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Gas powered leaf blower???
Gentlemen;
As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. |
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bobmct wrote:
Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. The electric units work fine for the average homeowner - around the house. You are remember, tethered by an electrical cord of maybe 75" The landscape guys use the gas models BECAUSE they need to move around more than that & how many folks would let them hook up an extension wire. Got it? |
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bobmct writes:
Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Where I live we're faced with truly monumental leaf fall. I'm determined to deal with the leaves myself until I'm too old. I've tried most of the smaller equipment including electric blowers. They just don't cut it. The gas back pack blower is enough for my needs. A walk behind would be over kill. Around here the pros use a combination of one walk behind and one or more additional back pack blowers. With the back pack blower I can blow the leaves into piles then rake the leaves into a large wheeled container and then dump the leaves into a compost pile. If I had to bag the leaves I think I would invest in a shredder. |
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"bobmct" wrote in message
... Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. If you want a broad, representative sample of responses on this topic, better post it "en espanol." |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:40:20 -0400, bobmct
wrote Re Gas powered leaf blower???: I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? Forget about CR. Observe the landscape people in your area and note what brand they are using. That will tell you a lot. |
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I have a question. Why don't you just mow them in,leave them lay, and do
their job fertilizing the yard? What is peoples infatuation with removing leaves? just curious. steve "bobmct" wrote in message ... Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. |
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You might want to check out the little handheld stihl. The little one is
the bg-55 http://www.stihlusa.com/blowers/BG55.html you can find it for about $139. It should last a homeowner forever. steve "bobmct" wrote in message ... Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. |
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Steve Barker DLT wrote:
I have a question. Why don't you just mow them in,leave them lay, and do their job fertilizing the yard? What is peoples infatuation with removing leaves? just curious. Because if you don't leave at least some grass showing, it dies? Unless you mow daily, that doesn't work. When the uncompressed leaf layer is six inches thick, you CAN'T mow them- the mower stalls out. I start out mowing my leaves every fall, but when the major drop happens, it just isn't an option. I don't landfill them, though- I have a back corner with trees and chainlink fence on 2 sides, that I blow/drag them all into. They end up waist high, but by the time the grass elsewhere in the yard starts growing again in spring, they are down to six inches of mulch. I don't garden, so the next owner of this place will have several years worth of compost to play with. -- aem sends... |
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:31 -0400, Claude Hopper
wrote: All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! Get yourself a good bagging lawnmower; walk behind or riding. You have to empty often but it's the easiest to clean up the leaves. I use a mulching mower. A layer of leaves 3 inches thick just disappears, and all the little pieces fall between the grass. And it usually takes no more time than mowing the lawn takes. When I don't have a mulching mower, I tape a heavy business envelope or a piece of cardboard over the discharge chute. On another occasion, I mounted a piece of plywood across the chute, since I am happy to use mulch mode all year long. The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. (Once in a while, I mow by pulling the mower backwards, in the same pattern I usually go forwards. Because sometimes wind coming out from below the mower blows some leaves away before they are caught by the blade. This doesn't happen when I go backwards or when I pivot the mower so one rear wheel stays in one spot and the mower moves to the left or right. But if the yard is covered with leaves, this isn't necessary, and most times it isn't neceessary. Might be something to do with the humidity or something. ) |
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mm wrote in message ... The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. +1, I think they should be outlawed. All they do is blow the mess elsewhere, so someone else has to use a broom or a rake and garbage bags that the original leaf blower should have used in the first place. Cheri |
