Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:
the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:



Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the brick?

On 25 Mar 2007 19:37:00 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:
the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:



Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the brick?

I think he means, Alter what color you choose so that you choose what
they already gave you. Might that be what he meant?

On Mar 25, 9:37 pm, wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:





the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:

Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the brick?-

Do you always complain when someone gives you a free gift. You got
the front of the house bricked for free. I dont think any type or
color of brick could look all that bad. If you talk it over with
them, they will likely give you the present brick job for free, just
to not have to replace it. After all, it will cost them the loss of
all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and then
the cost for the new bricks and labor. Tell them you'll accept what
is there now as long as you are not charged.

On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get the
exact stuff you ordered, you will have a massive coronary or a
stroke. In that case have them tear the whole house down and start
over. Yes, there will be damage from removing the bricks,
particularly the house wrap.

Next time hire some professional builders that know how to read
blueprints. It sounds like you got some backwoods redneck cooters
doing the job for you.

"HammerBammer" wrote in message
oups.com...
| On Mar 25, 9:37 pm, wrote:
| On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
| consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a
type
| and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.
|
| On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:
|
| Hello,
|
| We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The
front
| of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.
|
| Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on
the
| front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the
job was
| already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and
put the
| correct one up.
|
| My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
| carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new
brick up
| correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
| foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick
detaching
| or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
| flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the
house
| is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes
through the
| plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to
watch
| out for.
|
| Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the
brick?-
|
| Do you always complain when someone gives you a free gift. You got
| the front of the house bricked for free. I dont think any type or
| color of brick could look all that bad.

* stop thinking...............it can look that bad



If you talk it over with
| them, they will likely give you the present brick job for free, just
| to not have to replace it.


*are you kiddin me................free



After all, it will cost them the loss of
| all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and then
| the cost for the new bricks and labor.

*bricks can be re-sold and re-used
no loss except contractors labor.


Tell them you'll accept what
| is there now as long as you are not charged.

*where the heck were you raised?
in the wilderness


|
| On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get the
| exact stuff you ordered,

*and why shouldn't the OP get what they ordered?


you will have a massive coronary or a
| stroke. In that case have them tear the whole house down and start
| over. Yes, there will be damage from removing the bricks,
| particularly the house wrap.


*and why would the housewrap be damaged?
from removing brick ties?
there is an air space between the wall and bricks.


|
| Next time hire some professional builders that know how to read
| blueprints. It sounds like you got some backwoods redneck cooters
| doing the job for you.

*not many builders do masonry work
hire a competant mason.
not to say that the OP's contractor isn't competant
it could have been a common mistake in color order.
one digit in a number code can change the order color.
|

On Mar 26, 5:21 am, "3G" wrote:
"HammerBammer" wrote in message

oups.com...
| On Mar 25, 9:37 pm, wrote:
| On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:
|
|
|
|
|
| the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
| consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a
type
| and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.
|
| On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:
|
| Hello,
|
| We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The
front
| of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.
|
| Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on
the
| front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the
job was
| already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and
put the
| correct one up.
|
| My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
| carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new
brick up
| correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
| foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick
detaching
| or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
| flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the
house
| is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes
through the
| plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to
watch
| out for.
|
| Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -
|
| - Show quoted text -
|
| What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the
brick?-
|
| Do you always complain when someone gives you a free gift. You got
| the front of the house bricked for free. I dont think any type or
| color of brick could look all that bad.

* stop thinking...............it can look that bad

If you talk it over with
| them, they will likely give you the present brick job for free, just
| to not have to replace it.

*are you kiddin me................free

After all, it will cost them the loss of
| all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and then
| the cost for the new bricks and labor.

*bricks can be re-sold and re-used
no loss except contractors labor.

Tell them you'll accept what
| is there now as long as you are not charged.

*where the heck were you raised?
in the wilderness

|
| On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get the
| exact stuff you ordered,

*and why shouldn't the OP get what they ordered?

you will have a massive coronary or a
| stroke. In that case have them tear the whole house down and start
| over. Yes, there will be damage from removing the bricks,
| particularly the house wrap.

*and why would the housewrap be damaged?
from removing brick ties?
there is an air space between the wall and bricks.

|
| Next time hire some professional builders that know how to read
| blueprints. It sounds like you got some backwoods redneck cooters
| doing the job for you.

*not many builders do masonry work
hire a competant mason.
not to say that the OP's contractor isn't competant
it could have been a common mistake in color order.
one digit in a number code can change the order color.
|

3G wrote:
....


