If indeed the cellophane strip is over the top of the asphalt adhesive
on your shingles, then the shingles were installed so incorrectly that
the cellophane strip is the least of your problems. In order for that to
be true, they had to be installed over each other exactly like they were
laying in the bundle.

Forgive me for continuing the beat a dead horse and I really
appreciate everyone's help here, you guys are the greatest, but yes,
the cellophane strip which belongs on the underside of the shingles
was on top of the asphalt adhesive on shingles that were on the
ground.

Incidentally, two roofs are involved corresponding to two house
additions. One addition with the bigger loss of shingles was 1993
while the other was 1996, same contractor. Guess it's a wonder that
the shingles involved didn't fly off sooner. And yes they used
staples.

On 2008-02-12, Jack W Windswept@Home wrote:

yes, the cellophane strip which belongs on the underside of the
shingles was on top of the asphalt adhesive on shingles that were on
the ground.

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires a
manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Cheers, Wayne

Wayne Whitney wrote in
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On 2008-02-12, Jack W Windswept@Home wrote:

yes, the cellophane strip which belongs on the underside of the
shingles was on top of the asphalt adhesive on shingles that were on
the ground.

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires a
manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Cheers, Wayne


Bingo!

Wayne Whitney writes:

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires a
manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Stupidity abounds. The house inspector we used when we bought our house
told us a story about a guy who has a "home handyman" radio show, who
really ought to know something about roofs.

Apparently, somebody installed shingles on a house with the courses
starting at the peak of the roof, not the eaves. It looked good, but
leaked. The show's handyman couldn't figure out what was wrong.

(For people who haven't looked at a roof closely, the problem is that
water flows downhill, and with the roof installed as described, the
water flows off one shingle and *underneath* the one in the next lower
course, thus soaking the roof deck instead of reaching the eaves. On a
properly-installed roof, water flows off one shingle onto the *top* of
the next lower course, repeating this all the way down to the eaves.)

Dave

(Dave Martindale) wrote in
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Wayne Whitney writes:

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires a
manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Stupidity abounds. The house inspector we used when we bought our
house told us a story about a guy who has a "home handyman" radio
show, who really ought to know something about roofs.

Apparently, somebody installed shingles on a house with the courses
starting at the peak of the roof, not the eaves. It looked good, but
leaked. The show's handyman couldn't figure out what was wrong.

(For people who haven't looked at a roof closely, the problem is that
water flows downhill, and with the roof installed as described, the
water flows off one shingle and *underneath* the one in the next lower
course, thus soaking the roof deck instead of reaching the eaves. On
a properly-installed roof, water flows off one shingle onto the *top*
of the next lower course, repeating this all the way down to the
eaves.)

Dave


Sounds fishy. No one is that damn stupid. This was probably one of those
friend of a friend of a friend stories where one of the friends totally
screwed the story up because thay had no idea wtf they wre hearing.

In reality it was probably just a roof that was improperly installed top
down and leaked...just like bottom up sometimes leaks. **** happens.

Top down shingling:
http://tinyurl.com/23udoj

BTW the book reference above, Roofing with Asphalt Shingles By Mike
Guertin, is great and complete. Picked it up last spring.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
(Dave Martindale) wrote in
:

Wayne Whitney writes:

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires a
manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Stupidity abounds. The house inspector we used when we bought our
house told us a story about a guy who has a "home handyman" radio
show, who really ought to know something about roofs.

Apparently, somebody installed shingles on a house with the courses
starting at the peak of the roof, not the eaves. It looked good, but
leaked. The show's handyman couldn't figure out what was wrong.

(For people who haven't looked at a roof closely, the problem is that
water flows downhill, and with the roof installed as described, the
water flows off one shingle and *underneath* the one in the next lower
course, thus soaking the roof deck instead of reaching the eaves. On
a properly-installed roof, water flows off one shingle onto the *top*
of the next lower course, repeating this all the way down to the
eaves.)

Dave


Sounds fishy. No one is that damn stupid.


Wrong. I've seen home "improvement" things which prove otherwise.

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
(Dave Martindale) wrote in
:

Wayne Whitney writes:

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires
a manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Stupidity abounds. The house inspector we used when we bought our
house told us a story about a guy who has a "home handyman" radio
show, who really ought to know something about roofs.

Apparently, somebody installed shingles on a house with the courses
starting at the peak of the roof, not the eaves. It looked good,
but leaked. The show's handyman couldn't figure out what was wrong.

(For people who haven't looked at a roof closely, the problem is
that water flows downhill, and with the roof installed as described,
the water flows off one shingle and *underneath* the one in the next
lower course, thus soaking the roof deck instead of reaching the
eaves. On a properly-installed roof, water flows off one shingle
onto the *top* of the next lower course, repeating this all the way
down to the eaves.)

Dave


Sounds fishy. No one is that damn stupid.


Wrong. I've seen home "improvement" things which prove otherwise.




You're right Joe. Someone posted a link once to a site where a home
inspector posted pics of massively stupid **** he found over time.

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
:

"Red Green" wrote in message
...
(Dave Martindale) wrote in
:

Wayne Whitney writes:

It is conceivable that when the shingles were removed from the
packaging at the time of installation, the cellophane strip, instead
of sticking to the underside of the shingle above in the packaging,
stuck to the tar strip on the shingle below. This scenario requires
a manufacturing defect and a really clueless installer.

Stupidity abounds. The house inspector we used when we bought our
house told us a story about a guy who has a "home handyman" radio
show, who really ought to know something about roofs.

Apparently, somebody installed shingles on a house with the courses
starting at the peak of the roof, not the eaves. It looked good,
but leaked. The show's handyman couldn't figure out what was wrong.

(For people who haven't looked at a roof closely, the problem is
that water flows downhill, and with the roof installed as described,
the water flows off one shingle and *underneath* the one in the next
lower course, thus soaking the roof deck instead of reaching the
eaves. On a properly-installed roof, water flows off one shingle
onto the *top* of the next lower course, repeating this all the way
down to the eaves.)

Dave


Sounds fishy. No one is that damn stupid.


Wrong. I've seen home "improvement" things which prove otherwise.




You're right Joe. Someone posted a link once to a site where a home
inspector posted pics of massively stupid **** he found over time.


Last year, a friend of mine had her furnace replaced. When the contractors
cranked it up and began checking whatever they like to check, they realized
something was really screwy about the air flow. The previous owners of the
house had stuffed tightly packed chunks of foil backed fiberglass insulation
into the cold air returns. Over the years, they'd slid down just far enough
so nobody could see them. Fortunately, she replaced the furnace because it
was an ancient rusting piece of junk. If it had been a reasonably modern
unit that just wasn't working well, hopefully some smart contractor would've
noticed the air flow problem.

In both of my homes, prior owners have painted door hardware, sometimes 2-3
times, based on the colors I found while scraping it off. Some may consider
this to be minor stupidity, but it's not. It's the home improvement
equivalent of having anal sex with a goat with toddlers watching.