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Wearing school uniform in the UK equivalent of Workshop 101. Got my tie
wrapped round the lathe, and it was too short for me to reach the kill
switch.
After that we could take our ties off in the workshop.


In recent years it would be mandatory to remove a tie. Makes you wonder
what they were thinking. Or they were not thinking.

It's called "Eton thinking"

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 01:00:16 GMT, CJT wrote:

dg wrote:

On 8 Sep, 05:52, Ken wrote:

What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.



I shot a staple through my finger once. That was bad enough. I think
I know the feeling you describe.


Not entirely DIY, as I was a mechanic doing my job when it happened.
Had to rmove the pitman arm on an old Dodge van, and it was not
co-operating. I decided to use the air hammer to "persuade"it to come
off. I'm right handed, but needed to hold the air hammer in my left
hand to get it where it needed to be. Right hand up there to support
myself in that clumsy position. I learned never to use air hammers in
a clumsy position when the hammer slipped, and in a split second hit 3
fingers on my right hand. One Many times. One finger badly bruised,
one finger tip broken in 3 places, and one finger tip turned to bone
meal. I was off work completely for 8 weeks, and on light duty, with
the crushed finger in a "bird cage" for another 12 weeks. Finally got
a nail back on that finger about 2 years later. It reminds me of my
stupidity every time it gets cold.
Thankfully the joint was NOT damaged, on either finger. Everything
works fine 18 years or so later, with the one finger tip markedly
wider than all the others.

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On Sep 7, 9:52 pm, Ken wrote:
What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


One cannot run a 4"X4"X1/2" piece over an 8" jointer. I have a really
thin thumb to prove it. No finger print though.
Gene

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On Sep 7, 11:52 pm, Ken wrote:
What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


I did some copy work for a forensic engineer that was investigating an
accident where a carpenter, who had used Liquid Nails to secure a new
sub floor, had ignited the trapped Liquid Nails vapors between the old
floor and the new decking. The entire floor blew upward, propelling
the carpenter into the ceiling, breaking his neck and killing him. He
was using a nail gun that apparently struck another nail that created
a spark.
-Mike


That must've had a deleterious effect on his day.

I'm practicing for an understatement tournament. Wanna sponsor me? :-)


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So when you are knocked unconscious either by a blow or by shock you can
phone for help?


Not a perfect sytem, but bett than nothing.



May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,


Why would an employee of a finance or mortgage company need that?


Bl**dy spell checkers, I really should look at what I type.

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Owain wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:

wrote:
... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.

A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.

One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
duty for life :-)

Owain


I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
youngster. :-)
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:18:23 -0400, Shawn Hirn
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On one job that consisted of adding a deck onto a kitchen in a modest
row house, my dad had to remove a window air conditioner in order to
knock down the kitchen's exterior wall.

My dad declined my offer to help and he said it was just a light air
conditioner and he could handle it himself. He opened the window to
release the air conditioner and it dropped out to the ground below. The
man who owned the home and I were both watching as this happened and the
look on my dad's face was priceless.

As it happened, the customer was behind in paying my dad, but my dad
liked the guy so he didn't make a big deal of it. After the crashing
sound ended, my dad just said in a smug face to the customer that he
could deduct the price of a new AC off the money he owed my dad.

Fortunately, the customer was nice about the situation, but the look on
his and my dad's faces just cracked me up. I was literarily on the floor
laughing! The look on my dad's face as he snarled at me to stop laughing
only made me laugh more.


Working out of town, I was staying in a rather cheap but handy
downtown hotel in mid November. On checking in on Monday, I was
assigned a ninth floor room for the week. Late in the evening I
noticed a draft coming through the makeshift card stock filler beside
the window A/C so attempted to adjust it to seal better - yep there
goes the electric cord out the window! when I called the desk to tell
them what hat happened, they offered to send someone up with another
A/C, but I said that I only wanted to explain that thump above the
dinning room ceiling. It was still there when the job finished three
weeks latter.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
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Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it on
ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed to
reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
debride the dead tissue.

Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.


Isn't it amazing how well those maggots work? Nothing in "modern"
medicine that can match them.


I'm sure with genetic engineering, someone will create a custom "medical
grade" maggot. Then you'll have to pay $2500 per maggot for them.


They are medical grade maggots, raised in a sterile environment.


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On Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:52:28 +0000 (UTC), (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article , Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Owain wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
wrote:
... his wife decided he shouldnt fix anything.
A creative solution to the "Honey-Do" list.

One smashed teapot at the age of nine, and one is excused washing-up
duty for life :-)


Making one pot of coffee with a little detegent in it excuses you of
having to EVER make coffee again. Have you ever seen a regular cup of
coffee with an inch of foam on the top? ;-)


Now, what if I am the caffeine junkie and nobody else at the shop is in
a mood for coffee and the pot is empty? Looks like I gotta brew it then!
(or guzle some Mountain Dew.)

