The latest in technology and being referred to as progress, the
Driverless Car. This has been on the news lately and they claim it's
been tested and will be available around 2018, or ten years from now.

These vehicles will be capable of doing the following things without
human intervention.

1. Deliver the rider to a destination
2. Accelerate and Decelerate
3. Change speed and torque to suit conditions and needs
4. Steer itself and turn in any direction
5. Stop
6. Backup
7. Park
8. Avoid obstacles in the way
9. Follow a pre-determined route
10. Haul cargo

According to some people, this has got to be the biggest advancement
in modern history. A person can get aboard, and leave the driving to
the car while reading the newspaper and drinking coffee, without
having to watch the road. To these people, this is the ultimate in
PROGRESS !!!!

But wait a minute.......
This is NOT progress.......
This has already been invented, and has been around for many
centuries....

It's called a HORSE

A HORSE can do all of the ten things listed above, and better yet, it
does not rely on costly imported petroleum based fuels, and does not
pollute the environment. Better yet, it fertilizes crops and grasses
along the roadside. Best of all, unlike a car, the horse is also your
best friend.

So much for PROGRESS !!!!!

writes:

The latest in technology and being referred to as progress, the
Driverless Car. This has been on the news lately and they claim it's
been tested and will be available around 2018, or ten years from now.

These vehicles will be capable of doing the following things without
human intervention.

1. Deliver the rider to a destination
2. Accelerate and Decelerate
3. Change speed and torque to suit conditions and needs
4. Steer itself and turn in any direction
5. Stop
6. Backup
7. Park
8. Avoid obstacles in the way
9. Follow a pre-determined route
10. Haul cargo

According to some people, this has got to be the biggest advancement
in modern history. A person can get aboard, and leave the driving to
the car while reading the newspaper and drinking coffee, without
having to watch the road. To these people, this is the ultimate in
PROGRESS !!!!

Most important, the energy savings potential is immense.
With cars that drive themselves, private ownership of cars is no
longer necessary. Just push a button on your cell phone and
a car drives up to you in seconds to a few minutes and you are off.

I estimate we'd only need to build about 1/10 of the number of
cars we build today.

But wait a minute.......
This is NOT progress.......
This has already been invented, and has been around for many
centuries....

It's called a HORSE

A HORSE can do all of the ten things listed above, and better yet, it
does not rely on costly imported petroleum based fuels, and does not
pollute the environment.

Not according to the history books.
Horse manure was a major pollutant in the cities before the automobile.
Can you imagine the smell from 8 million horses at rush hour in NYC?

Better yet, it fertilizes crops and grasses
along the roadside.

With the number of people we have today, there isn't enough
roadside to hold the manure.

Best of all, unlike a car, the horse is also your
best friend.

Never had a horse friend.
I'd take a motorcycle over a horse every time.

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:21 GMT, Dan Espen
wrote:

writes:

The latest in technology and being referred to as progress, the
Driverless Car. This has been on the news lately and they claim it's
been tested and will be available around 2018, or ten years from now.

These vehicles will be capable of doing the following things without
human intervention.

1. Deliver the rider to a destination
2. Accelerate and Decelerate
3. Change speed and torque to suit conditions and needs
4. Steer itself and turn in any direction
5. Stop
6. Backup
7. Park
8. Avoid obstacles in the way
9. Follow a pre-determined route
10. Haul cargo

According to some people, this has got to be the biggest advancement
in modern history. A person can get aboard, and leave the driving to
the car while reading the newspaper and drinking coffee, without
having to watch the road. To these people, this is the ultimate in
PROGRESS !!!!

Most important, the energy savings potential is immense.
With cars that drive themselves, private ownership of cars is no
longer necessary. Just push a button on your cell phone and
a car drives up to you in seconds to a few minutes and you are off.

I estimate we'd only need to build about 1/10 of the number of
cars we build today.

But wait a minute.......
This is NOT progress.......
This has already been invented, and has been around for many
centuries....

It's called a HORSE

A HORSE can do all of the ten things listed above, and better yet, it
does not rely on costly imported petroleum based fuels, and does not
pollute the environment.

Not according to the history books.
Horse manure was a major pollutant in the cities before the automobile.
Can you imagine the smell from 8 million horses at rush hour in NYC?

Better yet, it fertilizes crops and grasses
along the roadside.

With the number of people we have today, there isn't enough
roadside to hold the manure.

Best of all, unlike a car, the horse is also your
best friend.

Never had a horse friend.
I'd take a motorcycle over a horse every time.

I wont say I dislike motorcycles, in fact I look forward to a friend
giving me a ride this summer again.

But since you never had a horse friend, you dont know what you're
missing. I have several of them, and they are very special and
lovable creatures, as well as Mules, which I also have. I like riding
them, but I like even more just being around them. They're even more
friendly than most dogs, but not many modern people know that.