If you talk it over with
them, they will likely give you the present brick job for free, just
to not have to replace it.


*are you kiddin me................free



After all, it will cost them the loss of
all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and
then the cost for the new bricks and labor.

*bricks can be re-sold and re-used
no loss except contractors labor.


Most contractors are not going to want to work with used brick and of
course they would be an odd number and might not match if you needed more
etc. The value of the used brick is not going to be equal to new and may
end up costing someone to just dump them, which is most likely.



Tell them you'll accept what
is there now as long as you are not charged.

*where the heck were you raised?
in the wilderness

Makes sense to me. That is the owner is not charged for the original
job. The contractor is going to end up eating more than the cost of the
original job if he has to replace it.




On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get
the exact stuff you ordered,

*and why shouldn't the OP get what they ordered?

Because he now has a choice of getting what he ordered or saving some
real money.

....


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

On 25 Mar 2007 19:01:59 -0700, wrote:

Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Just go ahead and sue them. You will get tens of thousands of
dollars and new brick.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:21:24 -0400, "3G" wrote:



If you talk it over with
| them, they will likely give you the present brick job for free, just
| to not have to replace it.


*are you kiddin me................free

A real possibility. I didn't mention saving money in my prior post in
order to keep the post short.



After all, it will cost them the loss of
| all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and then
| the cost for the new bricks and labor.

*bricks can be re-sold and re-used
no loss except contractors labor.

In addition to what Joe said, how long would he have to wait until
someone wants the color he's saving. 2 years? 10 years? 20 years?

The best he could do is sell them at 20% the original price, if he
could get that. Or use it for some project at his own house.

Tell them you'll accept what
| is there now as long as you are not charged.

*where the heck were you raised?
in the wilderness

In the wilderness, or the frontier, people bartered all the time.
It's some new phenomenon to think one has to stick to the contract and
can't make a compromsie deal in the middle of it, in a case like this.

| On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get the
| exact stuff you ordered,

*and why shouldn't the OP get what they ordered?

Joe put it best.

They should and they still can, but now they have a choice.


it could have been a common mistake in color order.
one digit in a number code can change the order color.

I think these are your words, and I agree with you here.
|

**I once rebuilt a large brick planter using the same bricks. I
didn't know how to get the mortar off without breaking some bricks
(and that meant having non-matching bricks, or buying all new. And my
mother was a tenant renting the place.) So I ended up putting parts
of it together with a thin layer of mortar, like glue. It didn't
look perfect but it looked good and she used it for 3 or 4 more years
until she moved. When I was nearby, I went back 15 years later to see
how long it had lasted. Sadly for me, the new tenant wasn't home and I
couldn't tell if it was the work I had done or had been totally redone
(or when). It's 90 minutes from here, the neighbors werent home
either, I couldn't get their name, and the reverse directory didn't
work. If my patch job lasted 19 years, I'd be quite amazed, but I'm
usually an optimist, so I think it possible.

I guess I only had to rebuild about a third of it. I didn't even take
the dirt out of the planter, except for a couple inches sideways.

mm,

I may have misinterpreted the poster but I thought he was indicating that
they used 2 different colors on his house. The front color, style, texture
is not the same as the sides.

Dave M.

technical reports at www.bia.org

Read how brick is supposed to be installed. Notice flashing around doors
and windows and the metal connections to the studs. Yours probably will not
be done that way. That is why I will never again buy a brick veneer home.




wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!


Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:15:42 -0400, mm
wrote:

On 25 Mar 2007 19:37:00 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:
the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as the brick is of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:



Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of the brick?

I think he means, Alter what color you choose so that you choose what
they already gave you. Might that be what he meant?


This is a good idea, but you should at least ask how much
money they're willing to give back if you don't make them
fix it.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:18:28 GMT, "David Martel"
wrote:

mm,

I may have misinterpreted the poster but I thought he was indicating that
they used 2 different colors on his house. The front color, style, texture
is not the same as the sides.

Dave M.

Oh, yeah, maybe so. When I first read "front" I just thought he only
had brick on the front. I've seen that. Two colors of brick would
probably be worse than one wrong color.

No. I think I read it right the first time, "The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding."

Maybe he'll post back. It's only been 13 hours.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!


Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve


Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.

