I'm guessing a bird flew into one of our windows and cracked the outer
pane.

There are strips around the perimeter of the glass.
Do I simply pry those strips off to get the glass out?

writes:

I'm guessing a bird flew into one of our windows and cracked the outer
pane.

There are strips around the perimeter of the glass.
Do I simply pry those strips off to get the glass out?

Double pane?

Find the name of the manufacturer.
I had one break and found out the glass was lifetime guaranteed.
They wanted money to install it though, I did that myself.

First advice: wear gloves and be careful.

With mine, I used a flat knife to break the seals and
pulled the strips out.

Find the name of the manufacturer.

I'm almost positive it's Anderson. My father-in-law built the house,
and I'm pretty sure that's all he uses. But we don't speak any more,
so I'll have to check it out.

I actually called a "window expert" called Superior Exteriors. The
owner of the company came out to look at it, and said it's impossible
to repair or replace (it's custom, so it's stained wood to match all
the other trim). You believe that? It's impossible to fix a window.
So what? Demolish the house?

He said there are usually strips to pull off and access the glass.
Then he left. I looked again and the strips are there in plain sight,
on the outside of the window.

Window expert.

In article , wrote:


Find the name of the manufacturer.

I'm almost positive it's Anderson. My father-in-law built the house,
and I'm pretty sure that's all he uses. But we don't speak any more,
so I'll have to check it out.

I actually called a "window expert" called Superior Exteriors.

Window experts are in the business of selling windows ;-)

Call a glass expert! A good local glass company should be
able to handle the job quickly, safely, and inexpensively.

I've had several window panels replaced due to failed seals.
My friendly local glass company came and measured/quoted.
A few days later they brought new glass units and installed
them -- took 15 mins each.

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Call a glass expert! A good local glass company should be
able to handle the job quickly, safely, and inexpensively.


Okay, I called a glass company and the guy said it's really easy if I
just bring the window in. When I told him there's no way to remove
the window, he said he'd come out later and look at it.

He thought there should be release catches, but there aren't. The
window itself is wood, and the sash is vinyl. All I can see is that
you'd have to unscrew the vinyl sash from the frame.

On Feb 9, 1:34*pm, wrote:
Call a glass expert! A good local glass company should be
able to handle the job quickly, safely, and inexpensively.

Okay, I called a glass company and the guy said it's really easy if I
just bring the window in. *When I told him there's no way to remove
the window, he said he'd come out later and look at it.

He thought there should be release catches, but there aren't. *The
window itself is wood, and the sash is vinyl. *All I can see is that
you'd have to unscrew the vinyl sash from the frame.

If they are andersen like you said before, the ones I've worked on you
have to remove the vinyl track from one side of the frame and then the
sashes can come out. It's a bit of a PITA. I've had to do this on
several windows in my house to replace rotted sashes and/or
nonfunctional counterbalances.

here's an old thread where someone posted good instructions at least
for my particular windows:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...c6a196eaf70a8?

HTH

nate

here's an old thread where someone posted good instructions at least
for my particular windows:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...c6a196eaf70a8?

Thanks for that. Sounds like exactly what I have: screws on left
side only.

Either way, I'll have to wait until warm weather.
Our house is for sale. I'll have to put a note on the window to let
people know we intend to fix it.

Glass guy came out. It's going to cost $135 total, including labor.
Much less than I thought it would be.

I didn't realize that the whole double-pane "module" is a sealed unit.
I was under the impression that you pop out the broken pane and pop in
a new one.

writes:

Glass guy came out. It's going to cost $135 total, including labor.
Much less than I thought it would be.

I didn't realize that the whole double-pane "module" is a sealed unit.
I was under the impression that you pop out the broken pane and pop in
a new one.

It varies.

Mine was a garden window. The side panes are removable by pulling the
strips. The crank out pane is one unit.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:24:00 -0600, wrote:

Glass guy came out. It's going to cost $135 total, including labor.
Much less than I thought it would be.


