Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. Don't want to use hired labor. I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. Any links to
info? Thank you for your time.

trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. Don't want to use hired labor. I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. Any links to
info? Thank you for your time.

Just curious, what is the problem with using a power auger? Or even one
mounted on the back of a tractor? 4' is a pretty deep hole. Most
people THINK they have dug 3' holes and they rarely are over 30 inches deep.

s

On Apr 18, 11:18*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to.

That's the first time THAT ever happened.

*Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. *Don't want to use hired labor. *I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. *The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet.

While I can't help but admire your ambition, I think you should
consider having your head examined.

Any links to
info? *Thank you for your time.

http://www.kencove.com/fence/postdriver.php
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- gpsman

On Apr 18, 10:18*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. *Don't want to use hired labor. *I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. *The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. *I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. *There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. *Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. *I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. *Any links to
info? *Thank you for your time.

Depends; that would never work here. Well, it would, until the first
rock or root.
I bought a 3 point phd, and still the rocks are a challenge I hit some
on my last project that called for the backhoe.

trg-s338 wrote in news:da9c4f81-5202-4b29-9898-
:

Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. Don't want to use hired labor. I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. Any links to
info? Thank you for your time.


to dig 4 foot deep,

The posts will be 12 feet above ground???

How many holes?

In tough situations I've used a 5ft prybar to break up soil, pull loose
stuff out with post hole digger, repeat to proper depth. The weight of
dropping the prybar does part of the work. But then again, it takes work
to raise it.

What you are trying to do is gonna aggrivate that surgery. Wait till
you're capable, hire someone or don't do it seem to be your options.

trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to.

I've always hated using a post hole digger in hard clay. My grandfather
used the end of a heavy bar to break up the clay. I used to dump in a
bucket of water, return in an hour to remove the mud with a post hole
digger, and dump in more water.

A garden claw can make the job easier. It can be used as a sort of
drill. It has four tines and a handlebar a little like a bicycle. I
turn it to loosen the clay at the bottom of the hole, remove the loose
stuff with a post hole digger, and loosen some more with the claw. My
claw is three feet long.

On Apr 19, 3:58*pm, E Z Peaces wrote:
trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *

I've always hated using a post hole digger in hard clay. *My grandfather
used the end of a heavy bar to break up the clay. *I used to dump in a
bucket of water, return in an hour to remove the mud with a post hole
digger, and dump in more water.

A garden claw can make the job easier. *It can be used as a sort of
drill. *It has four tines and a handlebar a little like a bicycle. *I
turn it to loosen the clay at the bottom of the hole, remove the loose
stuff with a post hole digger, and loosen some more with the claw. *My
claw is three feet long.

Thank you for the input from all. I am building a permitted patio
cover in my backyard but I am trying to minimize the noise factor in
my construction because I have two neighbors who are very averse to
noise and I am trying to avoid further conflict and maintain the
peace, so to speak. I am also trying to keep costs down, hence my
wanting to do the laborious parts. The job is not such a great rush,
I suppose I could slowly chip at the work using some suggestions
previously given. I am trying to dig to 4 feet because the top 2 feet
is considered a moving/erodeable layer and the stable soil is below
that per the soils studies by the city. Thanks again.

trg-s338 wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:58 pm, E Z Peaces wrote:
trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to.
I've always hated using a post hole digger in hard clay. My grandfather
used the end of a heavy bar to break up the clay. I used to dump in a
bucket of water, return in an hour to remove the mud with a post hole
digger, and dump in more water.

A garden claw can make the job easier. It can be used as a sort of
drill. It has four tines and a handlebar a little like a bicycle. I
turn it to loosen the clay at the bottom of the hole, remove the loose
stuff with a post hole digger, and loosen some more with the claw. My
claw is three feet long.