When I help they seem to charge more. :{ )



--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On Mar 26, 12:22 am, "HammerBammer" wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:37 pm, wrote:



On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, "Mike Holmes" wrote:

the vapor wrap will be destroyed, rendered useless by debricking.
consider altering your color choices as long as thebrickis of a type
and quality consistent with your alternate lifestyle.

On Mar 25, 10:01 pm, wrote:

Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong colorbrickon the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down thebrickand put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the newbrickup
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have anybrickdetaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What do you mean by color choices? Altering the color of thebrick?-

Do you always complain when someone gives you a free gift. You got
the front of the house bricked for free. I dont think any type or
color ofbrickcould look all that bad. If you talk it over with
them, they will likely give you the presentbrickjob for free, just
to not have to replace it. After all, it will cost them the loss of
all these bricks and the labor, PLUS the labor to remove them and then
the cost for the new bricks and labor. Tell them you'll accept what
is there now as long as you are not charged.

On the other hand, you might be a perfectionist and unless you get the
exact stuff you ordered, you will have a massive coronary or a
stroke. In that case have them tear the whole house down and start
over. Yes, there will be damage from removing the bricks,
particularly the house wrap.

Next time hire some professional builders that know how to read
blueprints. It sounds like you got some backwoods redneck cooters
doing the job for you.

Um, i didn't get the front of the house bricked for free -- I PAID FOR
IT

On Mar 26, 12:00 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...



Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong colorbrickon the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down thebrickand put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the newbrickup
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have anybrickdetaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

Thanks Steve, that is very useful. I hope they built your house that
way as well.
That is WHY I am asking in this forum, so I can get information on
what to look for and make sure
they don't cut any corners or overlook a critical step that can lead
to problems in the future.

Please, if you don't have anything constructive to say, then DON'T SAY
IT.

On Mar 26, 12:47 pm, mm wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:18:28 GMT, "David Martel"

wrote:
mm,

I may have misinterpreted the poster but I thought he was indicating that
they used 2 different colors on his house. The front color, style, texture
is not the same as the sides.

Dave M.

Oh, yeah, maybe so. When I first read "front" I just thought he only
hadbrickon the front. I've seen that. Two colors ofbrickwould
probably be worse than one wrong color.

No. I think I read it right the first time, "The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding."

Maybe he'll post back. It's only been 13 hours.

You are right MM, the whole house is HardiPlank except 1/2 of the
front, which is brick.

In article . com, wrote:

Um, i didn't get the front of the house bricked for free -- I PAID FOR
IT

But you might be able to. The contractor will quite likely
eat the cost of the wall he's already built versus the
alternative which will apparently involve demolishing the
wall he just built, making good, and rebuilding a new wall
with new bricks.


--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Mar 27, 12:01 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article . com, wrote:
Um, i didn't get the front of the house bricked for free -- I PAID FOR
IT

But you might be able to. The contractor will quite likely
eat the cost of the wall he's already built versus the
alternative which will apparently involve demolishing the
wall he just built, making good, and rebuilding a new wall
with new bricks.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
|http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I agree, but this brick is so ugly, you have to see it to believe
it.
The first thing that crossed my mind was how to get the brick to stay
on for free -- but it just isn't sane to do it.

On Mar 27, 12:01 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article . com, wrote:
Um, i didn't get the front of the house bricked for free -- I PAID FOR
IT

But you might be able to. The contractor will quite likely
eat the cost of the wall he's already built versus the
alternative which will apparently involve demolishing the
wall he just built, making good, and rebuilding a new wall
with new bricks.

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
|http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Btw, the builder is Pulte -- for whatever it's worth

On Mar 27, 10:01 am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 12:00 pm, "Steve B" wrote:





wrote in message

roups.com...

Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong colorbrickon the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down thebrickand put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the newbrickup
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have anybrickdetaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

Thanks Steve, that is very useful. I hope they built your house that
way as well.
That is WHY I am asking in this forum, so I can get information on
what to look for and make sure
they don't cut any corners or overlook a critical step that can lead
to problems in the future.

Please, if you don't have anything constructive to say, then DON'T SAY
IT.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


If you're real worried about them doing the removal and re-bricking
correctly, I would go have
a chat with the building inspector. He may then keep a better eye on
it for you, particularly if
he has to be in the project to do other inspections anyway.

In article .com, wrote:
On Mar 27, 12:01 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article . com,
wrote:
Um, i didn't get the front of the house bricked for free -- I PAID FOR
IT

But you might be able to. The contractor will quite likely
eat the cost of the wall he's already built versus the
alternative which will apparently involve demolishing the
wall he just built, making good, and rebuilding a new wall
with new bricks.

