I am remodeling a very small bath room next to the pool, and therefore I
want to do something that takes up as little space as possible. There will
be a walk in shower, a sink and a toilet.

I am thinking of using a wall hung sink and a wall hung toilet, this way the
foot print is minimize (even eliminated) and will look cleaner.

I think the wall hung toilet will work, I just need to frame a 4x6 behind
the wall at the location where I intend to mount it and it should work.

I am worried about the wall hung toilet - I have rarely seen it in
residential applications, I know part of the waste line has to be inside the
wall, and since the wall is all exposed now I can do whatever I need to. I
assume I need to also move the drain opening from the floor to directly
under the wall, but what do I need to do to ensure it does not fall out
after some time? If a 300 pound man sits on it and strain...will it fall
out?

What is the strongest way to secure it? There seem to be a practical limit
on how secure it really could be if the mounting surface is ceramic...it
seems.

MC

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 May 2007 19:57:18 -0400, "MiamiCuse"
wrote:

I am remodeling a very small bath room next to the pool, and therefore I
want to do something that takes up as little space as possible. There
will
be a walk in shower, a sink and a toilet.

I am thinking of using a wall hung sink and a wall hung toilet, this way
the
foot print is minimize (even eliminated) and will look cleaner.

I think the wall hung toilet will work, I just need to frame a 4x6 behind
the wall at the location where I intend to mount it and it should work.

I am worried about the wall hung toilet - I have rarely seen it in
residential applications, I know part of the waste line has to be inside
the
wall, and since the wall is all exposed now I can do whatever I need to.
I
assume I need to also move the drain opening from the floor to directly
under the wall, but what do I need to do to ensure it does not fall out
after some time? If a 300 pound man sits on it and strain...will it fall
out?

What is the strongest way to secure it? There seem to be a practical
limit
on how secure it really could be if the mounting surface is ceramic...it
seems.

MC


I have 2 of them in one of my houses and they have been there since about
1960.
No problems. There is a cast iron "x-frame" bolted between studs in the
wall
that supports everything. It isn't going to fail. Incredibly strong. It
would be
more likely that a standard toilet would fall through the floor. How often
does
THAT happen?

Huh. They still make residential wall-hung? I haven't seen one installed
since the late 60s. It does make keeping floor clean easier, but IIRC, they
did clog easier for some reason.

At work, they replaced a commercial wall-hung with a floor mounted (but
still wall-draining) stainless steel bowl unit, to accomodate a 375+ dude
that kept tearing out the wall anchors on the regular units. (expansion
anchors into hollow clay wall brick, vintage 1930? or so.)

aem sends...

We installed a Porcher brand wall hung toilet called Kimera about a year ago for our master bath. Perfect and clean installation. I highly recommend and
no clogging issues so far.

On May 12, 9:54�pm, Hambone wrote:
We installed a Porcher brand wall hung toilet called Kimera about a year ago for our master bath. *Perfect and clean installation. *I highly recommend and
no clogging issues so far.

give ome thought to home resale, it might be a negative when your
selling looking too industrial....

how much space will you be saving?

My parent's house built in 1967 used Crane's wall hung toilets, and the
company I worked for had it's head office built in 1968 used the same
toilets and added 3 more floors with Crane wall hung toilets. They did not
look industrial. The office building had the usual flush levers and the
house had a flush tank. They worked very well. Don't know if anyone makes a
wall hung these days.

wrote in message
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On May 12, 9:54?pm, Hambone wrote:
We installed a Porcher brand wall hung toilet called Kimera about a year
ago for our master bath. Perfect and clean installation. I highly
recommend and
no clogging issues so far.

give ome thought to home resale, it might be a negative when your
selling looking too industrial....

how much space will you be saving?

In article ,
"aemeijers" wrote:
Commercial wall-hungs, in general modern use in north america, do not have
tanks- they depend on higher volume, higher water pressure lines in
commercial buildings. A tank hidden in wall would be an upkeep nightmare.

So, is there any reasonably way to get that kind of thing in a home?
I'd love to have a toilet at home that flushed like the ones at work.
Those things seem to be able to take pretty much anything, and are
almost instantly ready for the next flush.


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--Tim Smith

"Tim Smith" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| "aemeijers" wrote:
| Commercial wall-hungs, in general modern use in north america, do
not have
| tanks- they depend on higher volume, higher water pressure lines in
| commercial buildings. A tank hidden in wall would be an upkeep
nightmare.
|
| So, is there any reasonably way to get that kind of thing in a home?
| I'd love to have a toilet at home that flushed like the ones at work.
| Those things seem to be able to take pretty much anything, and are
| almost instantly ready for the next flush.
|
|
| --
| --Tim Smith

questions I would ask a
how much condensation ends up in the wall from the tank?
does there have to be an access panel somewhere for repairs?

any plumbers out there with these answers?