I will have to agree with you that in a large city, many horses could
be messy, although if we can develop a driverless car, I am sure we
could develop some device to control the manure. Come to think of it,
I would not mind having a device like that on my farm. The old fork
and shovel method can get tiring at times, and even with my
skid-loader to assist, I can not get into the stalls with machinery.
I look forward to summer when the horses do their business outdoors,
(except in severe weather storms), so I dont have to clean it.

On Jan 13, 11:25 am, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:04:21 GMT, Dan Espen



wrote:
writes:

The latest in technology and being referred to as progress, the
Driverless Car. This has been on the news lately and they claim it's
been tested and will be available around 2018, or ten years from now.

These vehicles will be capable of doing the following things without
human intervention.

1. Deliver the rider to a destination
2. Accelerate and Decelerate
3. Change speed and torque to suit conditions and needs
4. Steer itself and turn in any direction
5. Stop
6. Backup
7. Park
8. Avoid obstacles in the way
9. Follow a pre-determined route
10. Haul cargo

According to some people, this has got to be the biggest advancement
in modern history. A person can get aboard, and leave the driving to
the car while reading the newspaper and drinking coffee, without
having to watch the road. To these people, this is the ultimate in
PROGRESS !!!!

Most important, the energy savings potential is immense.
With cars that drive themselves, private ownership of cars is no
longer necessary. Just push a button on your cell phone and
a car drives up to you in seconds to a few minutes and you are off.

I estimate we'd only need to build about 1/10 of the number of
cars we build today.

But wait a minute.......
This is NOT progress.......
This has already been invented, and has been around for many
centuries....

It's called a HORSE

A HORSE can do all of the ten things listed above, and better yet, it
does not rely on costly imported petroleum based fuels, and does not
pollute the environment.

Not according to the history books.
Horse manure was a major pollutant in the cities before the automobile.
Can you imagine the smell from 8 million horses at rush hour in NYC?

Better yet, it fertilizes crops and grasses
along the roadside.

With the number of people we have today, there isn't enough
roadside to hold the manure.

Best of all, unlike a car, the horse is also your
best friend.

Never had a horse friend.
I'd take a motorcycle over a horse every time.

I wont say I dislike motorcycles, in fact I look forward to a friend
giving me a ride this summer again.

But since you never had a horse friend, you dont know what you're
missing. I have several of them, and they are very special and
lovable creatures, as well as Mules, which I also have. I like riding
them, but I like even more just being around them. They're even more
friendly than most dogs, but not many modern people know that.

I will have to agree with you that in a large city, many horses could
be messy, although if we can develop a driverless car, I am sure we
could develop some device to control the manure. Come to think of it,
I would not mind having a device like that on my farm. The old fork
and shovel method can get tiring at times, and even with my
skid-loader to assist, I can not get into the stalls with machinery.
I look forward to summer when the horses do their business outdoors,
(except in severe weather storms), so I dont have to clean it.


I grew up with horses and mules. Will agree that some can be very good
friends and then like all else some can be otherwise. Remember one
mule we had that would kick you at every chance he got.. Also agree
that some dogs can be as mean too. Must be how they are raised from
birth. A lot like people!!!!!!!!!
Jack

On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:34:22 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:


I grew up with horses and mules. Will agree that some can be very good
friends and then like all else some can be otherwise. Remember one
mule we had that would kick you at every chance he got.. Also agree
that some dogs can be as mean too. Must be how they are raised from
birth. A lot like people!!!!!!!!!
Jack

You're right.
I had a mule that kicked, but he got better after awhile. I lost him
in December, he just dropped dead for no real reason. That was a real
bad day for me. I have an unaltered male mule now. They are supposed
to be very aggressive when they are not gelded, and have a bad
reputation for being dangerous. I raised this guy from a baby, and he
is absolutely the most lovable and safe mule I have ever known. In
winter, he stays in his stall surrounded by 3 mare horses. He's fine
with that, likes them, but dont get obnoxious. Yes it is how they
were raised, and this guy was raised with lots of TLC. I am always
putting stuff on him, like fake antlers and santa stuff at Christmas.
He thinks thats fun. He likes to pull off my hat whenever I walk past
him. He's sassy but so lovable. I just play along with his sassy
stuff, and we all have fun. Some people think they have to correct
everything like that, and they end up with nervous and scared animals
who are not friendly.

All my horses are very lovable too. I have one that tends to **** me
off though because she chews up anything made out of wood. I have to
cover everything with tin around her. But she's not mean, just
irritating. We have one I would not ride. She bucks, but she is
still a friendly horse. I understand her because she was beaten by
the asshole that owned her before I got her. Thats why she is
difficult to ride. I actually bought her just to get her away from
that asshole that had her. I planned to resell her, but that was 13
or 14 years ago, and she's still here, and quite old already. She'll
always be here now. I grow real fond of them and they are part of the
family. I like the Arabian breed the best. They are the friendliest,
but they are all lovable if treated well.