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mm wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:31 -0400, Claude Hopper wrote: All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! Get yourself a good bagging lawnmower; walk behind or riding. You have to empty often but it's the easiest to clean up the leaves. I use a mulching mower. A layer of leaves 3 inches thick just disappears, and all the little pieces fall between the grass. And it usually takes no more time than mowing the lawn takes. When I don't have a mulching mower, I tape a heavy business envelope or a piece of cardboard over the discharge chute. On another occasion, I mounted a piece of plywood across the chute, since I am happy to use mulch mode all year long. The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. (Once in a while, I mow by pulling the mower backwards, in the same pattern I usually go forwards. Because sometimes wind coming out from below the mower blows some leaves away before they are caught by the blade. This doesn't happen when I go backwards or when I pivot the mower so one rear wheel stays in one spot and the mower moves to the left or right. But if the yard is covered with leaves, this isn't necessary, and most times it isn't neceessary. Might be something to do with the humidity or something. ) Wow, you must have a monster of a mulching mower, or small leaves. I have a typical 21" mulcher with Honda 5.5 horse engine, and once I can't see the grass through the leaves, it chokes to the point of dying. That is when I know it is time to switch from mowing to the electric blower and the rake. Maybe I need a different blade for leaf duty? -- aem sends... |
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Claude Hopper wrote in
: bobmct wrote: Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! Get yourself a good bagging lawnmower; walk behind or riding. You have to empty often but it's the easiest to clean up the leaves. I've done it when I had a riding bagger. Don't let it get outta hand and it's fine. Of course that's the easiest except for repeatedly dumping the bags. Nice if you have some woods you can drive to, pull the bags and just dump. When rider era ended I've done it with an electric blower into piles as well and it works. Just make a bunch of piles, lay the bags or trash cans down and push em in. Don't consider that a waste of time. To each his own. Neither is wrong except for the other. Personally I consider sitting on ones ass watching the boob tube for hours a waste of time. Nothing to show for it except for maybe some lbs from junk food. I don't even have cable TV. |
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bobmct wrote:
Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Hi, First How big is your yard? |
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On Aug 16, 8:27*pm, Tony Hwang wrote:
bobmct wrote: Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. *How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. * Hi, First How big is your yard?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Used my hand mower for many years works well sucks up and bag slow but works |
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if they're THAT thick, then some trees need to be cut down. That's
rediculous. But as another reply said, they can be mulched in. s "aemeijers" wrote in message ... Steve Barker DLT wrote: I have a question. Why don't you just mow them in,leave them lay, and do their job fertilizing the yard? What is peoples infatuation with removing leaves? just curious. Because if you don't leave at least some grass showing, it dies? Unless you mow daily, that doesn't work. When the uncompressed leaf layer is six inches thick, you CAN'T mow them- the mower stalls out. I start out mowing my leaves every fall, but when the major drop happens, it just isn't an option. I don't landfill them, though- I have a back corner with trees and chainlink fence on 2 sides, that I blow/drag them all into. They end up waist high, but by the time the grass elsewhere in the yard starts growing again in spring, they are down to six inches of mulch. I don't garden, so the next owner of this place will have several years worth of compost to play with. -- aem sends... |
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Steve Barker DLT wrote:
if they're THAT thick, then some trees need to be cut down. That's rediculous. But as another reply said, they can be mulched in. s (snip) Hardly. I only have 6 trees or so in back (not counting the pines), well spaced over a little less than half an acre. They are just very big mature trees is all, including a couple with huge leaves. Legacy trees, that predate the 1960 subdivision- no way do they get cut down, as long as they are healthy. (Not sure of the exact species, other than the one maple) I also get some of the neighbor's leaves, due to the prevailing wind. It takes over an hour to mow the back- I'm not eager to do that every other day during leaf drop season, which is about what it would take to stay ahead of them. Plus of course I still have to hand-clear all the areas the mower can't go. I do mulch them in, until the drop rate exceeds what a weekly mow can handle. -- aem sends... |
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on 8/16/2008 8:00 PM Cheri said the following:
mm wrote in message ... The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. +1, I think they should be outlawed. All they do is blow the mess elsewhere, so someone else has to use a broom or a rake and garbage bags that the original leaf blower should have used in the first place. Cheri They are outlawed in some jurisdictions. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY in the original Orange County To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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In article ,