That is a decent price for my area. Tempered dual pane would certainly
cost more. Is this a real glass shop; meaning, they cut and build the
panes on site?

I didn't realize that the whole double-pane "module" is a sealed unit.
I was under the impression that you pop out the broken pane and pop in
a new one.

Sealed with hot butyl caulk, iirc.

Glass work can get one cut real fast. Always have on heavy gloves as a
DIY.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

they cut and build the
panes on site?

No. It's Argon-filled, so they order the whole unit, and install it
onsite.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:30:19 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

they cut and build the
panes on site?

No. It's Argon-filled, so they order the whole unit, and install it
onsite.

Sorry, I should have asked it the local glass shop will build the unit
in thier local shop. Those are the folk to buy from.

On 2/9/2009 5:49 PM Oren spake thus:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:30:19 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

they cut and build the panes on site?

No. It's Argon-filled, so they order the whole unit, and install it
onsite.

Sorry, I should have asked it the local glass shop will build the unit
in thier local shop. Those are the folk to buy from.

Do local glass shops actually do that? Building sealed, noble-gas-filled
multi-glazed units doesn't exactly sound like a cottage industry.


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On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:49:09 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:30:19 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

they cut and build the
panes on site?

No. It's Argon-filled, so they order the whole unit, and install it
onsite.

Sorry, I should have asked it the local glass shop will build the unit
in thier local shop. Those are the folk to buy from.

Most local glass shops are NOT equipped to make the "thermal unit" as
they are called. There are relatively few companies that actually make
these. Your local window supplier, who would do the installation,
generally comes out and measures it and orders it from their supplier.
Some have Argon, some don't - and there is "low E" and "Low E squared"
glass.
When it comes to thermal units there are so-so manufacturers, good
manufacturers, and excellent manufacturers.

The excellent ones use a plastic spacer, not aluminum.
They use 3 kinds of mastic - one to glue the glass to the spacer, one
to seal the endges, and a third to protect the sealed edge, from what
I remember from my window company days.

So-So units last up to 5 years. Good units last at least 8 or 10, and
the excellent ones are generally good for well over 25 years.

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:15:46 -0800, David Nebenzahl
wrote:

On 2/9/2009 5:49 PM Oren spake thus:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 19:30:19 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

they cut and build the panes on site?

No. It's Argon-filled, so they order the whole unit, and install it
onsite.

Sorry, I should have asked it the local glass shop will build the unit
in thier local shop. Those are the folk to buy from.

Do local glass shops actually do that? Building sealed, noble-gas-filled
multi-glazed units doesn't exactly sound like a cottage industry.
If your local glass shop is doing it they are either VERY large, or
supplying crappy product.
The good suppliers have pretty complex equipment.

In article , wrote:
Glass guy came out. It's going to cost $135 total, including labor.
Much less than I thought it would be.

Yup. It's not too expensive if you can find a good glass
guy to replace the unit (versus the window).

I didn't realize that the whole double-pane "module" is a sealed unit.
I was under the impression that you pop out the broken pane and pop in
a new one.

Yes, and you don't need a local supplier to actually make
the unit. Just a good local guy who knows how to measure
and spec the unit. He needs a good (proven) supplier
and he needs to know how to install the thing properly.

There a still quite a few around but, if you find a good
glass guy, save his phone number for next time. Friends
and neighbors will thank you too.

BTW, chances are he'll replace your car windshield for
a good price if the need arises down the road ;-)


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On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:42:31 -0600, wrote:

I'm guessing a bird flew into one of our windows and cracked the outer
pane.

There are strips around the perimeter of the glass.
Do I simply pry those strips off to get the glass out?

I have several shops close by that will replace the insulated
glass same day. Bring it in by 10 Am pick it up after 2PM My windows
and I believe most today come out easily and you can just bring it in
and save quite a bit.

