I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place.
Thanks
AlanC37



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Wish I could do more to help. I'm in the US, and as a fairly new
HVAC guy, I only work on the older systems. I think the telephone
book is a good idea. Might want to call the manufacturer of the
equipment, and see if they are any help.

Good luck.

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"AlanC37" wrote in message
.. .
: I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat
pump. I need
: someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for
me. I did
: not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have
contacted so far
: don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant
called R410a and
: they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
: Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate
someone in my
: area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have
had no luck
: so far.
: If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would
appreciate a pointer
: to the correct place.
: Thanks
: AlanC37
:
:
:
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On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:12:10 -0400, "AlanC37"
wrote:

I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place.
Thanks
AlanC37

Save yourself some money and buy your own 410a equipment and install
it yourself. You can buy it on ebay and after your system is up and
running, you can sell it on ebay for a profit.

As they say, it is NOT rocket science.

And by the way, R410a does NOT harm the environment.

ps There are some assholes that consider themselves far superior to
others and always tell you such things as "Be careful as you can be
hurt by the high pressure of R410a" or "You should hire a
professional". Don't listen to them as you and every moron over 2
years old already know that **** and they are insulting your
intelligence in telling you that.

Good luck with your project.




..

deke wrote:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:12:10 -0400, "AlanC37"
wrote:


I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place. Thanks AlanC37


Save yourself some money and buy your own 410a equipment and install
it yourself. You can buy it on ebay and after your system is up and
running, you can sell it on ebay for a profit.

As they say, it is NOT rocket science.

And by the way, R410a does NOT harm the environment.

ps There are some assholes that consider themselves far superior to
others and always tell you such things as "Be careful as you can be
hurt by the high pressure of R410a" or "You should hire a
professional". Don't listen to them as you and every moron over 2
years old already know that **** and they are insulting your
intelligence in telling you that. Good luck with your project.


In most places ou have to have all the licenses necessary to install
split system units!
Do NOT mess with that job it is more involved than you know!
Retired HVAC contractor. - udarrell

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AlanC37 wrote:
I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place.
Thanks
AlanC37



Ask the people you bought it from, and the manufacturer.

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You could do him a really great service by posting the install
instructions. Be sure to use big words like evacuate, braze,
superheat, subcooling, and all that stuff.

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"deke" wrote in message
...
:
: Save yourself some money and buy your own 410a equipment and
install
: it yourself. You can buy it on ebay and after your system is
up and
: running, you can sell it on ebay for a profit.
:
: As they say, it is NOT rocket science.
:
: And by the way, R410a does NOT harm the environment.
:

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:00:02 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

You could do him a really great service by posting the install
instructions. Be sure to use big words like evacuate, braze,
superheat, subcooling, and all that stuff.

Are you making those words up????

Oddly enough, most AC installers use those words in conversation.
It goes something like this:

Gee, lets see if we can get the people to evacuate. If we open
enough windows there will be a good braze, and so the house will
be superheat. Then we'll get the AC going, and the subcooling,
and all that stuff will convince em that we're dune guud.

OTOH:
evacuate, braze, superheat, subcooling, and all that stuff might
just be AC and refrigeration terms. You'll have to wonder.

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"deke" wrote in message
...
: On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:00:02 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
: wrote:
:
: You could do him a really great service by posting the install
: instructions. Be sure to use big words like evacuate, braze,
: superheat, subcooling, and all that stuff.
:
: Are you making those words up????
:
:

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:50:41 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Oddly enough, most AC installers use those words in conversation.
It goes something like this:

Gee, lets see if we can get the people to evacuate. If we open
enough windows there will be a good braze, and so the house will
be superheat. Then we'll get the AC going, and the subcooling,
and all that stuff will convince em that we're dune guud.

OTOH:
evacuate, braze, superheat, subcooling, and all that stuff might
just be AC and refrigeration terms. You'll have to wonder.

LOL!

The only one I know is the one that describes my girl friend after I
took her to the Lakers game last night. She was too long missing
after excusing herself to go to the powder room so I went and found
her in the locker room. She was not in heat; she was in superheat!

Deke,
Thanks for the advice and good wishes.
I had asked the manufacturer about qualified installers in my area and was
told that anyone, even me, could do the job by following their installation
instructions. He also said that the machine is pre-charged and no pumps
etc. are needed. Nice huh? I still prefer to use someone who knows what he
is doing (OK I'm a big chicken :-}) and someone else local is coming to look
at the job today. One of the others said that installation costs might be
about the same as the equipment cost. This is too rich for me but something
like half of this (about $500.00 in this case) might be acceptable. Anyone
care to advise on this matter please?
Alan C

"deke" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:12:10 -0400, "AlanC37"
wrote:

I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no
luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a
pointer
to the correct place.
Thanks
AlanC37

Save yourself some money and buy your own 410a equipment and install
it yourself. You can buy it on ebay and after your system is up and
running, you can sell it on ebay for a profit.

As they say, it is NOT rocket science.

