"Ken Hall" wrote in message
...
My garage was robbed yesterday and they stole over $1000 of tools. I
had collected these over years so I didn't buy them at once and I
can't afford to replace them all at once with the quality I had. In
fact, I'll never be able to afford to replace the drill press with the
same quality. So, I'm going to have to make do with cheaper versions
and upgrade to better ones over time.

Probably the tool I use most is a bench grinder, so I've focused on it
first. Has anybody had any experience with this grinder?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37822

Yes, I know, Harbor Freight, but it's the best price I can find on a
grinder right now.

-- Ken

It's hard to answer that, Ken. The answer is yes, no, maybe, and
definitely!

Any tool choice you make is based on different variables. How much are you
going to use it? Does it need to be a quality instrument, or will it
achieve the goals you need for a lower price? Is it going to be used to
make you money, therefore it can't have a sick day?

For what I use a bench grinder for, I could use any old thing. Or cheap new
thing. But, the thing is, by the time I burn out two or three cheap ones,
and move on to the fourth, I could have bought one good one, and it would
still be going strong. BUT, that involves a larger initial outlay.

It's up to you. I like quality, not replacing it soon, good performance.
But then, I'm not in your boat of having to buy X number of tools with XX
number of $$$.

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on murder because
some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen. I got hit a couple of
years ago for about $3k. All it did was make me do things I should have
done in the first place with regard to security. Glad I'm moving soon to
rural America soon, where shooting people who are scrounging around on your
property is legal. Expecially after dark. No questions asked and minimal
paperwork.

Steve

On Mar 23, 10:06 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Ken Hall" wrote in message

...





My garage was robbed yesterday and they stole over $1000 of tools. I
had collected these over years so I didn't buy them at once and I
can't afford to replace them all at once with the quality I had. In
fact, I'll never be able to afford to replace the drill press with the
same quality. So, I'm going to have to make do with cheaper versions
and upgrade to better ones over time.

Probably the tool I use most is a bench grinder, so I've focused on it
first. Has anybody had any experience with this grinder?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=37822

Yes, I know, Harbor Freight, but it's the best price I can find on a
grinder right now.

-- Ken

It's hard to answer that, Ken. The answer is yes, no, maybe, and
definitely!

Any tool choice you make is based on different variables. How much are you
going to use it? Does it need to be a quality instrument, or will it
achieve the goals you need for a lower price? Is it going to be used to
make you money, therefore it can't have a sick day?

For what I use a bench grinder for, I could use any old thing. Or cheap new
thing. But, the thing is, by the time I burn out two or three cheap ones,
and move on to the fourth, I could have bought one good one, and it would
still be going strong. BUT, that involves a larger initial outlay.

It's up to you. I like quality, not replacing it soon, good performance.
But then, I'm not in your boat of having to buy X number of tools with XX
number of $$$.

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on murder because
some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen. I got hit a couple of
years ago for about $3k. All it did was make me do things I should have
done in the first place with regard to security. Glad I'm moving soon to
rural America soon, where shooting people who are scrounging around on your
property is legal. Expecially after dark. No questions asked and minimal
paperwork.

I live in the sticks and that's not exactly right. If you shoot a
person on your property regardless of the circumstance you are in a
world of civil and criminal trouble. Questions will be asked and you
will be arrested. A round of buckshot over their heads will get rid
of them anyway, without any messy blood and bodies.

If that person is inside your home then you can shoot to kill, without
warning.

"Lawrence" wrote in
oups.com:

On Mar 23, 10:06 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Ken Hall" wrote in message

...





My garage was robbed yesterday and they stole over $1000 of tools.
I had collected these over years so I didn't buy them at once and I
can't afford to replace them all at once with the quality I had.
In fact, I'll never be able to afford to replace the drill press
with the same quality. So, I'm going to have to make do with
cheaper versions and upgrade to better ones over time.