In article , wrote:
I have several shops close by that will replace the insulated
glass same day. Bring it in by 10 Am pick it up after 2PM My windows
and I believe most today come out easily and you can just bring it in
and save quite a bit.

Yeah, but some folks hate handling glass, me included!

Many years ago, following an accident with a single pane
window, I went to a local glass shop.

These people were totally geared to serving folks who had
just experienced a "glass disaster".

"Come on in, take a seat and have a nice cup of tea" the
man said. He calmly took me through the measurements,
made sure I had *all* of the materials to install the
new glass. Then he gave me excellent detailed instructions
on the installation including some great tips.

Meanwhile, another worker had cut my glass to size.
As he held it out for me, I looked a little
apprehensive and he said "Would you like me to load
it into your vehicle for you?". I responded in the
affirmative, with considerable relief!

30 years later and I still remember it well. What a
fabulous example of a business understanding their
customers and truly serving them ;-)

These people really understood that many of the
clients walking through their door were under
considerable stress and proceeded accordingly.
That's what I call brilliant!

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On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:



That is a decent price for my area.


Hmmm, according to the website, Anderson has a 20-year warranty on
glass. So maybe I'll end up paying nothing. We'll see.

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

That is a decent price for my area.


Hmmm, according to the website, Anderson has a 20-year warranty on
glass. So maybe I'll end up paying nothing. We'll see.

That would be "Andersen" w/ an "e" not "o" to be pedantic...

I've not read the warranty but I suspect it won't cover breakage that
was, presumably, from an outside source, not an inherent failure/defect
in the window.

Mostly what they're guaranteeing is the sealed unit and the actual
structural integrity. Like the "road hazard" exclusion on tire
treadwear or blowout warranty.

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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:48:29 -0600, wrote:

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:



That is a decent price for my area.


Hmmm, according to the website, Anderson has a 20-year warranty on
glass. So maybe I'll end up paying nothing. We'll see.

I'm guessing that is for the glass and gas seal... not for a bird
flying into the glass, causing a cracked pane.

Same with flying rocks from a lawn mower. Double check the warranty.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:57:17 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

That is a decent price for my area.


Hmmm, according to the website, Anderson has a 20-year warranty on
glass. So maybe I'll end up paying nothing. We'll see.

That would be "Andersen" w/ an "e" not "o" to be pedantic...

I've not read the warranty but I suspect it won't cover breakage that
was, presumably, from an outside source, not an inherent failure/defect
in the window.

Mostly what they're guaranteeing is the sealed unit and the actual
structural integrity. Like the "road hazard" exclusion on tire
treadwear or blowout warranty.

That IS correct. They are guaranteed against losing their seal and
getting condensation in them, or going "cloudy".
Breakage is not covered. If it is a BIG window, like 35 sq frt or
more, your homeowners insurance might cover it - but you WILL pay for
it in the long run.

dpb writes:

wrote:
On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:46:39 -0800, Oren wrote:

That is a decent price for my area.
Hmmm, according to the website, Anderson has a 20-year warranty on
glass. So maybe I'll end up paying nothing. We'll see.

That would be "Andersen" w/ an "e" not "o" to be pedantic...

I've not read the warranty but I suspect it won't cover breakage that
was, presumably, from an outside source, not an inherent
failure/defect in the window.

Mostly what they're guaranteeing is the sealed unit and the actual
structural integrity. Like the "road hazard" exclusion on tire
treadwear or blowout warranty.

My unit was bought at HD and made by Silver Line Building Products.
There are no conditions to the guarantee, they are covered no matter
what happened to the glass.

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:07:45 -0800, Oren wrote:


I'm guessing that is for the glass and gas seal... not for a bird
flying into the glass, causing a cracked pane.



I'm not positive that was it. The screen was still intact, and the
cracks radiate from a point right at the very edge of the glass.

Either way, $130 isn't a big deal. I'll let the glass guy decide if
it's a warranty issue or not.