In ,
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:34:22 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

I grew up with horses and mules. Will agree that some can be very good
friends and then like all else some can be otherwise. Remember one
mule we had that would kick you at every chance he got.. Also agree
that some dogs can be as mean too. Must be how they are raised from
birth. A lot like people!!!!!!!!!
Jack

You're right.
I had a mule that kicked, but he got better after awhile. I lost him
in December, he just dropped dead for no real reason. That was a real
bad day for me. I have an unaltered male mule now. They are supposed
to be very aggressive when they are not gelded, and have a bad
reputation for being dangerous. I raised this guy from a baby, and he
is absolutely the most lovable and safe mule I have ever known.

I can say from paying enough attention to news sources that touch on
horses:

Geldings get girlfriends (if the geldings get to socialize with mares),
and the geldings that get girlfriends get close and cozy with and do
such close coziness bigtime when they and their girlfriends can, while
stallions only go so far as "Wham Bam" and could even skip "Thank You
M'am".

This I heard when Funnycide was a Triple Crown contender.

- Don Klipstein )

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:59:52 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In ,
wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:34:22 -0800 (PST), Jack
wrote:

I grew up with horses and mules. Will agree that some can be very good
friends and then like all else some can be otherwise. Remember one
mule we had that would kick you at every chance he got.. Also agree
that some dogs can be as mean too. Must be how they are raised from
birth. A lot like people!!!!!!!!!
Jack

You're right.
I had a mule that kicked, but he got better after awhile. I lost him
in December, he just dropped dead for no real reason. That was a real
bad day for me. I have an unaltered male mule now. They are supposed
to be very aggressive when they are not gelded, and have a bad
reputation for being dangerous. I raised this guy from a baby, and he
is absolutely the most lovable and safe mule I have ever known.

I can say from paying enough attention to news sources that touch on
horses:

Geldings get girlfriends (if the geldings get to socialize with mares),
and the geldings that get girlfriends get close and cozy with and do
such close coziness bigtime when they and their girlfriends can, while
stallions only go so far as "Wham Bam" and could even skip "Thank You
M'am".

This I heard when Funnycide was a Triple Crown contender.

- Don Klipstein )

Yep, that pretty accurate. Although I have one stallion who is in
with some mares that are too old to get bred, and he has his favorites
that he is always with. Last summer there were two other mares and a
gelding in there. He kept driving off the gelding, so I moved that
one somewhere else. Those 2 other mares could not stand him, and were
always running him off. It was quite a circus.... I ginally moved
those two mares out and back with the gelding. The gelding (who is a
small pony), is always trying to mount the mares, but they like him,
so they let him, and everyone is happy now. The 2 mares that like the
stallion are with him, and the two that like the gelding pony are with
him. It's fun to watch them. Just like people, some get along,
others dont. Of course I didn't mention the 5th mare who managed to
escape and get with the same stallion, and being young, she is not
bred, and I have her indoors now. So the stallion stands by the barn
door and talks to her, and her back to him. That's the mare who is
ruight next to the well behaved jack (stallion) mule. She likes him
too, but he's so laid back he never trys anything except to stick his
head around the stall wall and share a mouthful of his hay with her.
I guess that's what we'd call "wineing and dining" lol

They're fascinating creatures, and fun to be around. Some people
think stallions are mean, that's not really true, although any horse
can be mean, but I find the stallions are just as friendly as mares or
geldings. It's the ones who are locked up from other horses that get
mean, they all need to interact. Having elderly mares helps that
problem, unless one is trying to do breeding, but these days it costs
more to raise a foal than to buy one. Horse prices are really low
now, because hay is costly and people spend everything on fuel these
days. Last summer I rode one of my horses to town several times to
save on gas. Our small town does not care, and even has a hitching
post at several locations, such as one grocery store, and the feed
mill. I went thru a drive-thru at a fast food place. The speaker
scared my horse, otherwise that was fun. The horse got some french
fries and was happy (they like the salt). If gas prices keep rising,
I'll use the horses more (but not in winter).

I'd like to get a buggy next, but that will take some training for
both the horse and myself. The Amish do that all year, and I was told
some of them use kerosene heaters inside their buggy. I originally
got horses for fun, but I am starting to look into actually using them
for transportation due to gas prices. I'm not alone, there are others
around here, and probably other places doing the same. It takes
longer to get somewhere, but the ride is much more fun. In this high
paced world, I think everyone could benefit from this, but people in
big cities would probably find horses unwelcome. Most big cities do
not allow horses except for parades and special events.