students approximately 150 were invited each year to attend Kerr HS. And from that you conclude that the _teachers_ at those other schools are the problem? "Part" of the problem and the ones we delt with, 3-8 grades seem comfortable with that. They did not care for 3 way meetings with the principal however. Kerr HS taught the kids how to prepare for college every day. There was no week off to study for the TAAS test, which is a Texas thing to judge how the students are coming along for their grade level. His middle school took a week every year to review for that test. IIRC the year my son graduated 95% of the students had been accepted to a college. IIRC 87% of those students had been awarded scholarships of $15K or more. And this is because the teachers were so brilliant you think. I would not say brillinat so much as above average and the teachers had nothing to do with obtaining the scolarships. That was all on the kids to do the leg work. The system was totally different in that school all the way up to the principal. Teachers were allowed to teach and they did teach. And yes most all of the teachers in that school were impressive, even to the kids. Remember, the good teachers were lined up to get into Kerr. They wanted to teach there, that came out at every PTA meeting. In the other schools the teachers reminded me of typical "government workers", there for the benefits. I know that their attitudes were not all their fault, the system is to blame but many of those teachers were like many of the kids, lost. You know when the system sucks badly enough and you cannot attract good help because of that fact you settle for less than desirable to fill the classrooms. That is what I saw. I'm certain that the education that my son received at Kerr HS played a very major roll in him transitioning so smoothly into college. I recall the 10th graders mentoring the incoming 9th graders and most of them were high achievers. Life transitioning into Kerr HS was a bigger challenge for my son than going from that HS into college. I am also certain that Kerr HS played a major part in my son getting into the Honors College his first year at the university and graduating with a 4 year average GPA of 3.87. And all of this you attribute to the excellence of the teachers and not to the district policies that allowed the school to cherry-pick students? Do you call only accepting students with at least "Satisfactory" conduct grade cherry picking? Let me mention also that younger borthers and sisters were also accepted regardless of the conduct grade. Many of thse kids were not brilliant but they certainly shined when they graduated. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Having owned four Chryslers (three with V8-318, and one with slant 6-215 CED engine) I nominate them for the POS category, also. Our '02 Chrysler 300M has done 95K miles and has been very reliable. Our '96 Dodge Stratus ES (Mitsu****ty engine), however, was a whole 'nother story. Perce |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... FWIW, I have a friend who has a PhD in education, and is retired, not fired, so one can't claim that he is "disgruntled", who shares the opinion that the flaws in the system are inherent in the educational philosophy currently being taught in the colleges of education, and in the poltical tendency to require the schools to provide more and more social functions that are not rightly part of education. So what was he doing to remedy the situation? |
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Having lost sight of our objectives, we redoubled our
efforts (funding). -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... FWIW, I have a friend who has a PhD in education, and is retired, not fired, so one can't claim that he is "disgruntled", who shares the opinion that the flaws in the system are inherent in the educational philosophy currently being taught in the colleges of education, and in the poltical tendency to require the schools to provide more and more social functions that are not rightly part of education. |
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When one is under four years old, that's what it sounds when
said child asks for "cookie". The slightly longer word is what German kids have to learn, usually by age 9, to get fed. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Swingman" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: "vesterveeetenbrznsksixenneeffersonskkinzvichmette rsvinksintinschinscherzveerbroatten" which translates roughly as "tookie" in English. Sorry, a search of my mind and neither term resulted a document. I'll bite ... besides, some cRapper, what's a "tookie"? -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:16:04 -0500, "Percival P. Cassidy"
wrote: Stormin Mormon wrote: Having owned four Chryslers (three with V8-318, and one with slant 6-215 CED engine) I nominate them for the POS category, also. Our '02 Chrysler 300M has done 95K miles and has been very reliable. Our '96 Dodge Stratus ES (Mitsu****ty engine), however, was a whole 'nother story. I had an '85 and '90 Voyager, a '93 Eagle Vision TSi (Intrepid class from Jeep), a '96 Chrysler Intrepid. None of them made it to 100k mi. Definitely POS category, though I loved driving the Vision. |
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JC Whitney was also known to mess up orders, and be