Probably the tool I use most is a bench grinder, so I've focused on
it first. Has anybody had any experience with this grinder?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=3782
2

Yes, I know, Harbor Freight, but it's the best price I can find on
a grinder right now.

-- Ken

It's hard to answer that, Ken. The answer is yes, no, maybe, and
definitely!

Any tool choice you make is based on different variables. How much
are you going to use it? Does it need to be a quality instrument, or
will it achieve the goals you need for a lower price? Is it going to
be used to make you money, therefore it can't have a sick day?

For what I use a bench grinder for, I could use any old thing. Or
cheap new thing. But, the thing is, by the time I burn out two or
three cheap ones, and move on to the fourth, I could have bought one
good one, and it would still be going strong. BUT, that involves a
larger initial outlay.

It's up to you. I like quality, not replacing it soon, good
performance. But then, I'm not in your boat of having to buy X number
of tools with XX number of $$$.

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on murder
because some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen. I got hit
a couple of years ago for about $3k. All it did was make me do
things I should have done in the first place with regard to security.
Glad I'm moving soon to rural America soon, where shooting people
who are scrounging around on your property is legal. Expecially
after dark. No questions asked and minimal paperwork.

I live in the sticks and that's not exactly right.

Yes,it would depend on the individual state and local laws.
In Florida,I believe the new "Make my day" law has enabled people to shoot
to defend their property(no longer any "duty to retreat").
Texas has been said to have permissive laws on shooting trespassers on your
property. **check your local laws**

If you shoot a
person on your property regardless of the circumstance you are in a
world of civil and criminal trouble.

not necessarily.
Only if you're in Mass.,NY,Maryland,or other socialist states.
Most states allow shooting in self-defense "on your property" if you
believe you are in "grave danger",like if they came towards you,perhaps
with a weapon or tool.
**Gotta know your local laws.**

Questions will be asked and you
will be arrested. A round of buckshot over their heads will get rid
of them anyway, without any messy blood and bodies.

If that person is inside your home then you can shoot to kill, without
warning.



Not from behind.(no shots in the back,no shooting a fleeing intruder);that
is still interpreted as murder.

And you shoot to STOP,not "to kill".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Mar 25, 9:50 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
"Lawrence" wrote groups.com:





On Mar 23, 10:06 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Ken Hall" wrote in message

. ..

My garage was robbed yesterday and they stole over $1000 of tools.
I had collected these over years so I didn't buy them at once and I
can't afford to replace them all at once with the quality I had.
In fact, I'll never be able to afford to replace the drill press
with the same quality. So, I'm going to have to make do with
cheaper versions and upgrade to better ones over time.

Probably the tool I use most is a bench grinder, so I've focused on
it first. Has anybody had any experience with this grinder?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...temnumber=3782
2

Yes, I know, Harbor Freight, but it's the best price I can find on
a grinder right now.

-- Ken

It's hard to answer that, Ken. The answer is yes, no, maybe, and
definitely!

Any tool choice you make is based on different variables. How much
are you going to use it? Does it need to be a quality instrument, or
will it achieve the goals you need for a lower price? Is it going to
be used to make you money, therefore it can't have a sick day?

For what I use a bench grinder for, I could use any old thing. Or
cheap new thing. But, the thing is, by the time I burn out two or
three cheap ones, and move on to the fourth, I could have bought one
good one, and it would still be going strong. BUT, that involves a
larger initial outlay.

It's up to you. I like quality, not replacing it soon, good
performance. But then, I'm not in your boat of having to buy X number
of tools with XX number of $$$.

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on murder
because some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen. I got hit
a couple of years ago for about $3k. All it did was make me do
things I should have done in the first place with regard to security.
Glad I'm moving soon to rural America soon, where shooting people
who are scrounging around on your property is legal. Expecially
after dark. No questions asked and minimal paperwork.

I live in the sticks and that's not exactly right.

