I was chatting with someone at a sport's game and they mentioned that someone they knew put
in a salt water rather than fresh water pool in the back yard. Not one for a pond of fish.

1) Are there any advantages to this?

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the chlorine in pools. Is their a
non-chlorine based pool treatment for fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Thanks much,


Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC

Contributing writer for FUTURES Magazine
Author of RECRUITSOURCE PEOPLESOFT EXAM and RECRUITSOURCE SAP/R3 EXAM
Author of POWER TIPS FOR THE APPLE NEWTON and INTRODUCTION TO CSP

NOTE: To send me an email, remove TAKEOUT from my email address:

NOTE: My web home page: www.seldin.net

On Apr 23, 6:19�pm, "Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC"
wrote:
I was chatting with someone at a sport's game and they mentioned that someone they knew put
in a salt water rather than fresh water pool in the back yard. Not one for a pond of fish.

1) Are there any advantages to this?

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the chlorine in pools. Is their a
non-chlorine based pool treatment for fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Thanks much,

Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC

Contributing writer for FUTURES Magazine
Author of RECRUITSOURCE PEOPLESOFT EXAM and RECRUITSOURCE SAP/R3 EXAM
Author of POWER TIPS FOR THE APPLE NEWTON and INTRODUCTION TO CSP

NOTE: To send me an email, remove TAKEOUT from my email address:

NOTE: My web home page: * *www.seldin.net

add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

if the person were along the beach they could pump berach water from
the ocean, filtering it and change water endlessely with the ocean, no
chemicals needed.

some cruise ships had salt water pools, i prefer clean fresh water
myself salt YUK

Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC writes:

1) Are there any advantages to this?

For swimming pools, you mean? Advantages are convenience (not hauling
chlorine) and stable quality (automatic dosing). Cost is about a wash,
when you consider the true costs of investment, depreciation and
electric power. Disadvantages are a complex gadget with risk of non-
performance or failure, stray electric currents in pool if unit not
installed properly or pool is improperly bonded/grounded, electrolytic
damage to stainless steel lights/ladders/etc, corrosion of other
hardware above the water (bolts on a diving board or slide, etc),
ruining concrete/grout/stone with salt damage especially in a freezing
climate.

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the
chlorine in pools. Is their a non-chlorine based pool treatment for
fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Chlorine does not irritate eyes in pool concentrations. Low pH or
chloramine are way, way more irritating. Eye complaints are almost
always due to pH, not chlorine, sometimes other contaminants.

Chlorine also does not turn hair green.

Do not be a sucker for superstitions about chlorine. These ideas are
promoted by (1) people trying to sell you non-chlorine products and (2)
neurotics who find some invisible cause for every discomfort in life.

wrote:

add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

Richard J Kinch wrote:
Chlorine also does not turn hair green.

Do not be a sucker for superstitions about chlorine. These ideas are
promoted by (1) people trying to sell you non-chlorine products and
(2) neurotics who find some invisible cause for every discomfort in
life.

Google [Chlorine+green+hair] = 568,000 hits.

Something's going on.

"Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC" wrote in message
...
I was chatting with someone at a sport's game and they mentioned that
someone they knew put
in a salt water rather than fresh water pool in the back yard. Not one for
a pond of fish.

1) Are there any advantages to this?

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the chlorine
in pools. Is their a
non-chlorine based pool treatment for fresh water pools that will not
irratate their kids eyes?

Salt's not going to kill harmful microrganisms unless maybe if you get up to
the concentration of salt in the Dead Sea.
I believe the ocean and blood contain ~5% salt and we all know stuff can
live there. Chloride ion has no oxidative power to kill bugs.

In article .com, " wrote:

add enough salt and no one can drown.

Tell that to the people who were on the Titanic, or the Lusitania, or the
Andrea Doria, or ...

high salt concentrations make
people float.

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:57:46 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote:

Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC writes:

1) Are there any advantages to this?

For swimming pools, you mean? Advantages are convenience (not hauling
chlorine) and stable quality (automatic dosing). Cost is about a wash,
when you consider the true costs of investment, depreciation and
electric power. Disadvantages are a complex gadget with risk of non-
performance or failure, stray electric currents in pool if unit not
installed properly or pool is improperly bonded/grounded, electrolytic
damage to stainless steel lights/ladders/etc, corrosion of other
hardware above the water (bolts on a diving board or slide, etc),
ruining concrete/grout/stone with salt damage especially in a freezing
climate.

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the
chlorine in pools. Is their a non-chlorine based pool treatment for
fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Chlorine does not irritate eyes in pool concentrations. Low pH or
chloramine are way, way more irritating. Eye complaints are almost
always due to pH, not chlorine, sometimes other contaminants.

Chlorine also does not turn hair green.


Another piece of nonsense from the world's foremost usenet contrarian, Richard
Kinch.

Chlorine can cause hair to turn green. That's because many, many people have
artificially colored hair. Chlorine can absolutely turn your hair green.

Kinch is a nut job, who doesn't know how to think things through.

Awww, cut him some slack, willya? He's not from around here. Chemistry works a
little different on his home planet, that's all. Where he comes from, gasoline
is safe to drink and carbon monoxide is safe to breathe, but common household
borax is a deadly poison. And all petroleum distillates are the same.
Electricity works differently on his homeworld, too, where there's no
difference between a parallel circuit and a dead short. He just hasn't had
enough time to get adjusted to the differences between his home planet and
this one. Give him a break.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Charlie Morgan writes:

Chlorine can cause hair to turn green. That's because many, many
people have artificially colored hair. Chlorine can absolutely turn
your hair green.

Sez you.

I've seen plenty of blonde kids (no "artificially colored hair") with
green hair from a SWIMMING POOL or SPA, but not from CHLORINE. I have
observed this in pools or spas I know to have copper added, with various
concentrations of chlorine down to ZERO. Morever, I have observed those
same kids in pools I know to have *no* copper but lots of chlorine, and
never found any trace of green.

I defy you to produce a chemical reaction of hair protein plus chlorine
equals anything green.

When hair turns green from a swimming pool, it is because of a COPPER
compound likely added as an algaecide, most commonly copper sulfate.
Not chlorine. Typically concentrated in the tips of hair by gravity
during drying, the concentration being too slight to otherwise produce a
visible effect.

You also see this effect in fingernails. You won't typically see it in
dark hair.

Kinch is a nut job, who doesn't know how to think things through.

No, you're given to foolish statements like that.

HeyBub writes:

Google [Chlorine+green+hair] = 568,000 hits.

Something's going on.

Yes. Maybe if you read some of those hits you'd know what it is, such as
this one in the top 10:

"Chlorine Blamed for Turning Hair Green"
http://www.southshoregunitepools.com...green_hair.pdf

On Apr 23, 6:19 pm, "Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC"
wrote:
I was chatting with someone at a sport's game and they mentioned that someone they knew put
in a salt water rather than fresh water pool in the back yard. Not one for a pond of fish.

1) Are there any advantages to this?

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the chlorine in pools. Is their a
non-chlorine based pool treatment for fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Thanks much,

Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC

Contributing writer for FUTURES Magazine
Author of RECRUITSOURCE PEOPLESOFT EXAM and RECRUITSOURCE SAP/R3 EXAM
Author of POWER TIPS FOR THE APPLE NEWTON and INTRODUCTION TO CSP

NOTE: To send me an email, remove TAKEOUT from my email address:

