On Jul 21, 9:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
How come I can't see the picture? All I get is a wierd picture of text
that says:

pics.
bbzzdd.
com
unauthorized
referrer
sorry

Are you using Firefox or another non-Internet Explorer browser to view
the link? I had the same problem in Firefox, but was able to open it
in IE7.

Kyle wrote:
On Jul 21, 9:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
How come I can't see the picture? All I get is a wierd picture of text
that says:

pics.
bbzzdd.
com
unauthorized
referrer
sorry

Are you using Firefox or another non-Internet Explorer browser to view
the link? I had the same problem in Firefox, but was able to open it
in IE7.

Mozzilla Firefox here was just fine w/ it...(2.0.0.4, I think...)

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CraigT wrote:
"FM" wrote in message
...
"CraigT" wrote in
:

Here a close up picture, so you know I didn't Photoshop it.

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6625.JPG
....
I think I used Lift-Off #5 because the stain was from DEFY epoxy stain
which is water based, but don't hold me to that, this was 16 months
ago. Infact I used the whole DEFY system, stripper. brightener, then
the stain.
....

I'm w/ the guessers who think it looks heat-caused more than chemical
although it's possible, I suppose, depending on just what was in
whatever was used.

But, it looks to me like it is concentrated in an area just to the right
of the railing post and is graduated from the center outwards in all
directions which would seem to be consonant w/ a single source at that
point. It would almost have required the material be sprayed w/ a wide
pattern concentrating in that area it seems to me to have left that type
of damage.

I'd be for pulling that off and investigating behind it pronto as I'd be
concerned as somebody else also mentioned about the possibility of an
electrical problem from the proximity to the outlets/etc. It's going to
have to be replaced, anyway; better to have an ugly hole w/ showing for
a while while you find replacement siding than to have the house go up
in flames because you ignored a possible problem.

If it turns out there isn't any visible damage behind it, then you'll
have pretty well confirmed it was a chemical or external source and can
rest easy. If there is, you may just save a bundle...in dollars and
other ways, as well.

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On Jul 21, 4:20 pm, "CraigT" wrote:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6627.JPG

There are no heat sources behind that wall besides a toaster oven that sits
on the counter top and is seldom used. I would think any heat source from
inside would have caused some damage to the cabinet directly above. This is
new housing so the walls are insulated.

I haven't used any chemicals on the deck since the spring of '06.

I would have to discount the idea of something inside the wall, given
the asymmetrical shape of the sagging and darkening. Note how the
"burn" tends to wrap around the top of the deck's railing, and has a
oval shape like the motion of someone wiping a cloth across a surface.

My money is on a combo: the siding was wiped with some sort of
chemical cleaner and it took time for sunlight to cause a chemical
reaction between the vinyl and the residue.

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:37:23 -0000, Kyle wrote:

On Jul 21, 9:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
How come I can't see the picture? All I get is a wierd picture of text
that says:

pics.
bbzzdd.
com
unauthorized
referrer
sorry

Are you using Firefox or another non-Internet Explorer browser to view
the link? I had the same problem in Firefox, but was able to open it
in IE7.

Worked for me in Firefox. v2.0.0.1

I'm not sure version 1 will remind you to get version 2, for some
reason.

On 23 Jul, 08:23, "HeyBub" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:

- Well problem #1 is that you're using Google to read groups.

Considering it's the only server that I have ever had trouble with, I
think I'll stay with my current methods. Since I read these groups on
multiple machines, some of which I couldn't install a news client on
if I wanted too, I'm not looking to access these groups in different
manners depending on what machine I happen to sit down at. I've got
enough things confusing me already, I don't need to add another
one. ;-)

In any case. thanks for the info.

If you're on a Windows machine, you already have a news reader installed.
Outlook Express is part of the Windows distribution.

One of my machines is XP-Pro with a corporate image. The image is
scanned and updated by our corporate IT department. Since I shouldn't
be reading news at work, I'm not about to activate the newsreader in
an application that gets scanned and updated by our corporate IT
department.

At home on my main machine I use Mozilla Thunderbird to read my mail
and on another I don't access email at all. The only thing common to
all three machines, as well as the machine at my Dad's house and any
other machine I happen to sit down at is IE.

So, as I said, since this one site is the only one that has ever given
me a problem, and the problem is easily rectified, I'll stick with
reading the news via IE.

I did use something to remove some overspray at the time which was the
spring of last year. I think it was Motsenbocker's Lift-Off.

The product you used has acetone in it. Oops.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
DerbyDad03 wrote:

- Well problem #1 is that you're using Google to read groups.

Considering it's the only server that I have ever had trouble with, I
think I'll stay with my current methods. Since I read these groups on
multiple machines, some of which I couldn't install a news client on
if I wanted too, I'm not looking to access these groups in different
manners depending on what machine I happen to sit down at. I've got
enough things confusing me already, I don't need to add another
one. ;-)

In any case. thanks for the info.

If you're on a Windows machine, you already have a news reader installed.
Outlook Express is part of the Windows distribution.
Don't bet on it- if it is a 'work' machine, corporate install images often
have stuff like that stripped out, to keep the users from impure servers and
such, and to keep them from bothering the help desk with 'Why can't I get to
whatever?' calls, or from more tech-savvy users, requests to punch holes in
the firewall.

aem sends....

