On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
om...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.

That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:XcOdnQTd2OmUlrnUnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlink. com...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.

That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

Of course, the worse part of the day in phoenix is the middle of the day when
most people are out and about.

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.
That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

The hell it isn't. One can be perfectly comfortable in -10 weather with
proper cloathing. (I have a cashmere jacket that is very light and will
keep me warm down to about 15 degrees or so.) One can't be comfortable
in 115 degree weather even stark naked and dripping wet. And for a lot
of people that ain't a pretty picture. Anywhere that requires A/C to
keep you from dying of heatstroke isn't somewhere I want to live. (and
that actually includes my current residence, but I have this thing about
eating regularly, and there ain't no jobs where I grew up.)

nate

(unrepentant damnyankee)

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which
I pass between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They
don't even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is
exactly the same every day (the islands are surrounded by a one
trillion square mile heat sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.
That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

The hell it isn't. One can be perfectly comfortable in -10 weather with
proper cloathing. (I have a cashmere jacket that is very light and will
keep me warm down to about 15 degrees or so.) One can't be comfortable in
115 degree weather even stark naked and dripping wet. And for a lot of
people that ain't a pretty picture. Anywhere that requires A/C to keep
you from dying of heatstroke isn't somewhere I want to live. (and that
actually includes my current residence, but I have this thing about eating
regularly, and there ain't no jobs where I grew up.)

nate

(unrepentant damnyankee)

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

2 words: low humidity. once you get used to it, you can work outside during
the day as long as you keep hydrated.

people have lived in az for a long time before a/c was invented. for that
matter, mexico, just to our south, is even more hot and humid, and no one
told the maya that they shouldn't live there.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:24:35 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.
That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

The hell it isn't. One can be perfectly comfortable in -10 weather with
proper cloathing. (I have a cashmere jacket that is very light and will
keep me warm down to about 15 degrees or so.) One can't be comfortable
in 115 degree weather even stark naked and dripping wet. And for a lot
of people that ain't a pretty picture. Anywhere that requires A/C to
keep you from dying of heatstroke isn't somewhere I want to live. (and
that actually includes my current residence, but I have this thing about
eating regularly, and there ain't no jobs where I grew up.)

Really? You don't stay indoors with a heater when it is minus ten?

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:24:35 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.
That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?
My thought exactly!

Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

The hell it isn't. One can be perfectly comfortable in -10 weather with
proper cloathing. (I have a cashmere jacket that is very light and will
keep me warm down to about 15 degrees or so.) One can't be comfortable
in 115 degree weather even stark naked and dripping wet. And for a lot
of people that ain't a pretty picture. Anywhere that requires A/C to
keep you from dying of heatstroke isn't somewhere I want to live. (and
that actually includes my current residence, but I have this thing about
eating regularly, and there ain't no jobs where I grew up.)

Really? You don't stay indoors with a heater when it is minus ten?

I keep my indoors heated, but I don't particularly mind going outside if
something needs done, either. Besides growing up in western PA, I spent
a winter between Detroit and the YooPee, so I know of what I speak.
Minus ten might be pushing it for what I regularly experienced, but 0-10
degrees happened often. Heck, if you enjoy cross-country skiing, cold
weather is best, the snow isn't sticky. And driving is easier as well,
as you don't have that water-over-ice that happens when it's hovering
around freezing.

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
http://members.cox.net/njnagel

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:21:21 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:XcOdnQTd2OmUlrnUnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlink .com...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.

That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

Of course, the worse part of the day in phoenix is the middle of the day when
most people are out and about.
But up here in the cold we get to go out and blow snow, push stuck
cars, go skiing, skating, tubing, and all that other fun stuff. Don't
have to stay inside because you can put on enough to be warm - In
Phoenix it is impossible to take OFF enough to be cool. (even in
Novembrrrrrrrrrr.

wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:21:21 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:XcOdnQTd2OmUlrnUnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlin k.com...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which
I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They
don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly
the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile
heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.

That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!


Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

Of course, the worse part of the day in phoenix is the middle of the day
when
most people are out and about.
But up here in the cold we get to go out and blow snow, push stuck
cars, go skiing, skating, tubing, and all that other fun stuff. Don't
have to stay inside because you can put on enough to be warm - In
Phoenix it is impossible to take OFF enough to be cool. (even in
Novembrrrrrrrrrr.

not true. it's all what you get used to. i generally work outdoors in the
summertime. as long as i can keep hydrated and shaded, it's just fine. when
the temps get down to a chilly 50F, then i have to put on the heavy coat to
work outdoors.

of course, when i can paint outside at xmas time wearing shorts/no shirt and
have to worry about a sunburn is when i call everyone i know who is
shoveling snow to ask them how it is.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

On Nov 21, 1:01*pm, "charlie"
wrote:
wrote in message

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On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:21:21 -0600, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:15:29 -0500, KLS wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:50:48 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
news:XcOdnQTd2OmUlrnUnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@earthlin k.com...

A New York author once said: "The outdoors is something through which
I pass
between my apartment and my car."

The same applies in Phoenix.

If you don't want to complain about the weather, move to Hawaii. They
don't
even have weather forecasts on the TV because the weather is exactly
the same
every day (the islands are surrounded by a one trillion square mile
heat
sink). Or, you can do as I do.

Stay inside. With redundant air conditioning.

That sounds horrible! Why live in a place that you have to do that?

My thought exactly!

Uh, how is that worse than staying inside with heating?
Last time I checked, most people in northern climates stayed inside
during the winter. *Being outside in minus ten degree weather isn't much
better than being outside in 115 degree weather.

Of course, the worse part of the day in phoenix is the middle of the day
when
most people are out and about.
But up here in the cold we get to go out and blow snow, push stuck
cars, go skiing, skating, tubing, and all that other fun stuff. Don't
have to stay inside because you can put on enough to be warm - In
Phoenix it is impossible to take OFF enough to be cool. (even in
Novembrrrrrrrrrr.

not true. it's all what you get used to. i generally work outdoors in the
summertime. as long as i can keep hydrated and shaded, it's just fine. when
the temps get down to a chilly 50F, then i have to put on the heavy coat to
work outdoors.

of course, when i can paint outside at xmas time wearing shorts/no shirt and
have to worry about a sunburn is when i call everyone i know who is
shoveling snow to ask them how it is.

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

I just bought the kids their season's passes at the local slopes.
Time to get rid of them for an evening. See, there are some definite
up-sides to the snow.

You see, not only do we have about 3" of snow but the people up the
road don't think we have enough so they're making it like it's going
out of style. They get places with 15' to 20' by the time they're
done. It'll last right through to when they open for golfing.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:01:08 -0700, "charlie"
wrote:

of course, when i can paint outside at xmas time wearing shorts/no shirt and
have to worry about a sunburn is when i call everyone i know who is
shoveling snow to ask them how it is.

Of course. Should we exchange phone numbers so I can call you in
the middle of summer when I have a nice calm sunny 70F day to check on
how you're doing?

KLS wrote in
:

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:01:08 -0700, "charlie"
wrote:

of course, when i can paint outside at xmas time wearing shorts/no
shirt and have to worry about a sunburn is when i call everyone i know
who is shoveling snow to ask them how it is.

Of course. Should we exchange phone numbers so I can call you in
the middle of summer when I have a nice calm sunny 70F day to check on
how you're doing?

While most very northern summer days are pleasent, last summer I was
putting a roof on a house and it was calm, sunny and 97 degrees...in VT 40
miles from Canada. Every dog has his day.

Here in NC, roof is just plain off limits July & August. For one it's
suffering stupid. Then there's the fact of doing damage just walking on an
existing roof.