I agree, but this brick is so ugly, you have to see it to believe
it.
The first thing that crossed my mind was how to get the brick to stay
on for free -- but it just isn't sane to do it.

In that case, you'll have to demand re-construction.

Building on the suggestion of another poster, try and
seek written agreement to some kind of inspection by
you and your agent/representative (in addition to anything
required by local codes) after demolition and making
good but before rebuilding.

If you're really concerned this builder may cut corners
leaving vapor barriers, seals etc. of questionable
integrity, it might even be worth hiring someone to
help keep the builder honest and on the right track ;-)

--
|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
| Gary Player. |
| http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!


Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise
so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come
back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve


Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.


You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.

On Mar 27, 8:05 pm, "Art" wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message

...





On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise
so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come
back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.

You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Your best bet is to hire a home inspector with expertese in this
area. Tell him you want proof of flashing, house wrap and also watch
out for nail pops on the other side of the wall.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:05:47 GMT, "Art"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:


wrote in message
egroups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2 brick and the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong color brick on the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down the brick and put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the new brick up
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have any brick detaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!


Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise
so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come
back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve


Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.


You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.

Gosh you're correct, I wanted to say workmanship. My builder did fix
repairs at their cost.

--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

On Mar 27, 8:05 pm, "Art" wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong colorbrickon the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down thebrickand put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the newbrickup
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have anybrickdetaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise
so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come
back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.

You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.

Or doesn't want to get sued since the correct brick choice is in the
contract we signed

On 28 Mar 2007 12:55:34 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 27, 8:05 pm, "Art" wrote:
"Oren" wrote in message

...



On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:37 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote:

wrote in message
groups.com...
Hello,

We bought a brand new home which is being built as I write. The front
of our house is about 1/2brickand the rest is siding.

Long story short -- they put the completely wrong colorbrickon the
front, which I noticed after I swung by a few days later (the job was
already done). Now they are going to tear down thebrickand put the
correct one up.

My question is this -- how do I make sure that they tear it down
carefully, prep the surface correctly again and put the newbrickup
correctly? I don't know what to look for or what to ask the job
foreman about in order to make sure we don't have anybrickdetaching
or water damage in the future. Do they have to rip off the old
flashing? Will there be possible damage to the house wrap (the house
is wrapped all around). Can they accidentally punch holes through the
plywood? I don't even know what else could go wrong or what to watch
out for.

Thanks for any replies!!!

Let me get this right. You don't know a thing, but want to go supervise
so
they do it right?

Stay away from the jobsite and let them do their work. When you come
back,
if it's not the right color, make them do it again.

Steve

Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.

You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.

Or doesn't want to get sued since the correct brick choice is in the
contract we signed

The builder has another reason to make this right without being sued.

You haven't closed on the house....
--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

On 28 Mar 2007 12:55:34 -0700, wrote:



Nobody mentions a warranty. I bought a home from a builder in '95. I
got a drive by view. There was a problem later and the builder was
right there to fix it. A tree next door contributed damage to a water
main leak for the neighbor, again the builder was right there.

You probably have the only decent builder in the US that stands by his
warranty.

Probably not the only. Although this story is 42 years old, but with
the house my mother bought after my father died, the brick started to
chip, large chips, many an inch or two across and 3/16" thick.

At someone's suggestion, I painted the whole house, iirc, with
silicone of some sort, except for the higher part of the chimney.
That slowed it down a lot, or maybe even stopped it, but the chimney
was not safe anymore, and the walls were chipped and the silicon would
probably have to be redone periodically.

My mother had talked to someone and found out that the builder had
gotten a load of bad brick, and that others had the same problem, and
that he had given them money. My mother called him, and even though
we were not the first owners, and I'm sure he had no legal duty, and
the house was probably 10 years old, and the others were the same age,
he was going to come out and look and probably give us money.

I think he died that week.


We move a couple years later and the new owners had the chimney
rebuilt 1 to 3 feet shorter -- looked sortof funny -- and they also
put in central air on top of the hot air heat. I was at the house 40
years later and it still looked very nice. I didn't think to look at
the bricks. Oh! This might be why there was some splotchy white
finish on them. I don't know how to describe it, but house was a
mixture of red and white. I commented on it. Now I really have to go
look again and see if this was another effort to maintain the brick.

Or doesn't want to get sued since the correct brick choice is in the
contract we signed