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:39:15 -0400, wrote:


I did use something to remove some overspray at the time which was the
spring of last year. I think it was Motsenbocker's Lift-Off.

The product you used has acetone in it. Oops.

And I would say the exact reason there was not a fire damage . Acetone
and vinyl is a bad mix,, :-]

--
Oren

"I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you."

According to dpb :
I don't see it as "around" the railing, I see it as to the right and
concentrated just about at the height of the railing post. I could
easily see a heat source centered at that point producing the pattern.

If it were a heat source behind or in the wall, I wouldn't expect
to see the bottom of each vinyl siding piece (where it's bumped out
from the wall) being as badly damaged as that compared to the top.
The air gap has to account for something.

[If it was on the inside of the house, like a toaster flameout,
there should be much more obvious heat damage on the inside walls -
an exterior wall doesn't transmit heat very well, especially in
cold climates with decent insulation.]

Still, it'd be a good idea to at least remove the covers and
electrical devices from the boxes and take a really close look
inside and see if there's any signs of damage to the wiring.
On the inside too, if there's any electricals (eg: switches) there.

In any event, he's going to want to get the damaged siding off so
it can be repaired, and that should make the cause a lot more
obvious and/or some of the sheathing can be cut out to check
the wiring more directly.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

Chris Lewis wrote:
According to dpb :
I don't see it as "around" the railing, I see it as to the right and
concentrated just about at the height of the railing post. I could
easily see a heat source centered at that point producing the pattern.

If it were a heat source behind or in the wall, I wouldn't expect
to see the bottom of each vinyl siding piece (where it's bumped out
from the wall) being as badly damaged as that compared to the top.
The air gap has to account for something.

[If it was on the inside of the house, like a toaster flameout,
there should be much more obvious heat damage on the inside walls -
an exterior wall doesn't transmit heat very well, especially in
cold climates with decent insulation.]

Still, it'd be a good idea to at least remove the covers and
electrical devices from the boxes and take a really close look
inside and see if there's any signs of damage to the wiring.
On the inside too, if there's any electricals (eg: switches) there.

In any event, he's going to want to get the damaged siding off so
it can be repaired, and that should make the cause a lot more
obvious and/or some of the sheathing can be cut out to check
the wiring more directly.

Conjecture is easy but useless.

The siding will have to be replaced anyway and simply pulling it off (or
even one piece) will show whether there's heat damage to the
siding/homasote/whatever and be conclusive that it is/is not from an
internal heat or external heat source. That's well worth knowing
immediately imo, just on the chance that it is/was.

--

According to dpb :
Chris Lewis wrote:

In any event, he's going to want to get the damaged siding off so
it can be repaired, and that should make the cause a lot more
obvious and/or some of the sheathing can be cut out to check
the wiring more directly.

Conjecture is easy but useless.

That's why I said that last paragraph, no need to repeat: ;-)

The siding will have to be replaced anyway and simply pulling it off (or
even one piece) will show whether there's heat damage to the
siding/homasote/whatever and be conclusive that it is/is not from an
internal heat or external heat source. That's well worth knowing
immediately imo, just on the chance that it is/was.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

"CraigT" writes:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6627.JPG


There are no heat sources behind that wall besides a toaster oven that sits
on the counter top and is seldom used. I would think any heat source from
inside would have caused some damage to the cabinet directly above. This is
new housing so the walls are insulated.

I haven't used any chemicals on the deck since the spring of '06.

Seems like there are 2 leading theories, heat and chemicals.

The chemical theory is that something got on the siding that would
make the siding soft and start to sag over time perhaps with the addition
of mild heat from sunlight.

Wait til the middle of a sunny day. If the siding is soft, it would
be chemicals. If it's not soft, it was probably heat.

Chris Lewis wrote:
According to dpb :
Chris Lewis wrote:

In any event, he's going to want to get the damaged siding off so
it can be repaired, and that should make the cause a lot more
obvious and/or some of the sheathing can be cut out to check
the wiring more directly.

Conjecture is easy but useless.

That's why I said that last paragraph, no need to repeat: ;-)
....

"If it were a heat source behind or in the wall, I wouldn't expect..."

"[If it was on the inside of the house, like a toaster flameout, ..."

IF you hadn't preceded that w/ two paragraphs of further "ifs", I'd have
not said a thing further...

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CraigT wrote:
http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6627.JPG


There are no heat sources behind that wall besides a toaster oven that sits
on the counter top and is seldom used. I would think any heat source from
inside would have caused some damage to the cabinet directly above. This is
new housing so the walls are insulated.

I have something similar and just as weird. The mini-blinds in one window
on the south side of my house have a round-ish area about 8" in diameter
that's discolored and warped just like your siding. The blinds have
naturally been inside at all times, the window hasn't been opened, and
I had cardboard on the inside of the blinds for a long time, which means
nothing from the inside could have burned the blinds without harming the
cardboard. Cars can't get anywhere within 1,000 feet of that side of the
house without leaving obvious tracks in the mud, so it's not a windshield
reflection. There's a building off in the distance, but a reflection off
its window would have to travel across the blinds as time-of-day changed
and it wouldn't leave a nice, round burn in one spot.

--
"Liberals used to be the ones who argued that sending U.S. troops abroad
was a small price to pay to stop genocide; now they argue that genocide
is a small price to pay to bring U.S. troops home."
-- Jonah Goldberg