Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?

Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?



Well, it won't stall. But it will trip the breaker if you try to exceed
the designed rating.

The EF1000 is rated at 6.67 amps(800VA) continuous, 8.3 amps(1000VA) surge.

It's just not going to start your fridge w/o assistance, like a sizeable
inverter & a battery bank charged from the generator.

Rob

On Apr 2, 2:25�pm, "Toller" wrote:
Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. *(Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. *(Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. *Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... *Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?

stall or trip breaker, in a very marginal operation it might harm the
fridge by continious running undervolt.

wh not get a bigger generator or apartment sized fridge or inverther
and run fridge off your vehicles battery with car running.

Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?



My money says it will start. Fridg motors
take a fraction of a second to get up to speed
and the gennie will likely coast right thru it.

Jim

One of a couple things can happen. Might trip the circuit breaker
on the generator. But more likely, the thermal overload on the
side of the compressor will trip, and then reset after a minute
or two. So, the compressor on the refrig will keep trying to
start but never quite will start.

A hard start kit for the fridge may help. Some appliance guys
(like me!) occasionally use a boost kit for when the starting
components of a compressor go bad.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Toller" wrote in message
...
: Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max.
(Which I don't)
: And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to
run. (Which it
: does)
: What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?
:
: I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to
either. Is
: that right?
:
: Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the
fridge off the
: undersized generator?
:
:

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:25:56 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?


The generator will not stall. The refrigerator will
cause a undervoltage problem during startup. Since
your generator is close to having enough power the
fridge will start, although it will struggle initially.

Speedy Jim wrote in
et:

Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I
don't) And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to
run. (Which it does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to
either. Is that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge
off the undersized generator?



My money says it will start. Fridg motors
take a fraction of a second to get up to speed
and the gennie will likely coast right thru it.

Jim


the voltage may sag for a second.
Usually there's a peak power limit spec,how much overload it can take and
for how long.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
One of a couple things can happen. Might trip the circuit breaker
on the generator. But more likely, the thermal overload on the
side of the compressor will trip, and then reset after a minute
or two. So, the compressor on the refrig will keep trying to
start but never quite will start.

A hard start kit for the fridge may help. Some appliance guys
(like me!) occasionally use a boost kit for when the starting
components of a compressor go bad.

So refrigerators have thermal overloads on them that automatically reset? I
sent an email to the manufacturer asking about that, but they never replied.

My Honda EU2000 produces 13/16a, but the breaker is 20a. On an overload the
engine "pauses". I don't know about the Yamaha, but I figured it was the
same.

So refrigerators have thermal overloads on them that automatically reset? I
sent an email to the manufacturer asking about that, but they never replied.

Yes. They will trip when they get hot by a overcurrent condition.
On a frozen compressor this will occur within five seconds or so.
It will cool and restart within a minute.

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:53:05 GMT, Speedy Jim wrote:

Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

Indeterminate. Depends on too many characteristics of
too many devices.

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?



My money says it will start. Fridg motors
take a fraction of a second to get up to speed
and the gennie will likely coast right thru it.

If I had to pick one-and-only-one, I'd bet the cubic
inch of air in front of your nose on Jim's outcome.

Max continuous amp ratings are usually in the ballpark.

Surge amp ratings are ???

Skoal,
Puddin'
Jim

"Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather
than the victim."
- Bertrand Russell

Then your house will laugh at your small generator and will find a man
with a bigger generator.

i

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 21:36:50 GMT, Puddin' Man
wrote:


Surge amp ratings are ???

It depends. Is the surge supposed to last 100 milliseconds, 4 weeks,
or 24 months? g

It may stall. We tried (just for giggles) to run a hobart MIG welder off my
troy bilt 2500 watt generator. With the welder turned up to about 3/4 of
capacity, pulled the trigger, and it killed the troy bilt engine.

--
Steve Barker

YOU should be the one
controlling YOUR car.
Check out:
www.lightsout.org




"trainfan1" wrote in message
et...
Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which
it does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either.
Is that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off
the undersized generator?

Well, it won't stall. But it will trip the breaker if you try to exceed
the designed rating.

The EF1000 is rated at 6.67 amps(800VA) continuous, 8.3 amps(1000VA)
surge.

It's just not going to start your fridge w/o assistance, like a sizeable
inverter & a battery bank charged from the generator.

Rob

"Steve Barker" wrote in
:

It may stall. We tried (just for giggles) to run a hobart MIG welder
off my troy bilt 2500 watt generator. With the welder turned up to
about 3/4 of capacity, pulled the trigger, and it killed the troy bilt
engine.


One thing to consider;many modern refrigerators have a power-factor
controller built in to increase energy efficiency.

How would the underpowered generator affect it?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

OOH.... that's graphic!

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Ignoramus6419" wrote in
message ...
: Then your house will laugh at your small generator and will
find a man
: with a bigger generator.
:
: i

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:25:56 +0000, Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I don't)
And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to run. (Which it
does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to either. Is
that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge off the
undersized generator?

Historically, refridgerator motors do not play well with brown outs. When
you draw more amperage than the source is able to provide, you get a brown
out. The voltage will simply start lowering. Many appliances will not
function. Some will recieve damage.

"dnoyeB" wrote in
:

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:25:56 +0000, Toller wrote:

Lets say I have a Yamaha EF1000 that can put out 9a max. (Which I
don't) And lets say my refrigerator draws 13a to start, and 1.5a to
run. (Which it does)
What will happen if I try to start the fridge off the genny?

I am guessing the generator will simply stall, with no harm to
either. Is that right?

Now for the really foolish question... Any way to start the fridge
off the undersized generator?

Historically, refridgerator motors do not play well with brown outs.
When you draw more amperage than the source is able to provide, you
get a brown out. The voltage will simply start lowering. Many
appliances will not function. Some will recieve damage.


For damage to occur,the "brownout" has to last for some time,while the V
drop for a motor startup will only last for a brief time.Probably less than
a minute.
Motors are pretty durable.

electronics,OTOH....

So,if your fridge has microprocessor controls,then there could be a
problem.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net