completely unresponsive about repairing the mess up. Just one man's experience. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... There was a gas heater option for one that came out a few years after mine, but it was for a top of the line VW sedan, as I recall. If I'd heard of a heater option for my '71, I sure as the dickens would have gotten it. grin I think I saw them in the J C Whitney auto parts catalog years ago. Those guys carried everything in the world for vehicles back then. TDD |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:31:12 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message rs.com... On 12/17/2009 6:42 AM J. Clarke spake thus: Leon wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Your reefer may be in the same mode. Reefer? ;~) Navy talk for "refrigerator". Also a railroading term. Also trucking (same same). Also a Dope term..... Definitely not as cold. |
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Mine were 1974 Dodge Dart, 1980 Dodge van "green one", and
1979 Dodge van "white one". Think the next was 1985 "white two". After my first Dodge, I swore I'd never buy another. Three more Dodges later, I've succeeded. Now have two Chevrolet products that I drive. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: Having owned four Chryslers (three with V8-318, and one with slant 6-215 CED engine) I nominate them for the POS category, also. Our '02 Chrysler 300M has done 95K miles and has been very reliable. Our '96 Dodge Stratus ES (Mitsu****ty engine), however, was a whole 'nother story. Perce |
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On Dec 17, 7:45*am, "Leon" wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message news Over 60 years ago one of the most reliable and efficient automobiles known to mankind, and to this day the best selling car in history, hit the ground running *... the "Volkswagen". I will have to disagree with you there. *Kim and I bought a new 99 Jetta, it left her stranded on the freeway 3 times under warranty the first 18 months, and a dead battery replaced under warranty. *That was the Mexico built vehicle. *Towed into the dealership and "no problem found " on the 3 rd time we immediately traded for a German built 2000 Passat. *We almost kept it 4 years. *While we had it, it left Kim stranded 2 times, once was a faulty starter relay, the second time another dead battery replaced by me. *Then there were numerous emissions problems, the need to replace both outer tie rod ends at 30K, and the heater core at 43K. *The transmission was showing signs of failure. Traded for the 04 Accord at 47K. * Both vehicles were serviced more often than recommended by the dealer. *The 99 Jetta and 2000 Passat were serviced/oil changed at 3K *VW recommended every 10K. *After trading the Passat we got a factory letter rewording service intervals for the turbo, every 3K and with synthetic oil. *I saw that coming. I bought the VW's on their past reputation. Maybe my first VW's were a fluke but I'll probably never buy another. Sheessh, it's sad, this total failure of the educational system and the resultant ignorance! Totally agree with that and I attribute the failure to poor teachers that don't give a **** and that finally led to teachers that could not find a job any where else. * Long ago when teachers could step in as a parent and administer discipline he or she could actually teach. *We have lost teachers that actually taught for baby sitters. The true failure are the parents who do not support the teacher. When there is no value placed on education at home, there will be no learning at school. TMT |
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:51:01 -0600, "Leon"
wrote: "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message . .. "Leon" wrote: Crap Lew, I am bored so I am going to come back with an answer that you are going to "owe me one" for. I'll be prepairing to duck. Why would I need an electric hot water heater? ;~) I give up. Lew "hot" water heater? I only need a "water heater". ;!) Iknow, I know, it reheats relatively hot water, but would a hot water heater work if it were full of cold water? Why would you want electric water, whether it be hot or cold? |
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On Dec 17, 9:06*am, notbob wrote:
On 2009-12-17, Lew Hodgett wrote: Your reefer may be in the same mode. But, is paying $800 for a more efficient ....read energy conserving, not colder.... gonna save you any money? *Not likely before it dies and you need to spend another $800 another new one. * nb It will when you end up paying the true cost of the energy used. TMT |
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On Dec 17, 9:29*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *"Leon" wrote: "Swingman" wrote in message m... Leon wrote: Snip I bought the VW's on their past reputation. The "Volkswagen", the original design, is what I was talking about. Not the price point engineered models they started making to woo and placate the American consumer with the junk they prefer. Exactly! The original VW bug was inexpensive to buy, and relatively inexpensive to repair. That is hardly the same as being reliable.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The equivalent of the Ford Model T in postwar Germany. TMT |
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Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... FWIW, I have a friend who has a PhD in education, and is retired, not fired, so one can't claim that he is "disgruntled", who shares the opinion that the flaws in the system are inherent in the educational philosophy currently being taught in the colleges of education, and in the poltical tendency to require the schools to provide more and more social functions that are not rightly part of education. So what was he doing to remedy the situation? What do you think he _can_ do? It's easy to recognize that the carrier is aground. Getting it off the rocks is a lot harder. |
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On Dec 17, 9:08*am, "J. Clarke" wrote:
