Well, I've replaced the water supply, the tank ball and siphon,
run every limescale solvent I can think of through the siphon from
the tank to the little holes under the bowl rim, plunged the bowl
's drain repeatedly, scoured the holes with a wire bristle brush
under the basin rim _and_ inside the basin, and augured it now ad
nauseum.

Each time I think I've conquered the no-flush problem, it will
flush twice and then simply swirl the water about the basin.

What the heck's going on?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

"The Ranger" wrote in message
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Well, I've replaced the water supply, the tank ball and siphon, run every
limescale solvent I can think of through the siphon from the tank to the
little holes under the bowl rim, plunged the bowl 's drain repeatedly,
scoured the holes with a wire bristle brush under the basin rim _and_
inside the basin, and augured it now ad nauseum.

Each time I think I've conquered the no-flush problem, it will flush twice
and then simply swirl the water about the basin.

What the heck's going on?

Have you tried the old test of dumping a big bucket of water into the bowl?

Charles wrote in message
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"The Ranger" wrote in message
...
Well, I've replaced the water supply, the tank ball and siphon,
run every limescale solvent I can think of through the siphon
from the tank to the little holes under the bowl rim, plunged
the bowl 's drain repeatedly, scoured the holes with a wire
bristle brush under the basin rim _and_ inside the basin, and
augured it now ad nauseum.

Each time I think I've conquered the no-flush problem, it will
flush twice and then simply swirl the water about the basin.

What the heck's going on?

Have you tried the old test of dumping a big bucket of water
into the bowl?

Yes; empties out the basin every time.

The Ranger

"The Ranger" wrote in message
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Charles wrote in message
. ..
"The Ranger" wrote in message
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Well, I've replaced the water supply, the tank ball and siphon, run
every limescale solvent I can think of through the siphon from the tank
to the little holes under the bowl rim, plunged the bowl 's drain
repeatedly, scoured the holes with a wire bristle brush under the basin
rim _and_ inside the basin, and augured it now ad nauseum.

Each time I think I've conquered the no-flush problem, it will flush
twice and then simply swirl the water about the basin.

What the heck's going on?

Have you tried the old test of dumping a big bucket of water into the
bowl?

Yes; empties out the basin every time.

Well, there you go. Your freakin low-flow toilet can't deliver.

I have low-flow toilets and low-flow shower heads and swear to the Almighty
that these crap items waste far more than they conserve.

Vote Republican. ;)

Charles wrote in message
. ..
== Low-Flow Whoas ==
Well, there you go. Your freakin low-flow toilet
can't deliver.

I thought as much. The previous toilet I had for over two decades
before the tank developed a crack down the middle. I NEVER had any
issues with it, not even one mis-flush. This new-and-improved
toilet is costing me more in water than ever its predecessor did.

GAH!

I'm off to check out the jet-pumps for residential models now.
Maybe, just maybe, that'll help...

The Ranger

"The Ranger" wrote in message
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Charles wrote in message
. ..
== Low-Flow Whoas ==
Well, there you go. Your freakin low-flow toilet
can't deliver.

I thought as much. The previous toilet I had for over two decades before
the tank developed a crack down the middle. I NEVER had any issues with
it, not even one mis-flush. This new-and-improved toilet is costing me
more in water than ever its predecessor did.

GAH!

I'm off to check out the jet-pumps for residential models now. Maybe, just
maybe, that'll help...

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Regula...an_toilets.htm

The Ranger wrote:

....
I'm off to check out the jet-pumps for residential models now.
Maybe, just maybe, that'll help...
....
You just need a good toilet.
Check here for toilet reviews:
http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm
I have installed a couple of Toto toilets and have had no problems.

Charles wrote:
Have you tried the old test of dumping a big bucket of water into
the bowl?

Yes; empties out the basin every time.

Well, there you go. Your freakin low-flow toilet can't deliver.