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
|I am remodeling a very small bath room next to the pool, and therefore
I
| want to do something that takes up as little space as possible. There
will
| be a walk in shower, a sink and a toilet.
|
| I am thinking of using a wall hung sink and a wall hung toilet, this
way the
| foot print is minimize (even eliminated) and will look cleaner.
|
| I think the wall hung toilet will work, I just need to frame a 4x6
behind
| the wall at the location where I intend to mount it and it should
work.
|






| I am worried about the wall hung toilet - I have rarely seen it in
| residential applications,

Residential application for wall hung toilet
http://clicktoremodel.com/100_6362.JPG

I remodeled this bathroom 4 yrs ago. and installed the "Porcher" wall
mount toilet.
my tip to you is:
make sure the bolts that support the toilet are level before closing up
the wall.
the steel carriage fit into a 2x4 wall but the waste pipe needed a 2x6
wall.
sound proof the wall it is in because it echoes everywhere in the wall
when flushed.

the neatest part was the air switch we mounted on the side wall (no
more reaching behind you to flush)













I know part of the waste line has to be inside the
| wall, and since the wall is all exposed now I can do whatever I need
to. I
| assume I need to also move the drain opening from the floor to
directly
| under the wall, but what do I need to do to ensure it does not fall
out
| after some time? If a 300 pound man sits on it and strain...will it
fall
| out?
|
| What is the strongest way to secure it? There seem to be a practical
limit
| on how secure it really could be if the mounting surface is
ceramic...it
| seems.
|
| MC
|
|

Tim Smith wrote:
In article
,
"aemeijers" wrote:
Commercial wall-hungs, in general modern use in north america, do
not have tanks- they depend on higher volume, higher water
pressure lines in commercial buildings. A tank hidden in wall
would be an upkeep nightmare.

So, is there any reasonably way to get that kind of thing in a home?
I'd love to have a toilet at home that flushed like the ones at
work. Those things seem to be able to take pretty much anything,
and are almost instantly ready for the next flush.

They most probably use a Sloan valve rather than a tank.
http://www.sloanvalve.com/index_3466.htm

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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 03:19:00 GMT, "aemeijers" wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 May 2007 01:15:43 GMT, "aemeijers" wrote:


Huh. They still make residential wall-hung? I haven't seen one installed
since the late 60s. It does make keeping floor clean easier, but IIRC,
they
did clog easier for some reason.

At work, they replaced a commercial wall-hung with a floor mounted (but
still wall-draining) stainless steel bowl unit, to accomodate a 375+
dude
that kept tearing out the wall anchors on the regular units. (expansion
anchors into hollow clay wall brick, vintage 1930? or so.)

aem sends...



I have no idea what you are on about. ZERO clogging problems. Why would
there be
any? It has all the same tank and fittings as any other toilet. They
tank
is
just hidden inside the wall. The mechanics are essentially identical to
any
other toilet.

Commercial wall-hungs, in general modern use in north america, do not have
tanks- they depend on higher volume, higher water pressure lines in
commercial buildings. A tank hidden in wall would be an upkeep nightmare.

I've been patiently waiting for that nightmare for almost 50 years. When
should
I expect it?

Out of curiosity, what part of country are you in? Here in midwest flyover
country, I have never seen a tank-in-wall in a residential application,
and I grew up in the residential/apartment construction business. I have
seen, easily, over a thousand bathrooms put in, from rough framing through
working the punch list before handing over the keys.

I'm glad that your 1960-vintage has held up for you, but I'd say you are
probably the exception that proves the rule, and you must have decent
quality water that that doesn't rot or gunk up the in-tank parts. In my
experience, any house with kids, especially teenage females, probably WILL
need the WC pulled apart at least once, due to how they treat them. And
little kids should never have toys small enough to go down the hole....

aem sends....

On May 13, 12:29�pm, "aemeijers" wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message

...



On Sun, 13 May 2007 03:19:00 GMT, "aemeijers" wrote:

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 13 May 2007 01:15:43 GMT, "aemeijers" wrote:

Huh. They still make residential wall-hung? I haven't seen one installed
since the late 60s. It does make keeping floor clean easier, but IIRC,
they
did clog easier for some reason.

At work, they replaced a commercial wall-hung with a floor mounted (but
still wall-draining) stainless steel bowl unit, to accomodate a 375+
dude
that kept tearing out the wall anchors on the regular units. *(expansion
anchors into hollow clay wall brick, vintage 1930? or so.)

aem sends...

I have no idea what you are on about. ZERO clogging problems. Why would
there be
any? It has all the same tank and fittings as any other toilet. They
tank
is
just hidden inside the wall. The mechanics are essentially identical to
any
other *toilet.

Commercial wall-hungs, in general modern use in north america, do not have
tanks- they depend on higher volume, higher water pressure lines in
commercial buildings. A tank hidden in wall would be an upkeep nightmare.

I've been patiently waiting for that nightmare for almost 50 years. When
should
I expect it?

Out of curiosity, what part of country are you in? Here in midwest flyover
country, I have never seen a tank-in-wall in a residential application,
and I grew up in the residential/apartment construction business. I have
seen, easily, over a thousand bathrooms put in, from rough framing through
working the punch list before handing over the keys.

I'm glad that your 1960-vintage has held up for you, but I'd say you are
probably the exception that proves the rule, and you must have decent
quality water that that doesn't rot or gunk up the in-tank parts. In my
experience, any house with kids, especially teenage females, probably WILL
need the WC pulled apart at least once, due to how they treat them. And
little kids should never have toys small enough to go down the hole....

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I have NEVER EVER seen one in a regular home around pittsburgh ever. I
am 50 so they arent common here.

how much space will it save