Caesar Romano wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:40:20 -0400, bobmct wrote Re Gas powered leaf blower???: I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? Forget about CR. Observe the landscape people in your area and note what brand they are using. That will tell you a lot. I found when I read CR about stuff I knew a lot about their advice was crap Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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In article ,
Claude Hopper wrote: Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! On my yard I use a hay rake, it windrows the leaves nicely and if I get a bit of rain it compacts them and makes it easy to put lots on my carry-all and move to the mulch pile. I probably should try baling them Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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On Aug 16, 2:40*pm, bobmct wrote:
Gentlemen; As that time nears and I cannot afford to hire someone this year to rake/blow all the leaves in my yard, I am destined to accomplish this unpleasant feat by myself. As I already have a Toro electric blower which is good for small things, the pros seem to use a wheeled gas powered blower to move them enmass to a huge pile for bagging/disposal. I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. *How can this be? For any of you readers who have first hand experience I would appreciate any comparisons that can be provided regarding electric, gas backpack or gas wheeled? All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. * I would suggest that buying a gasoline engined tool to use for one job a year is not a really great idea. After a couple of years, you likely will be facing a gummed up fuel system and a real bother to use. It also will likely be marginal utility, unless you buy a true professional model. If your electric is not enough then hire someone who has the big industrial equipment, or as I do, mulch the leaves. It really is far better for most lawns. It adds organic matter and feeds the lawn. Note: This does not apply to all parts of the world. In some areas you do need to get the leaves, but frankly most people who rake, should not. |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:10:58 -0500, nick hull wrote Re
Gas powered leaf blower???: In article , Caesar Romano wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:40:20 -0400, bobmct wrote Re Gas powered leaf blower???: I've just looked at Consumers Reports and they rate (on their scale) a Toro Electric the same as a gas powered wheeled blower. How can this be? Forget about CR. Observe the landscape people in your area and note what brand they are using. That will tell you a lot. I found when I read CR about stuff I knew a lot about their advice was crap Ditto. That's why I gave up on them a long time ago. |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:24 -0500, nick hull wrote Re
Gas powered leaf blower???: In article , Claude Hopper wrote: Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! On my yard I use a hay rake, it windrows the leaves nicely and if I get a bit of rain it compacts them and makes it easy to put lots on my carry-all and move to the mulch pile. I probably should try baling them Now that's an interesting idea. I've seen baled pine needles for sale. I'll bet if you can get leaves into a bale someone in the 'burbs will buy it. |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:16:11 GMT, aemeijers wrote:
mm wrote: The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. (Once in a while, I mow by pulling the mower backwards, in the same pattern I usually go forwards. Because sometimes wind coming out from below the mower blows some leaves away before they are caught by the blade. This doesn't happen when I go backwards or when I pivot the mower so one rear wheel stays in one spot and the mower moves to the left or right. But if the yard is covered with leaves, this isn't necessary, and most times it isn't neceessary. Might be something to do with the humidity or something. ) Wow, you must have a monster of a mulching mower, or small leaves. I have a typical 21" mulcher with Honda 5.5 horse engine, and once I can't see the grass through the leaves, it chokes to the point of dying. That is when I know it is time to switch from mowing to the electric blower and the rake. Maybe I need a different blade for leaf duty? I've seen a dethatching blade, but not a mulching blade. I the fall, which is the only time I have many leaves, the leaves are dry and wrinkled and there is a lot of empty space in the layer of leaves. The layer of leaves is much thicker than if the leaves were flat. When the leaves are wet on the outside, I wait before mowing the lawn, but the outside dries out quickly and the inside is still brittle, I think. |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:04:49 -0500, Caesar Romano
wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:24 -0500, nick hull wrote Re Gas powered leaf blower???: In article , Claude Hopper wrote: Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! On my yard I use a hay rake, it windrows the leaves nicely and if I get a bit of rain it compacts them and makes it easy to put lots on my carry-all and move to the mulch pile. I probably should try baling them Now that's an interesting idea. I've seen baled pine needles for sale. I'll bet if you can get leaves into a bale someone in the 'burbs will buy it. Charge a high enough price and I'm sure someone will. |