Yes,it would depend on the individual state and local laws.
In Florida,I believe the new "Make my day" law has enabled people to shoot
to defend their property(no longer any "duty to retreat").
Texas has been said to have permissive laws on shooting trespassers on your
property. **check your local laws**

If you shoot a
person on your property regardless of the circumstance you are in a
world of civil and criminal trouble.

not necessarily.
Only if you're in Mass.,NY,Maryland,or other socialist states.
Most states allow shooting in self-defense "on your property" if you
believe you are in "grave danger",like if they came towards you,perhaps
with a weapon or tool.
**Gotta know your local laws.**

Questions will be asked and you
will be arrested. A round of buckshot over their heads will get rid
of them anyway, without any messy blood and bodies.

If that person is inside your home then you can shoot to kill, without
warning.

Not from behind.(no shots in the back,no shooting a fleeing intruder);that
is still interpreted as murder.

And you shoot to STOP,not "to kill".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah yes, Mr. Janik. You always say you were shooting to stop when
asked. Indeed it varies from state to state and I should have said
so. My state is rather socialist which seem to suit me since I will
never live elsewhere.

The rules I quote are from my state, Minnesota. Everyone that I know
in the rural Northwoods protects their lives and property with deadly
force. I suspect the rural folk of other states do as well. It is
important to know the local law of course if yu want to stay out of
trouble.

One story I have is one day these kids heer were out stealing ATV's
aka four-wheeler motorcyles. It seems they were just going from house
to house on their ATV looking to steal another . I know it sounds
stupid.

They didn't find any at my place but when they got to the neighbors
place they found one and went to work. Knowing the local law, he fired
one blast of pellets over their heads. They decided it was time to
leave. So in these other states would a person be within the law to
actually shoot these kids?

"Lawrence" wrote in
ups.com:

On Mar 25, 9:50 pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
"Lawrence" wrote
groups.com:





On Mar 23, 10:06 pm, "Steve B" wrote:
"Ken Hall" wrote in message

. ..

My garage was robbed yesterday and they stole over $1000 of
tools. I had collected these over years so I didn't buy them at
once and I can't afford to replace them all at once with the
quality I had. In fact, I'll never be able to afford to replace
the drill press with the same quality. So, I'm going to have to
make do with cheaper versions and upgrade to better ones over
time.

Probably the tool I use most is a bench grinder, so I've focused
on it first. Has anybody had any experience with this grinder?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...f?Itemnumber=3
782 2

Yes, I know, Harbor Freight, but it's the best price I can find
on a grinder right now.

-- Ken

It's hard to answer that, Ken. The answer is yes, no, maybe, and
definitely!

Any tool choice you make is based on different variables. How
much are you going to use it? Does it need to be a quality
instrument, or will it achieve the goals you need for a lower
price? Is it going to be used to make you money, therefore it
can't have a sick day?

For what I use a bench grinder for, I could use any old thing. Or
cheap new thing. But, the thing is, by the time I burn out two or
three cheap ones, and move on to the fourth, I could have bought
one good one, and it would still be going strong. BUT, that
involves a larger initial outlay.

It's up to you. I like quality, not replacing it soon, good
performance. But then, I'm not in your boat of having to buy X
number of tools with XX number of $$$.

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on
murder because some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen.
I got hit a couple of years ago for about $3k. All it did was
make me do things I should have done in the first place with
regard to security.
Glad I'm moving soon to rural America soon, where shooting people
who are scrounging around on your property is legal. Expecially
after dark. No questions asked and minimal paperwork.

I live in the sticks and that's not exactly right.

Yes,it would depend on the individual state and local laws.
In Florida,I believe the new "Make my day" law has enabled people to
shoot to defend their property(no longer any "duty to retreat").
Texas has been said to have permissive laws on shooting trespassers
on your property. **check your local laws**

If you shoot a
person on your property regardless of the circumstance you are in a
world of civil and criminal trouble.

not necessarily.
Only if you're in Mass.,NY,Maryland,or other socialist states.
Most states allow shooting in self-defense "on your property" if you
believe you are in "grave danger",like if they came towards
you,perhaps with a weapon or tool.
**Gotta know your local laws.**

Questions will be asked and you
will be arrested. A round of buckshot over their heads will get
rid of them anyway, without any messy blood and bodies.