And by the way, R410a does NOT harm the environment.

ps There are some assholes that consider themselves far superior to
others and always tell you such things as "Be careful as you can be
hurt by the high pressure of R410a" or "You should hire a
professional". Don't listen to them as you and every moron over 2
years old already know that **** and they are insulting your
intelligence in telling you that.

Good luck with your project.




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In article , "AlanC37" wrote:
I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place.

I've been considering a mini-split heat pump to heat/cool
my home office without the expense of heating/cooling the
entire house.

I'm curious what make and model you selected. Also the
approx installation costs. Please do keep us posted and
the best of luck finding a good installer.

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:55:08 GMT, (Malcolm Hoar)
wrote:

In article , "AlanC37" wrote:
I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating heat pump. I need
someone qualified, in the Ottawa Canada area, to install it for me. I did
not expect this to be a problem but the local guys I have contacted so far
don't want the job since the thing uses a new refrigerant called R410a and
they have no experience or equipment to handle this stuff.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I might locate someone in my
area? I am, of course, working through the phone book but have had no luck
so far.
If this is the wrong newsgroup I apologise and would appreciate a pointer
to the correct place.

I've been considering a mini-split heat pump to heat/cool
my home office without the expense of heating/cooling the
entire house.

I'm curious what make and model you selected. Also the
approx installation costs. Please do keep us posted and
the best of luck finding a good installer.

Sears has some nice quiet window and wall units that cost about $200
and are very efficient - over 11.0 EER.

I've got one in my bedroom that I run max 7 hours/day and only cool
my bedroom and one in my office that I run max 7 hr/day. The central
unit gets run very rarely as the cool spreads thruout the house.

I did have to cut a hole in the wall and knock out some brick, but I
highly recommend it.

I will try and do that thing (keep you informed).
The model I chose is an AirLux 18500 Btu/hr. It uses about 1.25 kW. and
gives some heat, when the outside air is not much below zero Celsius. It
will NOT completely heat my old house but should be pretty good for Air
conditioning in summer. My existing baseboard heaters will continue to
provide the "heavy lifting" in midwinter when outside temperatures are
sometimes as low as -40 deg. (C or F, of course).
Airlux makes their stuff in China and I bought mine from the site below.
I found them through eBay and service and advice has been excellent so far.
I only hope the thing actually works as advertised but their approval rating
is very high. Here is one way to contact them should you so wish
http://www.airlux.ca/index.asp. They make pure air conditioners as well as
the heat pump I bought. Other heat pumps range from 9000 Btu/hr to 24
Btu/hr. My unit cost about C$1000 and a further $200 to get it from BC to
Ontario.
The problem of getting it installed continues. I found another local
company who can handle the r410a refrigerant and they looked at the job and
quickly came back with an estimate of $1250, which I think is too much.
That quote also required that I get a separate quote for running 3 wires for
the 230 V from my service entrance to the outside unit. I can easily do
that myself. I haven't decided yet but I suspect I will attempt the job
myself. My only real concern is that the inside unit is quite large (4 ft
long 13 inches deep and about 1 ft high) and is quite heavy (I'm getting old
and feeble!). I will also have to drill a 2 inch hole through the house
wall which consists, from the inside, of plaster; horsehair stuff; laths;
roughly 12 inch square logs chinked with cement mix; laths; clapboard; soft
board insulation; more laths and finally aluminum siding. Might be fun. No
doubt I can rent a suitable drill somewhere nearby.
This system comes pre-charged and does NOT need vacuum pumps and pumps to
charge the thing with refrigerant unless pipes longer than those supplied
are needed. Looks fairly simple.
Alan C

"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "AlanC37"
wrote:
I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating
I've been considering a mini-split heat pump to heat/cool
my home office without the expense of heating/cooling the
entire house.

I'm curious what make and model you selected. Also the
approx installation costs. Please do keep us posted and
the best of luck finding a good installer.



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In article , "AlanC37" wrote:
I will try and do that thing (keep you informed).
The model I chose is an AirLux 18500 Btu/hr.

Thank you sir. Great info.

My requirements are most modest being in CA. But I would
like to heat/cool my office without the expense of heating/
cooling the entire house. I hate through-the-window and
feel almost the same about through-the-wall. Hence the
interest in a mini-split.

I didn't realize there were pre-charged units available.
Self-installation might be an option after all although
I may need some help putting in the power (within code).

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You will need to vacuum your inside unit before you open the K-valves
and let the r410a in. You don't want any air or moisture in the lines
when you release the refrigerant.

No big deal. You can buy a vacuum pump on ebay for $20. You will
hook it up thru your manifold and watch it overnight and then see if
it holds the vacuum, which indicates whether you have any leaks.