Thank you for the input from all. I am building a permitted patio
cover in my backyard but I am trying to minimize the noise factor in
my construction because I have two neighbors who are very averse to
noise and I am trying to avoid further conflict and maintain the
peace, so to speak. I am also trying to keep costs down, hence my
wanting to do the laborious parts. The job is not such a great rush,
I suppose I could slowly chip at the work using some suggestions
previously given. I am trying to dig to 4 feet because the top 2 feet
is considered a moving/erodeable layer and the stable soil is below
that per the soils studies by the city. Thanks again.

You know, it only takes about 10 minutes per hole with the proper
equipment. A small tractor makes little noise. And during the day,
they don't really have a complaint. They could always get a job and be
gone.....

s

On Apr 19, 6:51*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:58*pm, E Z Peaces wrote:

trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *

I've always hated using a post hole digger in hard clay. *My grandfather
used the end of a heavy bar to break up the clay. *I used to dump in a
bucket of water, return in an hour to remove the mud with a post hole
digger, and dump in more water.

A garden claw can make the job easier. *It can be used as a sort of
drill. *It has four tines and a handlebar a little like a bicycle. *I
turn it to loosen the clay at the bottom of the hole, remove the loose
stuff with a post hole digger, and loosen some more with the claw. *My
claw is three feet long.

Thank you for the input from all. *I am building a permitted patio
cover in my backyard but I am trying to minimize the noise factor in
my construction because I have two neighbors who are very averse to
noise and I am trying to avoid further conflict and maintain the
peace, so to speak. I am also trying to keep costs down, hence my
wanting to do the laborious parts. *The job is not such a great rush,
I suppose I could slowly chip at the work using some suggestions
previously given. I am trying to dig to 4 feet because the top 2 feet
is considered a moving/erodeable layer and the stable soil is below
that per the soils studies by the city. Thanks again.

The noise from a gas power washer and the water stream will be
anoying since it will be a loud slow process. You will have alot more
expense than paying someone to do the job in 1-2 hours with an auger,
plus the mess you will make blasting. 4ft down unless frost is 48",
you go to maybe -35f or you have peat soil which you dont, Id say you
are overdoing everything.

On Apr 18, 10:18*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. *Don't want to use hired labor. *I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. *The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. *I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. *There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. *Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. *I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. *Any links to
info? *Thank you for your time.

You need a shovel spoon, 7' or 8' like linemen used years ago for
telephone poles. Check these out at: http://www.hydroninc.com/pdfs/180_183.pdf

Joe

On Apr 19, 7:51*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
On Apr 19, 3:58*pm, E Z Peaces wrote:

trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *

I've always hated using a post hole digger in hard clay. *My grandfather
used the end of a heavy bar to break up the clay. *I used to dump in a
bucket of water, return in an hour to remove the mud with a post hole
digger, and dump in more water.

A garden claw can make the job easier. *It can be used as a sort of
drill. *It has four tines and a handlebar a little like a bicycle. *I
turn it to loosen the clay at the bottom of the hole, remove the loose
stuff with a post hole digger, and loosen some more with the claw. *My
claw is three feet long.

Thank you for the input from all. *I am building a permitted patio
cover in my backyard but I am trying to minimize the noise factor in
my construction because I have two neighbors who are very averse to
noise and I am trying to avoid further conflict and maintain the
peace, so to speak. I am also trying to keep costs down, hence my
wanting to do the laborious parts. *The job is not such a great rush,
I suppose I could slowly chip at the work using some suggestions
previously given. I am trying to dig to 4 feet because the top 2 feet
is considered a moving/erodeable layer and the stable soil is below
that per the soils studies by the city. Thanks again.

"I have two neighbors who are very averse to noise and I am trying
to avoid further conflict and maintain the peace, so to speak"

Prior to starting the digging, bake them a cake, invite them for a
barbeque or buy the lady of the house(s) some nice flowers.

Explain to them that there will be one day of noise, two at the most.
Apologize in advance and include an invitation for a Surf & Turf
dinner on the newly covered patio once the project is complete.

If you did this for me, I'd let you make all the noise you wanted,
just because you made the effort to "keep the peace" - in advance.

On Apr 18, 11:18*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. *Don't want to use hired labor. *I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. *The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. *I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. *There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. *Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. *I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. *Any links to
info? *Thank you for your time.

I don't know how well it will work with wet clay, but I've dug 4' deep
post holes and even buried a 55 gallon drum as a dry well with not
much more than a shop vac.

Granted, I've got sandy soil with few roots, so shaving the side of
the hole with the shop vac hose was a breeze. I was able to dig the
dry well hole straight down, just slightly larger than the drum and
drop it right in. There was next to no backfill to deal with.

Well, first off no such thing exists.

Second off, I doubt you could cobble up anything workable that
involved recirculating the water. The dirty water would quickly ruin
any pump capable of producing enough pressure to do what you want that
you could afford (i.e. a homeowner-grade pressure washer). Using only
clean water, it would take THOUSANDS of gallons to burn these holes in
the ground. You think your neighbors hate you now??? Wait'll you flood
their basements with muddy water.

For a mere fraction of what just the pressure washer would cost you,
you can rent a trailer-mounted power auger that an 80-year-old woman
could operate from the local big box store. They're counterbalanced so
you don't have to lift much, and the trailer takes all the jolts from
hitting rocks. They are also far more powerful than any one-man or two-
man auger.

Even in the sandy soil I have, the one-man auger is too much. Next
time I'm renting the trailer auger, or just digging the holes by hand.

On Apr 20, 8:49*am, wrote:
Well, first off no such thing exists.


Even in the sandy soil I have, the one-man auger is too much. Next
time I'm renting the trailer auger, or just digging the holes by hand.


Thank you all for the sobering input on my "technological approach."
My neighbors are super grumpy old folks that are around all the time
in my super quiet neighborhood. I think I'll just settle for chipping
at the job of digging the holes with the bar, posthole digger, and
maybe that spoon shovel suggested by Joe and others. Maybe a half a
foot per day every couple of days over a couple of weeks might keep me
from overstraining my wrists. The sight is not situated such that I
could get a mini-loader with auger attachment or a trailer mounted
power auger in there. Thanks again.

On Apr 20, 12:41*pm, trg-s338 wrote:
On Apr 20, 8:49*am, wrote:

Well, first off no such thing exists.

Even in the sandy soil I have, the one-man auger is too much. Next
time I'm renting the trailer auger, or just digging the holes by hand.

Thank you all for the sobering input on my "technological approach."
My neighbors are super grumpy old folks that are around all the time
in my super quiet neighborhood. *I think I'll just settle for chipping
at the job of digging the holes with the bar, posthole digger, and
maybe that spoon shovel suggested by Joe and others. Maybe a half a
foot per day every couple of days over a couple of weeks might keep me
from overstraining my wrists. *The sight is not situated such that I
could get a mini-loader with auger attachment or a trailer mounted
power auger in there. *Thanks again.

The trailer mounted auger is only about 4' wide, and easily maneuvered
by hand.

On Apr 27, 12:24*pm, wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:18:23 -0700 (PDT), trg-s338



wrote:
Getting old, had bilateral Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery recently. *I
therefore cannot use the post hole digger like I used to. *Don't want
to use motorized earth auger. *Don't want to use hired labor. *I want
to dig 4 foot deep, 10 inch diameter post holes. *The soil is grey
clay, hard as a rock when dry, gooey when wet. *I was thinking about
using high pressure water via jet system of some kind to erode the
soil and a trash water pump of some sort to suck the water out as I
work the hole. I was thinking the water can be recirculated as the
soil from the pump is accumulated in some container within the
system. *There is no sense in inventing this system for my use if
there is information for this kind of tooling at a DIY price. *Would
you folks kindly give me input on aspects of this idea that I might
not have considered and suggestions on reasonably priced parts
(preferably obtainable used) I could use to cobble up such a system?
I am certain there are commercial systems such as these. *I would like
to take a look at their info just to get some ideas. *Any links to
info? *Thank you for your time.

Think DYNAMITE.........

Much easier, much better for the environment, and much more fun to
use.

Overkill was the first thought that came to mind, and anyway, I
wouldn't want my neighbors to call Homeland Secur...