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"mm" wrote in message I've seen a dethatching blade, but not a mulching blade. http://www.drillspot.com/products/27...Mulching_Blade Should be available in any decent hardware store or home center. I use it all the time as I dislike raking. Better for nutrients too. |
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"aemeijers" wrote in message ... mm wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:31 -0400, Claude Hopper wrote: All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! Get yourself a good bagging lawnmower; walk behind or riding. You have to empty often but it's the easiest to clean up the leaves. I use a mulching mower. A layer of leaves 3 inches thick just disappears, and all the little pieces fall between the grass. And it usually takes no more time than mowing the lawn takes. When I don't have a mulching mower, I tape a heavy business envelope or a piece of cardboard over the discharge chute. On another occasion, I mounted a piece of plywood across the chute, since I am happy to use mulch mode all year long. The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. (Once in a while, I mow by pulling the mower backwards, in the same pattern I usually go forwards. Because sometimes wind coming out from below the mower blows some leaves away before they are caught by the blade. This doesn't happen when I go backwards or when I pivot the mower so one rear wheel stays in one spot and the mower moves to the left or right. But if the yard is covered with leaves, this isn't necessary, and most times it isn't neceessary. Might be something to do with the humidity or something. ) Wow, you must have a monster of a mulching mower, or small leaves. I have a typical 21" mulcher with Honda 5.5 horse engine, and once I can't see the grass through the leaves, it chokes to the point of dying. That is when I know it is time to switch from mowing to the electric blower and the rake. Maybe I need a different blade for leaf duty? -- aem sends... |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:03:12 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "mm" wrote in message I've seen a dethatching blade, but not a mulching blade. http://www.drillspot.com/products/27...Mulching_Blade Should be available in any decent hardware store or home center. I use it all the time as I dislike raking. Better for nutrients too. Ha! No kidding! That's why it's good for me to be in the habit of phrasing things in terms of what I've seen. There was a time when I would have just said "There is no such thing as a mulching blade". |
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Check out the 'gator' blades..
s http://www.outdoor-equipment-parts.c...hp?isbn=94-907 http://www.nextag.com/gator-lawn-mow...de/search-html http://www.lawn-parts.com/gator_mulc...Jvsw odEAglhA just google 'gator blades' s "aemeijers" wrote in message ... mm wrote: On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:31 -0400, Claude Hopper wrote: All help, advice, recommendations greatly appreciated. Leaf blowers are just like ****ing into the wind. The blower/vacs are like using a tooth brush to paint your house. I know I had a gas blower/vac. I even used a rake to make piles so I could vacuum faster. Total WASTE OF TIME! Get yourself a good bagging lawnmower; walk behind or riding. You have to empty often but it's the easiest to clean up the leaves. I use a mulching mower. A layer of leaves 3 inches thick just disappears, and all the little pieces fall between the grass. And it usually takes no more time than mowing the lawn takes. When I don't have a mulching mower, I tape a heavy business envelope or a piece of cardboard over the discharge chute. On another occasion, I mounted a piece of plywood across the chute, since I am happy to use mulch mode all year long. The racket caused by gasoline leaf blowers is horrendous. (Once in a while, I mow by pulling the mower backwards, in the same pattern I usually go forwards. Because sometimes wind coming out from below the mower blows some leaves away before they are caught by the blade. This doesn't happen when I go backwards or when I pivot the mower so one rear wheel stays in one spot and the mower moves to the left or right. But if the yard is covered with leaves, this isn't necessary, and most times it isn't neceessary. Might be something to do with the humidity or something. ) Wow, you must have a monster of a mulching mower, or small leaves. I have a typical 21" mulcher with Honda 5.5 horse engine, and once I can't see the grass through the leaves, it chokes to the point of dying. That is when I know it is time to switch from mowing to the electric blower and the rake. Maybe I need a different blade for leaf duty? -- aem sends... |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"mm" wrote in message I've seen a dethatching blade, but not a mulching blade. http://www.drillspot.com/products/27...Mulching_Blade Should be available in any decent hardware store or home center. I use it all the time as I dislike raking. Better for nutrients too. Oh, my mower came with a mulching blade (seeing as how it doesn't have a discharge chute), and I replaced it with one that looked just like it when the first one got dull. (still haven't bought a grinder.) But it still doesn't like deep leaves. -- aem sends... |
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