On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:16:37 -0400, "AlanC37"
wrote:

I will try and do that thing (keep you informed).
The model I chose is an AirLux 18500 Btu/hr. It uses about 1.25 kW. and
gives some heat, when the outside air is not much below zero Celsius. It
will NOT completely heat my old house but should be pretty good for Air
conditioning in summer. My existing baseboard heaters will continue to
provide the "heavy lifting" in midwinter when outside temperatures are
sometimes as low as -40 deg. (C or F, of course).
Airlux makes their stuff in China and I bought mine from the site below.
I found them through eBay and service and advice has been excellent so far.
I only hope the thing actually works as advertised but their approval rating
is very high. Here is one way to contact them should you so wish
http://www.airlux.ca/index.asp. They make pure air conditioners as well as
the heat pump I bought. Other heat pumps range from 9000 Btu/hr to 24
Btu/hr. My unit cost about C$1000 and a further $200 to get it from BC to
Ontario.
The problem of getting it installed continues. I found another local
company who can handle the r410a refrigerant and they looked at the job and
quickly came back with an estimate of $1250, which I think is too much.
That quote also required that I get a separate quote for running 3 wires for
the 230 V from my service entrance to the outside unit. I can easily do
that myself. I haven't decided yet but I suspect I will attempt the job
myself. My only real concern is that the inside unit is quite large (4 ft
long 13 inches deep and about 1 ft high) and is quite heavy (I'm getting old
and feeble!). I will also have to drill a 2 inch hole through the house
wall which consists, from the inside, of plaster; horsehair stuff; laths;
roughly 12 inch square logs chinked with cement mix; laths; clapboard; soft
board insulation; more laths and finally aluminum siding. Might be fun. No
doubt I can rent a suitable drill somewhere nearby.
This system comes pre-charged and does NOT need vacuum pumps and pumps to
charge the thing with refrigerant unless pipes longer than those supplied
are needed. Looks fairly simple.
Alan C

"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
...
In article , "AlanC37"
wrote:
I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating
I've been considering a mini-split heat pump to heat/cool
my home office without the expense of heating/cooling the
entire house.

I'm curious what make and model you selected. Also the
approx installation costs. Please do keep us posted and
the best of luck finding a good installer.

Why waste the twenty bucks? Use your Shop-Vac. Like any good
Do-It-Yourselfer.

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You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"deke" wrote in message
...
:
: You will need to vacuum your inside unit before you open the
K-valves
: and let the r410a in. You don't want any air or moisture in
the lines
: when you release the refrigerant.
:
: No big deal. You can buy a vacuum pump on ebay for $20.
You will
: hook it up thru your manifold and watch it overnight and then
see if
: it holds the vacuum, which indicates whether you have any
leaks.
:
:
:
:
:
: On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:16:37 -0400, "AlanC37"
: wrote:
:
: I will try and do that thing (keep you informed).
: The model I chose is an AirLux 18500 Btu/hr. It uses about
1.25 kW. and
: gives some heat, when the outside air is not much below zero
Celsius. It
: will NOT completely heat my old house but should be pretty
good for Air
: conditioning in summer. My existing baseboard heaters will
continue to
: provide the "heavy lifting" in midwinter when outside
temperatures are
: sometimes as low as -40 deg. (C or F, of course).
: Airlux makes their stuff in China and I bought mine from the
site below.
: I found them through eBay and service and advice has been
excellent so far.
: I only hope the thing actually works as advertised but their
approval rating
: is very high. Here is one way to contact them should you so
wish
: http://www.airlux.ca/index.asp. They make pure air
conditioners as well as
: the heat pump I bought. Other heat pumps range from 9000
Btu/hr to 24
: Btu/hr. My unit cost about C$1000 and a further $200 to get
it from BC to
: Ontario.
: The problem of getting it installed continues. I found
another local
: company who can handle the r410a refrigerant and they looked
at the job and
: quickly came back with an estimate of $1250, which I think is
too much.
: That quote also required that I get a separate quote for
running 3 wires for
: the 230 V from my service entrance to the outside unit. I can
easily do
: that myself. I haven't decided yet but I suspect I will
attempt the job
: myself. My only real concern is that the inside unit is quite
large (4 ft
: long 13 inches deep and about 1 ft high) and is quite heavy
(I'm getting old
: and feeble!). I will also have to drill a 2 inch hole through
the house
: wall which consists, from the inside, of plaster; horsehair
stuff; laths;
: roughly 12 inch square logs chinked with cement mix; laths;
clapboard; soft
: board insulation; more laths and finally aluminum siding.
Might be fun. No
: doubt I can rent a suitable drill somewhere nearby.
: This system comes pre-charged and does NOT need vacuum pumps
and pumps to
: charge the thing with refrigerant unless pipes longer than
those supplied
: are needed. Looks fairly simple.
: Alan C
:
: "Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
: ...
: In article ,
"AlanC37"
: wrote:
: I have bought a modern split Air Conditioner/Heating
: I've been considering a mini-split heat pump to heat/cool
: my home office without the expense of heating/cooling the
: entire house.
:
: I'm curious what make and model you selected. Also the
: approx installation costs. Please do keep us posted and
: the best of luck finding a good installer.
: