Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!

"Frank Rowe" wrote in message
...
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.


Have you tried taking the motor to a local small shop that rewinds motors ?

If you're in or near a fairly large city, you should be able to find an
electric motor shop. Ask around some of the older hardware stores or check
the yellow pages. I know there are several here in the KC area. You could
always ship it to them if necessary.


steve


"Frank Rowe" wrote in message
...
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!

Frank Rowe wrote:
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450),
on which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the
phone help people) says they can no longer get that motor because
it's not made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I
get parts for it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to
just pop on over to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However,
that's about $600 more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors?
I've googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping
someone here knew of another electric motor source.

Try Emerson Electric - they made it.
http://www.gotoemerson.com/brands/pr.../br_pt_dp.html



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wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:15:57 -0500, Frank Rowe
wrote:

Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!

http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/index.html

These folks are great to deal with, and hey know their products! I'll
bet if you call them with every number off the motor itself, and the
basic dimensions, (Length, diameter, shaft diameter, horsepower,
etc.), they can fix you up with a motor. Motors are mostly universal
and generic. If there is anything special, it would be a mounting
bracket that can be swapped out from the original;. That doesn't
happen very often.

Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.

Otherwise, somebody suggested Emerson as a last resort, but usually
built-for-brand parts are available only through the distributor of the
branded item, not the OEM so that's unlikely to be successful (but, of
course, no worse off than already and worth a shot).

The other alternative if it isn't a critical production item would be to
start the search for used similar machines either as a replacement parts
supply machine or to simply swap to a newer/different saw at less than
new price. RAS saws typically don't sell for very high prices so good
deals can be had if one has the time to be at least somewhat patient.

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wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:34:27 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:15:57 -0500, Frank Rowe
wrote:

Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!
http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/index.html

These folks are great to deal with, and hey know their products! I'll
bet if you call them with every number off the motor itself, and the
basic dimensions, (Length, diameter, shaft diameter, horsepower,
etc.), they can fix you up with a motor. Motors are mostly universal
and generic. If there is anything special, it would be a mounting
bracket that can be swapped out from the original;. That doesn't
happen very often.
Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.


??? The place I mentioned can supply a replacement motor, as can any
electrical suppy house I've ever encountered. The motor was not custom
designed for that radial arm saw. A standard motor was specified by
whomever designed the saw. All you need is any numbers found on the
motor, and some dimensional information. This is not rocket science.

Then again, maybe the OP doesn't know the difference between "burned
out" and "just needs a new set of brushes installed".

The motor housing is the casting the saw arbor is mounted on the saw
yoke, not a standard motor plate. They won't have the guts of the motor
independent of the case.

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wrote:


Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.


??? The place I mentioned can supply a replacement motor, as can any
electrical suppy house I've ever encountered. The motor was not custom
designed for that radial arm saw. A standard motor was specified by
whomever designed the saw. All you need is any numbers found on the
motor, and some dimensional information. This is not rocket science.

But how could you know that? I had a similar vintage same name radial
arm saw and the motor was anything but a standard form. The head is
basically built around the motor.



Then again, maybe the OP doesn't know the difference between "burned
out" and "just needs a new set of brushes installed".

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 13:03:16 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:34:27 -0600, dpb wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:15:57 -0500, Frank Rowe
wrote:

Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!
http://www.electricmotorwarehouse.com/index.html

These folks are great to deal with, and hey know their products! I'll
bet if you call them with every number off the motor itself, and the
basic dimensions, (Length, diameter, shaft diameter, horsepower,
etc.), they can fix you up with a motor. Motors are mostly universal
and generic. If there is anything special, it would be a mounting
bracket that can be swapped out from the original;. That doesn't
happen very often.
Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.

??? The place I mentioned can supply a replacement motor, as can any
electrical suppy house I've ever encountered. The motor was not custom
designed for that radial arm saw. A standard motor was specified by
whomever designed the saw. All you need is any numbers found on the
motor, and some dimensional information. This is not rocket science.

Then again, maybe the OP doesn't know the difference between "burned
out" and "just needs a new set of brushes installed".
The motor housing is the casting the saw arbor is mounted on the saw
yoke, not a standard motor plate. They won't have the guts of the motor
independent of the case.

Did you call to give them the information I mentioned, and actually
ask them, or you just making a WAG?

I'm going on experience w/ RAS and similar specialty motors.

--

wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:42:31 -0500, George
wrote:

wrote:


Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.

??? The place I mentioned can supply a replacement motor, as can any
electrical suppy house I've ever encountered. The motor was not custom
designed for that radial arm saw. A standard motor was specified by
whomever designed the saw. All you need is any numbers found on the
motor, and some dimensional information. This is not rocket science.
But how could you know that? I had a similar vintage same name radial
arm saw and the motor was anything but a standard form. The head is
basically built around the motor.


...Using generic components. If this is a really old cast iron saw, it
may be a re-labeled DeWalt. Really, you are making this far more
complicated than it is.

And you're making it far less...

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wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:42:31 -0500, George
wrote:

wrote:


Well, it happened in this case -- this for a RAS which use integral
motors, not external mounts. The advice for a rewind shop is best bet.

??? The place I mentioned can supply a replacement motor, as can any
electrical suppy house I've ever encountered. The motor was not custom
designed for that radial arm saw. A standard motor was specified by
whomever designed the saw. All you need is any numbers found on the
motor, and some dimensional information. This is not rocket science.
But how could you know that? I had a similar vintage same name radial
arm saw and the motor was anything but a standard form. The head is
basically built around the motor.