Meanwhile, decades ago at a much younger age, I did put Joy (or
the like) regular dish detergent in a dishwasher. This was one of those
dishwashers with a dual hose that went to a fitting that fits onto a
kitchen sink faucet. This generated a few cubic yards of foam at a rate
2-3 orders of magnitude faster than the rate at which such foam can go
down the drain, IIRC.
Thankfully, the back door was at the kitchen and we had brooms. I don't
remember whether or not the snow shovel was used.

- Don Klipstein )

Like SWMBO doing her first load of laundry while visiting friend who
had just regenerating the water softener.
Gerry :-)}
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In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

Gunner wrote:

Arriving at the church..Im greeted by a badly shocked pastor and
staff..all looking a bit green. I had to back out the drill bit and
unwind the hair and about 1/3 of his total scalp. I quickly put it on
ice and ran it down to the hospital, where they managed to reattach
it, about 45 minutes after the accident. Most..most of it managed to
reattach but not all of it and they later had to use maggots to
debride the dead tissue.

Wrapped up his head with a handful of maggots under gauze, chewing
away the dead tissues. He said it tickled.

Isn't it amazing how well those maggots work? Nothing in "modern"
medicine that can match them.


I'm sure with genetic engineering, someone will create a custom "medical
grade" maggot. Then you'll have to pay $2500 per maggot for them.


They are medical grade maggots, raised in a sterile environment.


See how fast my predictions of the future came true? Damn, I'm good.
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According to Bill :
In message , Edwin
Pawlowski writes

"Bill" wrote in message


[ ... ]

May be better to rig up a timed loan worker system that sends an alarm,


Why would an employee of a finance or mortgage company need that?


Bl**dy spell checkers, I really should look at what I type.

Lone


A spelling checker would not make much difference there, both
are valid words.

Or did you do some kind of typo and you are stuck with a
spelling checker which auto-corrects your typos without asking you what
you really meant to say?

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DoN.

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More than a few fall off ladders in boatyards, as well. Everybody
gets confident about their ability to climb one-handed (or no-handed)
while carrying heavy tools or awkward parts. Most of the time, it
works, too...


It only needs to not-work once though
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Yep, you got that right. Ladders scare the hell out of me,
particularly when working alone. When I was in Basic I fell off the
top of one of those backward-inclined climibing obstacles on the
"confidence course" about 20 feet into the edge of the sand pit. My
hip has never been quite the same since, but I figure I was lucky as
it was -- could have missed the pit and then would have busted
something bad for sure.

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Ken wrote:
What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.



This from yesterday's "The Sunday Times Magazine" (London, UK), in an
article about clearing up the debris following the "Great Storm" of 1987:

"...In the hands of novices, chainsaws do not cream smoothly through
yielding timber~ they buck and twist like cats. The accidents were
horrific. Untrained men would hack at the upper branches of bent or
leaning trees, oblivious to the laws of physics. "There is a huge
tension when a tree falls," says Ray Hawes. "When people cut through
them and take the weight off the top, at a certain stage they will
spring back." The result is like a Roman ballista, except that the
missile catapulted 20 yards is not a rock but a human body with a
screaming chainsaw. In the worst case, recalled by Peter Creasey, the
Trust’s head warden at Box Hill in Surrey, a man took the precaution of
harnessing himself to a bough. His tragedy was to choose the wrong tree
— not the one he was sawing, but the one it was leaning against. The
ballista tore him apart."

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Serious, sobering stuff...

http://www.amgron.clara.net/circular.../accidents.htm


Hmmphhh, no pictures!

MBQ

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On Sep 8, 9:00 pm, raden wrote:
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writesWhat have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


Tosser x-posted to numerous DIY related Ngroups

He accidentally fell into the north sea with his feet encased in
concrete

How we did laff ...


Don't think that's fair. It was on-topic for all the groups; he cross-
posted rather than multi-posted; admittedly, he posted to five groups,
whereas I think the recommended maximum is four.

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Owain wrote:
Lew Hartswick wrote:
I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
youngster. :-)


We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.


Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids

David
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on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
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Ken wrote:


What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!

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on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:
In article .com,
Ken wrote:


What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

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Martin Bonner wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:00 pm, raden wrote:
In message .com,
Ken writesWhat have been the worst
(serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or
saw it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


Tosser x-posted to numerous DIY related Ngroups

He accidentally fell into the north sea with his feet encased in
concrete

How we did laff ...


Don't think that's fair. It was on-topic for all the groups; he
cross- posted rather than multi-posted; admittedly, he posted to five
groups, whereas I think the recommended maximum is four.


There is no 'recommended maximum'


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"Ed Huntress" wrote

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have a
handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an altercation
with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair in a death grip
and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By that time, she had
torn much of his scalp loose from his head.

The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half an
inch long since.

He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with a
buzz cut.



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"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have
a handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an
altercation with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair
in a death grip and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By
that time, she had torn much of his scalp loose from his head.

The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half
an inch long since.

He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with
a buzz cut.


'Sounds wise to me. When I hear these stories I have to wonder why some
do-gooder group hasn't done PSAs on television showing how your scalp can
get peeled off if your hair is long and it gets caught in something.

Spiro Agnew would have liked those.