Leon wrote: "Swingman" wrote in message news Over 60 years ago one of the most reliable and efficient automobiles known to mankind, and to this day the best selling car in history, hit the ground running *... the "Volkswagen". I will have to disagree with you there. *Kim and I bought a new 99 Jetta, it left her stranded on the freeway 3 times under warranty the first 18 months, and a dead battery replaced under warranty. *That was the Mexico built vehicle. *Towed into the dealership and "no problem found " on the 3 rd time we immediately traded for a German built 2000 Passat. *We almost kept it 4 years. *While we had it, it left Kim stranded 2 times, once was a faulty starter relay, the second time another dead battery replaced by me. *Then there were numerous emissions problems, the need to replace both outer tie rod ends at 30K, and the heater core at 43K. *The transmission was showing signs of failure. Traded for the 04 Accord at 47K. * Both vehicles were serviced more often than recommended by the dealer. The 99 Jetta and 2000 Passat were serviced/oil changed at 3K *VW recommended every 10K. *After trading the Passat we got a factory letter rewording service intervals for the turbo, every 3K and with synthetic oil. *I saw that coming. I bought the VW's on their past reputation. Maybe my first VW's were a fluke but I'll probably never buy another. You folks who are going on about "Rabbits" and "Jettas" and suchlike are missing the point. THE Volkswagen, the Type I, aka the Beetle, aka the Porsche Type 60, was in continuous production for over 60 years with more than 20 million built, both the longest and largest production runs in automotive history. Sheessh, it's sad, this total failure of the educational system and the resultant ignorance! Totally agree with that and I attribute the failure to poor teachers that don't give a **** and that finally led to teachers that could not find a job any where else. * Long ago when teachers could step in as a parent and administer discipline he or she could actually teach. We have lost teachers that actually taught for baby sitters. Uh, you might want to actually get drunk with a few teachers sometime before you blame them. *They have to do what they can with what they've got and what they've got these days isn't much (and I'm not talking about the kids, I'm talking about the rules they are required to work under). *Wanna fix education, first shoot all the professors of education and all the school boards.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Try volunteering in a school for awhile and you will have your eyes opened. The problem starts at home. And the parents are Ground Zero for that problem. TMT |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Mine were 1974 Dodge Dart, 1980 Dodge van "green one", and 1979 Dodge van "white one". Think the next was 1985 "white two". After my first Dodge, I swore I'd never buy another. Three more Dodges later, I've succeeded. Now have two Chevrolet products that I drive. I have a 01 Dodge PU ... beginning to rethink the decision, a little late. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Leon wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: "J. Clarke" wrote in message ... Leon wrote: Totally agree with that and I attribute the failure to poor teachers that don't give a **** and that finally led to teachers that could not find a job any where else. Long ago when teachers could step in as a parent and administer discipline he or she could actually teach. We have lost teachers that actually taught for baby sitters. Uh, you might want to actually get drunk with a few teachers sometime before you blame them. They have to do what they can with what they've got and what they've got these days isn't much (and I'm not talking about the kids, I'm talking about the rules they are required to work under). Wanna fix education, first shoot all the professors of education and all the school boards. It may differ with location but for the most part the teachers you are describing are what we had 20 years ago, but not in Houston today. Today they are asking "how to do" from the kids. Not sure what you mean by "asking how to do", however in some districts teachers are forbidden to actually teach subject matter--they are constrained when a kid asks a question to "facilitate" the kid looking it up for himself and disciplinary action will be taken against them if they actually get caught answering the question. My son's calculus teacher asked the students , how to do, a problem, she could not figure it out. Could they figure it out? If so then she had done her job well. When a student can do something the teacher can't then the teacher has succeeded. I know it is not their fault, the teachers, for the most part the good ones are long since gone. And they are gone because they no longer want to be baby sitters instead of maintaining discipline and actually teaching. Teaching should also be considered a part of how a child is taught to act and to respect others. That does not happen any more. While I agree the restrictions/cigarettes was the root of the problem. I don't understand what you think cigarettes have to do with anything. As for restrictions, it's not just "restrictions", its a whole mass of bureaucrat-mandated bull****. I was making a compairison, cigaretts/cancer, It started with restrictions, then came the bureaucrat crap and eventually the cancer spread to the teachers. I'm not following you. However the teachers are not the cause. They don't make the decisions. They don't make the policies. Don't recall saying the teachers were the cause but they have been sucked in and have become part of the problem. The kids are more intelligent than most of the teachers these days in the HISD. I was more intelligent