...Using generic components. If this is a really old cast iron saw, it
may be a re-labeled DeWalt. Really, you are making this far more
complicated than it is.



You still didn't answer how you absolutely know with such extreme
confidence that it was a standard part. It isn't at all unusual for OEMs
to specify special designs to cut cost.

As I mentioned I had one of those saws (maybe even the same model #). It
was more of a nostalgia thing to get a replacement motor than value
because those saws were not well made because anything could kick them
out of adjustment.

I disassembled the motor housing and took careful measurements and
photos. It was a specially made unit and we couldn't find it or even
anything close that could be modified.



Then again, maybe the OP doesn't know the difference between "burned
out" and "just needs a new set of brushes installed".

wrote:


You still didn't answer how you absolutely know with such extreme
confidence that it was a standard part. It isn't at all unusual for OEMs
to specify special designs to cut cost.


I was easily able to obtain the guts to replace the motor on my late 1950's era
cast iron DeWalt. You just need to know who to ask.

OK, but what does that have to do with the 80's era sears radial arm saw
under discussion?

I am actually quite aware who to ask and as I explained I had a similar
saw and a replacement motor didn't exist.




As I mentioned I had one of those saws (maybe even the same model #). It
was more of a nostalgia thing to get a replacement motor than value
because those saws were not well made because anything could kick them
out of adjustment.

I disassembled the motor housing and took careful measurements and
photos. It was a specially made unit and we couldn't find it or even
anything close that could be modified.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:15:57 -0500, Frank Rowe
wrote:

Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!


Do you know FOR SURE that the motor's burned out ?
Hard to do unless you've been sawing granite.

A common prob with Craftsman R.A. saw motors;
Sawdust packs into the start centrifugal switch.
Motor hmmmms when you turn it on, but won't run.

Pull the end cap, brush out all the packed sawdust.
Motor should be good for another 100 hours of run time.

rj

"Frank Rowe" wrote in message
...
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

Used radial arm saws are frequently given away, and more often sold cheaply on
craigslist and similar places. Maybe it would be cheaper/easier to replace the
whole saw.

"Frank Rowe" wrote in message
...
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!

I have a similar saw that is even older, but is made the same way.
I am sure you checked but just in case: Have you checked for the thermal
overload switch being popped? It must be reset manually.

Charlie

"Charlie Bress" wrote in message
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"Frank Rowe" wrote in message
...
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!

I have a similar saw that is even older, but is made the same way.
I am sure you checked but just in case: Have you checked for the thermal
overload switch being popped? It must be reset manually.

Charlie


See if you can find a electric motor shop in your area. I had a motor
repaired,
it was also was a special purpose one. They rewound it with better wire and
it performed much better then original.

Frank Rowe wrote:
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!
You might want to post this question in
rec.woodworking

Its a good group.

Many thianks for the useful suggestions; here's a follow-up from the
"OP"

- For Salty@dog,com: Sorry to say, but dbp and George are correct -
the mounting posts are integral to the motor housing. This is an
exception to your "motors are mostly universal" statement. Oh, BTW _
it's hard to replace "brushes" in an induction motor....

- For DadiOH - yes I figured ou that Emerson is the OEM - but
requesting parts from Emerson is equivalent to calling GM headquartes
for brake shoes for you Chevy - they want you to talk to their local
dealer. Also - Sears' parts line told me Emerson no longer makes that
motor (or parts for it) - I've got to believe them on this - it was a
custom job for Sears in the first place.

- For RJ - I've had the motor completely apart three times now -
removed all the sawdust, etc. Never saw anything that answered to the
description of "start centrifugal switch". FWIW this saw has had
steady use for 22 years, and it's just now quit in this fashion. Just
before it quit entirely I was seeing sparks from inside the motor
housing. Now when I turn the power on, it hums for a few seconds then
blows the (20-amp) breaker.

For Bob F - I've looked on Cragslist and my local want ads - no soap
at the moment, but I'll keep an eye on that channel.

For Charlie Bress- it's not the thermal overload, as it tries to start
(hums & blows breaker)

As for the new saw angle - The low end new saw from Sears is $650 (on
"sale" at the moment for $600) - so if I can get the motor rebuilt for
$200, I'm $400 ahead. The good saws from Delta & Rockwell just aren't
in my price range at the moment - and this "cheap" one has built most
of my house, cabinetry, several outbuildings, and two rooms' worth of
furniture - so it's working OK for me. But that's my fallback option.

SO - (thanks to Ralph, S. Barker, et al) I've taken the motor to a
local electric motor shop, who've promised to look at it & tell me if
it can be rebuilt. At this point I'm waiting for a phone call.
Meantime (thanks, Jim) I will also repost to rec.woodworking.

Again, thanks to all!




P.S. - I also enjoyed reading the flame war beetween salty and nbp -
it's fun to see two people duke itour over a subject when neither of
then has first-hand knowledge :-)



On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:20:29 -0800, jJim McLaughlin
wrote:

Frank Rowe wrote:
Help!

I have a 20+ year old Craftsman Radial Arm Saw (model 113.199450), on
which the motor just burned out. Sears (noth the website and the phone
help people) says they can no longer get that motor because it's not
made anymore. The motor part # was 63608. Neither can I get parts for
it. At this point, the answer I get from Sears is to just pop on over
to my local Sears store & buy a new saw. However, that's about $600
more than I was hoping to spend.

Are there any other sources in the world for replacement motors? I've
googled the model & part numbers ti no avail. I was hoping someone
here knew of another electric motor source.

THanks!
You might want to post this question in
rec.woodworking

Its a good group.