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on 9/10/2007 2:11 PM Ed Huntress said the following:
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on 9/9/2007 11:18 AM Shawn Hirn said the following:

In article .com,
Ken wrote:



What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

--
Ed Huntress


My hair has been cut so that it is no more than 1/2" long.
The one tool that I use that I have the most respect for (read scared
of) is the radial arm saw, especially when ripping. Somehow, the blade
over the table is more respected (read scared of) than one under the table.
The others, I'm just merely careful.


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What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.


I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


That's a very good idea. . .uh. . .just tell me where you live and I'll take
all those dangerous things away for you. No charge at all.




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What have been the worst (serious or humorous) handyman or handywoman
accidents that you've experienced so far (or someone you know, or saw
it happen to, got to experience) and please elaborate on what
unfortunately went wrong.

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


That's a very good idea. . .uh. . .just tell me where you live and I'll
take all those dangerous things away for you. No charge at all.


They're in a dark and dank basement where no civilized person has been for
20 years. Even the meter-reader asks me to go read the meter for him.

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In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left


Yeah, I've got to stop wearing those necklaces and neckties when I'm running
the lathe, too. And the charm bracelet...

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In message ,
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In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left


Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say


Free men own guns


And dead people are the result


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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!


I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/
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on 9/10/2007 5:36 PM Owain said the following:
Lee Michaels wrote:
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I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my
hair cut
short...

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...


That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?

Owain

Mine are cordless.

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Lobster wrote:

Owain wrote:

Lew Hartswick wrote:

I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
youngster. :-)



We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.



Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids


Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came in?

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Lee Michaels wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote


I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...


Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. He used to have a
handsome head of hair. Until the night he got involved in an altercation
with a crazed, very intoxicated woman. She grabbed his hair in a death grip
and they could not pry her loose for several minutes. By that time, she had
torn much of his scalp loose from his head.

The resulting injuries were very painful and took awhile to heal. They
shaved his head before they did the surgery to reattach his scalp. He had
to keep it shaved during the recovery. It has never been more than a half an
inch long since.

He said if he retires or takes up another line of work, he might grow some
hair agin. But as long as he is a law enforcement officer, he will go with a
buzz cut.


I don't know what a buzz cut is, but I suspect that it is a cut of the
hair that can not be grabbed/held.

Most police officers in the UK have the same short cut, for the same
reasons.

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raden wrote:

In message ,
nick hull writes

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!

I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
cut
short...



Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left



Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say


Free men own guns



And dead people are the result


In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house, then
I am all for it.

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In message , Dave
writes
raden wrote:

In message ,
nick hull writes

In article ,
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I'm not going to read anymore of this thread. I'm afraid to go into my
work shed or pick up a tool!

I'm with you. It's scaring the pants off of me.

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my
hair cut
short...


Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left

Four beers for the carpenters .. as the germans say


Free men own guns

And dead people are the result


In the UK if we had the right to carry a gun and be immune to defending
ourselves against a mugger with a knife, or a burglar in the house,
then I am all for it.

Do you understand nurfink?


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"Dave" wrote in message
...
Lobster wrote:

Owain wrote:

Lew Hartswick wrote:

I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
youngster. :-)


We were too poor to have sugar bowl lids.



Aye, us an' all - we used t'have to make do wi old jam-jar lids


Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came in?

You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our cereal,
and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them. Nothing like
wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the blood flowing....

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||| Owain wrote:
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||||| I think I went through several suggar bowl lids when I was a
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|| Lids? Sugar bowls? What was wrong with the paper bag that it came
|| in?
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| You had sugar? We had go out back and pick berries to mash into our
| cereal, and squeeze into our coffee, if we wanted to sweeten them.
| Nothing like wrestling racoons in the half-light of dawn to get the
| blood flowing....

....and when the berries and paper bags had all been eaten, we boiled
the dishrag to make broth and added icebox scrapings for our soup...

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Owain wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair
cut
short...


Reminds me of a conversation I had with a deputy sheriff. ...



That's all very well, but what about injuries sustained from electric
hair clippers, especially when used in bathrooms?

Owain

My uncle went to the hospital with 109 bruises and 16 contusions. What
happened, you ask? He hit a golf ball in a tile bathroom.
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Short hair, no rings, no necklaces, no body metal, no ties, no
wris****ches and I have all my fingers left


But what about the ones that were on your right hand?
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Ed Huntress wrote:

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

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Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the
store one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa
asked him, "What happened to you?"
The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"

Yikes

5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
ever tell you to get your hair cut again."

Didn't have long hair very much after that.
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Ed Huntress wrote:

I'll tell you one thing: I'm going to make darned sure I keep my hair cut
short...

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Back in the early to mid 70's when I was living with my grandparents and
had grown my hair to about my belt loops, Grandpa and I went to the store
one evening. Saw the ugliest looking person you ever saw. Grandpa asked
him, "What happened to you?"
The guy answered, "I got my ponytail caught in the lathe at work!"

Yikes

5 minutes later and several aisles over, Grandpa told me, "I ain't gonna
ever tell you to get your hair cut again."

Didn't have long hair very much after that.


Man, these stories are piling up. My 1943 edition of _How to Run a Lathe_
doesn't say anything about it. d8-)

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