NOTE: My web home page: www.seldin.net

buffalo ny: swimming pools require sanitary water. salt is not a
sanitizer. you can use chlorine correctly to sanitize the water
overnight with a shock [high level] dose. you could if desired destroy
the leftover chlorine the next day with an oxygen shock [see your pool
supply store for sodium persulfate or one of its cousins]. this would
eliminate the chlorine (and its benefits) from the water.
this is usually new information to many: properly maintained swimming
pool chlorine levels do not have a (chloramine) smell. a (chloramine)
smell reveals improperly maintained INSUFFICIENT levels of chlorine.
insufficient chlorine makes chloramines that irritate the eyes.
the oxygen shock is the second best shock to chlorine shock.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_pool_sanitation
but also see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimmin...t_Chlorinators
which is quoted here for your convenience but see wikipedia for
constantly updated info:
"Salt Chlorinators: Chlorine may be generated on site, such as in
sal****er pools. A New Zealand device the Aquatech IG450 home pool
saline chlorinator was introduced to the residential swimming pool
industry in 1973 when the first commercially manufactured units for
home use were shown at the 1973 Chicago Trade Fair. In the following
years, many US, Australian and South African companies duplicated the
device, as the process of creating chlorine from saline water - a
natural process that occurs in nature when lightning strikes the ocean
- was not Patentable. This process generates chlorine by low-voltage
electrolysis of dissolved salt (NaCl) using an electrical electrode
incorporated in the pool plumbing, eliminating the requirement of
manually dosing the pool daily with powder chlorine. Chlorine
generators avoid the need for constant handling of dangerous
sanitizing chemicals, and can generate sanitizing power at a lower
cost than equivalent chemicals, but they have a significant up-front
cost for the apparatus and initial salting of the pool. Annual
rainfall contributes to dilution of the pool water, which will require
regular "topping up" with several 50Lb (20Kg) bags of salt for the
average size pool.
Another issue is the production of equal amounts of Sodium Chloride
and Sodium Hydroxide (ph = 14, or Base) which causes the pool water pH
to rise to levels that render the production of useful chlorine HOCl
to levels as low as 15% while the balance of the chlorine produced
converts to OCL. OCl still maintains some bacteriacidal properties,
but is only effective in concentration of 25,000ppm, so in effect is
useless. This dramatic swap occurs in water where the pH is exceeds
8.0. This renders the saline system less effective unless a close
watch is kept on pH levels. Some saline units in production (2007)
have incorporated an acid demand test, and the pH is maintainted at
the correct level by periodic shots of acid into the system. The
downside of these units is the need to store large quantities of
Hydrochloric Acid on the pool site which must be secured for safety if
young children are present.
Early salt chlorinators required 2.0ppm dilution, and this content
gave the pool water a slightly salty, brackish taste, but not as salty
as seawater which is around 20.0ppm. Modern units use far less
salinity - around 0.2ppm to 0.4ppm and the salt cannot be detected by
taste. Pool water that splashes and evaporates, such as on a pool
deck, leaves a salt residue. Being closer to isotonic salinity (0.9%)
than fresh water, sal****er pools have an easier feel on the eyes, and
a touch typically characterized as "silky", not unlike bath salts.
Ionization systems using copper and silver, destroying bacteria and
algae, are optional replacements for chlorine systems. In this method
low amounts of chlorine are necessary to combat algae. The pool water
runs through the ionization cells and is disinfected using a low
electrical current. A control unit can decide how much copper and
silver to release into the pool, reducing manual maintenance. The cost
for such a system is higher than that of a sal****er generator, which
already is much more expensive than the standard chlorine disinfection
systems. This method of pool water sterilization has been banned in
Australia, pending an appeal from the local manufacturers of Ion units.
(2005-2006)"
also:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:15:05 -0500, Clancy Wiggum
wrote:

wrote:

add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

Did he say the oceans had "enough"?

Ah, now comes Miller, my Usenet stalker, pouting about my trenchant myth-
busting. Persisting in a futile obfuscation of like
an aborigine frightened by his own photograph.

My worthless scribbles are somehow worthy of his meticulous inventory, and
he takes it as his duty to hork up and spit his top-ten bile-wads into yet
another redundant post now and then.

If one can't inform, then one ought to at least entertain. Or keep quiet.
Republishing old quarrels is boring. Excitement over such things is an
unhealthy sign.

In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:

If one can't inform, then one ought to at least entertain. Or keep quiet.

Reading the silly stuff you post *is* entertaining, Richard...

Republishing old quarrels is boring.

It's quite understandable that you don't like being reminded of what you've
written in the past -- but it's hardly boring.

Excitement over such things is an
unhealthy sign.

Who's excited? I just wanted to share the laughs.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

On Apr 23, 3:19 pm, "Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC"
wrote:
I was chatting with someone at a sport's game and they mentioned that someone they knew put
in a salt water rather than fresh water pool in the back yard. Not one for a pond of fish.

1) Are there any advantages to this?

2) Someone mentioned that their child has eye problems with the chlorine in pools. Is their a
non-chlorine based pool treatment for fresh water pools that will not irratate their kids eyes?

Thanks much,

Lawrence M. Seldin, CMC, CPC

Contributing writer for FUTURES Magazine
Author of RECRUITSOURCE PEOPLESOFT EXAM and RECRUITSOURCE SAP/R3 EXAM
Author of POWER TIPS FOR THE APPLE NEWTON and INTRODUCTION TO CSP

NOTE: To send me an email, remove TAKEOUT from my email address:

NOTE: My web home page: www.seldin.net

You don't suppose they meant a salt-fed chlorine generating system, do
you? Tom

Miller writes:

It's quite understandable that you don't like being reminded of what
you've written in the past -- but it's hardly boring.