than most of my teachers through high school back in the '60s, or thought I was. I did know more about quite a lot. But they were doing what was required of them. You could staff the schools with a who's who of American leadership and they wouldn't be any better than they are now because they'd be operating under the same rules. That is right and the good ones eventually leave. Those that can't do anything else or are in it for the benefits remain. When there's something wrong with a huge organization, it's not the peons at the bottom who are causing it. Correct, not the cause but do become part of the problem. The HS my son went to was an exception to the norm, that school had "good" teachers and there was not a discipline problem. And this is symptomatic of the problem. Every parent knows that the schools are broken, but the one that their little darling went to was an exception. The only decent ones my son went to was the private school K-2 and the HS 9-12, the other 3 sucked. That public HS was by invitation only. The only requirement to be invited to attend that school was that you needed to have a "Satisfactory" average, for conduct, that's it. If a student became a discipline problem they were warned once and the second time transferred to one of the other HS's in the district. So the teachers at that school weren't any better than the ones in the other schools, they just made the problem kids somebody else's problem. So do you think that those same teachers would have done nearly as well at one of the other schools? Yeah they were better teachers. There was a waiting list for them to get into the school. Problem kids were few and very far in between. My son knew of "1" in the school, a frined of his, and he tas transferred out. How do you know they were better teachers? Do you have results of some kind of teaching competition or something? When my son began at that HS the school had grades 9-12. In all four grade levels there were only 650 students. I would estimate that in the other 3 HS's that there were in excess of 10K and that is a very conservative estimate. Out of all of those students approximately 150 were invited each year to attend Kerr HS. And from that you conclude that the _teachers_ at those other schools are the problem? "Part" of the problem and the ones we delt with, 3-8 grades seem comfortable with that. They did not care for 3 way meetings with the principal however. I'm curious about what those meetings were typically about,. Kerr HS taught the kids how to prepare for college every day. There was no week off to study for the TAAS test, which is a Texas thing to judge how the students are coming along for their grade level. His middle school took a week every year to review for that test. IIRC the year my son graduated 95% of the students had been accepted to a college. IIRC 87% of those students had been awarded scholarships of $15K or more. And this is because the teachers were so brilliant you think. I would not say brillinat so much as above average and the teachers had nothing to do with obtaining the scolarships. That was all on the kids to do the leg work. The system was totally different in that school all the way up to the principal. Teachers were allowed to teach and they did teach. And yes most all of the teachers in that school were impressive, even to the kids. Remember, the good teachers were lined up to get into Kerr. They wanted to teach there, that came out at every PTA meeting. In the other schools the teachers reminded me of typical "government workers", there for the benefits. I know that their attitudes were not all their fault, the system is to blame but many of those teachers were like many of the kids, lost. You know when the system sucks badly enough and you cannot attract good help because of that fact you settle for less than desirable to fill the classrooms. That is what I saw. So we've got one school that cherry-picked the whole system and managed to do well for a handful of kids. So how do you make that work for the rest of the system? I'm certain that the education that my son received at Kerr HS played a very major roll in him transitioning so smoothly into college. I recall the 10th graders mentoring the incoming 9th graders and most of them were high achievers. Life transitioning into Kerr HS was a bigger challenge for my son than going from that HS into college. I am also certain that Kerr HS played a major part in my son getting into the Honors College his first year at the university and graduating with a 4 year average GPA of 3.87. And all of this you attribute to the excellence of the teachers and not to the district policies that allowed the school to cherry-pick students? Do you call only accepting students with at least "Satisfactory" conduct grade cherry picking? Did they accept every student in the district who had such a grade? Let me mention also that younger borthers and sisters were also accepted regardless of the conduct grade. So what percentage of students in the district were these? Many of thse kids were not brilliant but they certainly shined when they graduated. |
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On Dec 17, 2:25*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message m... J. Clarke wrote: John Silber, former president of Boston College, was asked what one thing could be done to improve the quality of education in America. He answered: "Abolish colleges of education." Sounds exactly like the typical "former" employee with an ax to grind would say. I'd say get rid of public education and all the *bureaucracy that come with it. *Privatize it. And fine the parents for Johnny's poor performance when it occurs. TMT |
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