If that person is inside your home then you can shoot to kill,
without warning.

Not from behind.(no shots in the back,no shooting a fleeing
intruder);that is still interpreted as murder.

And you shoot to STOP,not "to kill".

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah yes, Mr. Janik.

That's Yanik.

Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net


You always say you were shooting to stop when
asked. Indeed it varies from state to state and I should have said
so. My state is rather socialist which seem to suit me since I will
never live elsewhere.

The rules I quote are from my state, Minnesota. Everyone that I know
in the rural Northwoods protects their lives and property with deadly
force. I suspect the rural folk of other states do as well. It is
important to know the local law of course if yu want to stay out of
trouble.

One story I have is one day these kids heer were out stealing ATV's
aka four-wheeler motorcyles. It seems they were just going from house
to house on their ATV looking to steal another . I know it sounds
stupid.

They didn't find any at my place but when they got to the neighbors
place they found one and went to work. Knowing the local law, he fired
one blast of pellets over their heads. They decided it was time to
leave. So in these other states would a person be within the law to
actually shoot these kids?



Yes,Why not?

BTW,how old are these "kids"?

Old enough to drive ATVs unsupervised;old enough to know right from wrong.
(if they don't want to get shot,then they shouldn't trespass and steal)

Why do you excuse thievery?

and it's NOT stealing to feed one's family or self,nor a petty crime.
Just plain stealing,items worth a substantial amount of money,that the
owners WORKED hard to earn the money to buy them.
Owning property is a basic FREEDOM that citizens of the US enjoy,an
important freedom.Stealing from me takes away my freedom.

And I don't even want to hear that "insurance will cover it" CRAP;that just
spreads the costs of theivery around a bit,and there's still deductibles.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Mar 23, 11:06 pm, "Steve B" wrote:

Bummer about being robbed. Too bad society frowns so much on murder because
some people don't deserve to be consuming oxygen. I got hit a couple of
years ago for about $3k. All it did was make me do things I should have
done in the first place with regard to security. Glad I'm moving soon to
rural America soon, where shooting people who are scrounging around on your
property is legal. Expecially after dark. No questions asked and minimal
paperwork.

Yeah, that's pretty reassuring when your kid is a passenger in some
other kid's barely running jalopy late at night out where the cell
phones don't work.

On the other hand, anybody touches my tools or my car, I would happily
consign them to the ninth circle of hell; but I need to be sure who it
is and what they are doing first.

One story I have is one day these kids heer were out stealing ATV's
aka four-wheeler motorcyles. It seems they were just going from house
to house on their ATV looking to steal another . I know it sounds
stupid.

They didn't find any at my place but when they got to the neighbors
place they found one and went to work. Knowing the local law, he fired
one blast of pellets over their heads. They decided it was time to
leave. So in these other states would a person be within the law to
actually shoot these kids?

Yes,Why not?

I did not suggest they should not be shot just asked if it would be
allowed in states like Texas or Florida. But since you ask here is an
answer: Because it is easier to just scare them off. Also: there
would be fewer moral and legal implications regardless of the state
you live in. Those are good reasons regardless of your position on
the subject.

BTW,how old are these "kids"?

I never asked their age just assumed they were youngsters since they
were so seemingly clumsy and inexperienced as thieves the way they
were just going up to each house on their noisy motorcycle and not
even caring if anyone is home. You could follow their tracks going up
to each house in turn. They would just come right up each driveway.

Old enough to drive ATVs unsupervised;old enough to know right from wrong.
(if they don't want to get shot,then they shouldn't trespass and steal)

Agreed. The neighbor called the sherriff and learned that others had
already called before him. The cops chased them to a nearby wooded
area where they had to leave the ATV and ran into the woods. They put
up a perimeter and threatened the kids with a police dog. They gave
up. It turns out they were the children of a nearby farmer, a very
well known man. I learned all this third hand from the neighbor.