De gustibus non disputandum.

In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:
Miller writes:

It's quite understandable that you don't like being reminded of what
you've written in the past -- but it's hardly boring.

De gustibus non disputandum.

Your Latin would be even more impressive if it were correct.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

writes:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

Try again but fill your lungs with air.

If I exhale completely I sink to the bottom of the pool.
With my lungs mostly full I float fine.
For years I thought I had to keep swimming to stay afloat.

In article ,
says...

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

Likewise, I can sit on the bottom of the pool and wave to the irritated
swim instructor floating up above insisting that all people float.

--
is Joshua Putnam
http://www.phred.org/~josh/
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
t...
In article .com,
" wrote:

add enough salt and no one can drown.

Tell that to the people who were on the Titanic, or the Lusitania, or the
Andrea Doria, or ...


If it happened on the Dead Sea or Lake Asal, they'd probably be alive today.



high salt concentrations make
people float.

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

A lot higher if the concetrations are high enough.

On Apr 23, 7:15?pm, Clancy Wiggum wrote:
wrote:
add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

ocean isnt salty enough, great salt lake you cant sink, because people
are lighter than the salt filled water

wrote in message
.net...
In article ,
says...

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

Likewise, I can sit on the bottom of the pool and wave to the irritated
swim instructor floating up above insisting that all people float.

Chuckle. BTDT. I don't float worth a damn, either. Even in the wide-arm,
wide leg, staring at sky position, I have to keep half-full lungs, and keep
kicking slightly.

aem sends....

wrote:

On Apr 23, 7:15?pm, Clancy Wiggum wrote:
wrote:
add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

ocean isnt salty enough, great salt lake you cant sink, because people
are lighter than the salt filled water


Oh, now I understand. No one has drowned in the Great Lakes, the Dead
Sea, or the Caspian Sea, either - ****tard? Maybe you're thinking of
the salt plains in Nevada.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

Doug Miller writes:

De gustibus non disputandum.

Your Latin would be even more impressive if it were correct.

Oooo, how much more?

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22De...disputandum%22

In article , wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

Take off your weight belt. :-)

Seriously, though, that's pretty unusual. I imagine you work out regularly?

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , Newsgroup wrote:
wrote:

On Apr 23, 7:15?pm, Clancy Wiggum wrote:
wrote:
add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

ocean isnt salty enough, great salt lake you cant sink, because people
are lighter than the salt filled water


Oh, now I understand. No one has drowned in the Great Lakes, the Dead
Sea, or the Caspian Sea, either - ****tard? Maybe you're thinking of
the salt plains in Nevada.

Since when are the Great Lakes *salt* water??

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:
Doug Miller writes:

De gustibus non disputandum.

Your Latin would be even more impressive if it were correct.

Oooo, how much more?

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22De...disputandum%22

Keep Googling. You'll discover your error eventually.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:49 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:

In article , wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

Take off your weight belt. :-)

Seriously, though, that's pretty unusual. I imagine you work out regularly?


I sink too. All the way to the bottom. My mom used to scream at me to
relax so I would quit sinking. And I would gently drift to the bottom of
the pool so relaxed... Its physics. If you want to float, your gonna
have to fatten up... I don't have much fat and I do work out 2-3 times a
week.

Its funny that you mention that. I guess I can ask people from now on if
they float as a way to know their relative build without clueing them in

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:57:14 -0500, Richard J Kinch wrote:

Charlie Morgan writes:


I've seen plenty of blonde kids (no "artificially colored hair") with
green hair from a SWIMMING POOL or SPA, but not from CHLORINE. I have
observed this in pools or spas I know to have copper added, with various
concentrations of chlorine down to ZERO. Morever, I have observed those
same kids in pools I know to have *no* copper but lots of chlorine, and
never found any trace of green.

I defy you to produce a chemical reaction of hair protein plus chlorine
equals anything green.


You realize that there are not many black dies? Most that are black are
really really dark green or blue? Which when bleached turns light green
or light blue?

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:49 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

Take off your weight belt. :-)

Seriously, though, that's pretty unusual. I imagine you work out regularly?