I have low-flow toilets and low-flow shower heads and swear to the
Almighty that these crap items waste far more than they conserve.

Vote Republican. ;)

It's worse than you think. Simultaneous with the government mandating
low-volume flushes, another agency of government is "encouraging" (we
haven't gotten to the "mandate" stage yet) eating more fruits and
vegetables.

Now a diet high in fruits and vegetables creates more "floaters" than the
"sinkers" we're used to seeing in a high meat diet. It is these "floaters"
than interfere with the goals of a low-flush toilet.

The solution is simple: ignore the government. You can do this by either a)
Finding a legacy (six gallon) toilet or b) Eating more meat (yum).

M Q wrote in message
news:L0vei.2950$AR5.507@trnddc06...
You just need a good toilet.
Check here for toilet reviews:
http://www.terrylove.com/crtoilet.htm
I have installed a couple of Toto toilets and have had no
problems.

Interesting site. Thanks for the link.

The Ranger

try opening up the holes under the rim with a nail

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

On Jun 21, 1:06 pm, wrote:
try opening up the holes under the rim with a nail

http://www.minibite.com/america/malone.htm

Toilets: Was in Middle East recently in an area where they tend to use
European design toilets etc. Also water systems tend to be low
capacity, low pressure (There were no fire hydrants in the city I
visited!), with storage tanks on the roof of each residence. In the
hot sun even white painted tanks got quite hot! Seemed very odd when
the 'cold' water came out hot!
Added to which the hot and cold tap positions were sometimes reversed
to what we normally use in north America!

One variety toilet had chrome button on top. Press it lightly was
supposed to low flush. i.e. if one only 'p**s' (thereby supposedly
saving water!). Pressing it fully was supposed to do a total flush.

However; frequently found that either the low flush didn't really do
the job and/or the total push didn't do a total flush either! So quite
often, but not all the time, another flush was necessary and that
second time one would tend to press it all the way down to make sure.
So there were a percentage of times that one was causing at least one
and a half flushes per throne sitting!

I have similar reservations about mandating the replacement of 25 cent
incandescent light bulbs by CFLs. Any 'wasted' heat, in our case,
merely contributing to heating the home off setting our electric heat!
It's all electrcity anyway.

"terry" wrote in message
ps.com...
I have similar reservations about mandating the replacement of 25 cent
incandescent light bulbs by CFLs. Any 'wasted' heat, in our case,
merely contributing to heating the home off setting our electric heat!
It's all electrcity anyway.

What about in the summer, when you're paying for cooling and your lightbulbs
are just pumping out heat? I switched years ago, and it's been great. The
lights aren't hot, the energy usage is much lower, and the bulbs last for 5
years. What's not to like?

BEFORE YOU TOSS THAT TOILET TRY THIS!!

Go buy muriatic acid its cheap. plunge and spone out bowl.

wear safety glasses and use funnel to pour acid down dip tube inside
tank.. pour 1/2 down dip tube 1/2 in bowl.

have window open shut door wait 20 minutes flush repeatedly.

this really cleans out the sediment inside the passages of your
toilet.

worth trying take deep breathe before pouring acid smells bad

wrote in message
oups.com...
[snip]
Go buy muriatic acid its cheap. plunge and spone out bowl.
[snip]

Is that the stuff that pops and boils when it touches water? Kind
of brownish color you can buy in the drain-clearing area of the
hardware chemicals section?

If so, I have a bottle that was hoping to use while I ran some
errands...

The Ranger

On Jun 21, 1:11?pm, "The Ranger" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
[snip] Go buy muriatic acid its cheap. plunge and spone out bowl.

[snip]

Is that the stuff that pops and boils when it touches water? Kind
of brownish color you can buy in the drain-clearing area of the
hardware chemicals section?

If so, I have a bottle that was hoping to use while I ran some
errands...

The Ranger

I dont know about pops and boils. but brown muck is produced when it
dissolves all the hard water sediment.