I sometimes exhale and lie on the bottom of a pool for a few seconds.
Without air in your lungs, you sink. Once you start decomposing you
will float. An alternative to decomposing is just to keep air in your
lungs. That's what most of us do.

I was a Lifeguard and cannot float either. Had real problems passing their
tests.

BetsyB



wrote in message
...
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:14:34 -0500, Clancy Wiggum
wrote:

wrote:

On Apr 23, 7:15?pm, Clancy Wiggum wrote:
wrote:
add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

ocean isnt salty enough, great salt lake you cant sink, because people
are lighter than the salt filled water


Oh, now I understand. No one has drowned in the Great Lakes, the Dead
Sea, or the Caspian Sea, either - ****tard? Maybe you're thinking of
the salt plains in Nevada.

Maybe you mean salt flats in Utah.

--
Oren

"I don't have anything against work. I just figure, why deprive somebody who really loves it."

On Apr 24, 8:29 am, "dnoyeB" wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:49 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
In article , wrote:
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:37:52 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:

In article , wrote:

Guess again. Human beings float just fine in fresh water. They float a
little
higher in salt water, that's all.

I must not be human. I don't float.

You sink? All the way to the bottom of a pool?

Always have.

Take off your weight belt. :-)

Seriously, though, that's pretty unusual. I imagine you work out regularly?

I sink too. All the way to the bottom. My mom used to scream at me to
relax so I would quit sinking. And I would gently drift to the bottom of
the pool so relaxed... Its physics. If you want to float, your gonna
have to fatten up... I don't have much fat and I do work out 2-3 times a
week.

Its funny that you mention that. I guess I can ask people from now on if
they float as a way to know their relative build without clueing them in - Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dunno, man- I'm pretty well upholstered, and I don't float worth a
damn. But I'm also tall and wide, and have an extremely large skull,
so maybe the extra bone mass makes up for the blubber.

aem sends...

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:29:10 -0500, "dnoyeB" wrote:



I sink too. All the way to the bottom. My mom used to scream at me to
relax so I would quit sinking. And I would gently drift to the bottom of
the pool so relaxed... Its physics. If you want to float, your gonna
have to fatten up... I don't have much fat and I do work out 2-3 times a
week.

I can float, but I do tense up and then sink. I don't feel safe
because lots of people who can float still drown. I am scared of
drowning, and sort of liked it when I was fat, because I felt much
safer.

I've also been to the Dead Sea. Can't remember the feeling except I
think that it was almost like being in a beanbag chair instead of
water. I'm sure if someone held you vertical with your feet pointing
up, your head would go under the water, but short of that, you're not
going to drown or even get your head under water. You can even roll
over.

Just don't wipe your eyes with your wet hands until you're rinsed off
well in the outdoor showers.

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:39:21 -0400, dgk wrote:

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:36:49 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


Always have.

Take off your weight belt. :-)

Seriously, though, that's pretty unusual. I imagine you work out regularly?

I sometimes exhale and lie on the bottom of a pool for a few seconds.
Without air in your lungs, you sink. Once you start decomposing you
will float. An alternative to decomposing is just to keep air in your
lungs. That's what most of us do.

I had one contracter give an estimate on the pool and he recommended
keeping air in my lungs. The second guy was 1000 dollars cheaper and
recommended decomposing. Which one should I hire?

I sometimes exhale and lie on the bottom of a pool for a few seconds.
Without air in your lungs, you sink. Once you start decomposing you
will float. An alternative to decomposing is just to keep air in your
lungs. That's what most of us do.

The only way I can float is to keep my lungs 100% full. 70% and
I'll start to sink. It makes it difficult to tread water when you have
to expend more energy just to breath.

Bone density, fat percentage, and muscularity determine your buoyancy.

On Apr 24, 7:38�am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article , Newsgroup wrote:
wrote:

On Apr 23, 7:15?pm, Clancy Wiggum wrote:
wrote:
add enough salt and no one can drown. high salt concentrations make
people float.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!

I guess no one ever drowned in the oceans, huh?

ocean isnt salty enough, great salt lake you cant sink, because people
are lighter than the salt filled water

Oh, now I understand. *No one has drowned in the Great Lakes, the Dead
Sea, or the Caspian Sea, either - ****tard? *Maybe you're thinking of
the salt plains in Nevada.

Since when are the Great Lakes *salt* water??

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The great salt lake is NOT a great lakes. Its out west....