Why do you excuse thievery?

I have never done so. I am happy to shoot a thief where it is within
the law. It is not within the law where I live, Minnesota. I keep my
shotgun loaded nevertheless.

and it's NOT stealing to feed one's family or self,nor a petty crime.
Just plain stealing,items worth a substantial amount of money,that the
owners WORKED hard to earn the money to buy them.
Owning property is a basic FREEDOM that citizens of the US enjoy,an
important freedom.Stealing from me takes away my freedom.

And I don't even want to hear that "insurance will cover it" CRAP;that just
spreads the costs of theivery around a bit,and there's still deductibles.

Look man, take it easy. I did not disagree with you, just asked a
simple question.

"Lawrence" wrote in
oups.com:

One story I have is one day these kids heer were out stealing ATV's
aka four-wheeler motorcyles. It seems they were just going from
house to house on their ATV looking to steal another . I know it
sounds stupid.

They didn't find any at my place but when they got to the neighbors
place they found one and went to work. Knowing the local law, he
fired one blast of pellets over their heads. They decided it was
time to leave. So in these other states would a person be within
the law to actually shoot these kids?

Yes,Why not?

I did not suggest they should not be shot just asked if it would be
allowed in states like Texas or Florida. But since you ask here is an
answer: Because it is easier to just scare them off. Also: there
would be fewer moral and legal implications regardless of the state
you live in. Those are good reasons regardless of your position on
the subject.

BTW,how old are these "kids"?

I never asked their age just assumed they were youngsters since they
were so seemingly clumsy and inexperienced as thieves the way they
were just going up to each house on their noisy motorcycle and not
even caring if anyone is home. You could follow their tracks going up
to each house in turn. They would just come right up each driveway.

Old enough to drive ATVs unsupervised;old enough to know right from
wrong. (if they don't want to get shot,then they shouldn't trespass
and steal)

Agreed. The neighbor called the sherriff and learned that others had
already called before him. The cops chased them to a nearby wooded
area where they had to leave the ATV and ran into the woods. They put
up a perimeter and threatened the kids with a police dog. They gave
up. It turns out they were the children of a nearby farmer, a very
well known man. I learned all this third hand from the neighbor.

Why do you excuse thievery?

I have never done so. I am happy to shoot a thief where it is within
the law. It is not within the law where I live, Minnesota. I keep my
shotgun loaded nevertheless.

and it's NOT stealing to feed one's family or self,nor a petty crime.
Just plain stealing,items worth a substantial amount of money,that
the owners WORKED hard to earn the money to buy them.
Owning property is a basic FREEDOM that citizens of the US enjoy,an
important freedom.Stealing from me takes away my freedom.

And I don't even want to hear that "insurance will cover it"
CRAP;that just spreads the costs of theivery around a bit,and there's
still deductibles.

Look man, take it easy. I did not disagree with you, just asked a
simple question.



Sorry.
you said in your original post that you enjoyed living in a socialist
state,so I figured you supported all that socialist nonsense.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Sorry.
you said in your original post that you enjoyed living in a socialist
state,so I figured you supported all that socialist nonsense.

I like it quite well in Minnesota and never want to leave my home
here. Why I like it has nothing to do with socialism. Minnesota is
a very large state and sentiment varies widely. Where I live, up
north, the government doesn't bother us much. I live in a rural area
and am free to use and develop my property with almost no
restrictions.

Some states are more left leaning than others that's natural. I don't
believe that any of the 50 state can truly be called socialist. It
useful rhetoric for those on the right but not really accurate.

England, France, and Germany are truly socialist states and none of
the United States comes anywhere close to the big government policies
of those states. Vermont and Massachusetts perhaps come the
closest.

Minnesota has quite a history of leftist politics but things have
changed a lot. Our republican governor won the last election, the one
where almost no republican won. We have a very right wing Senator,
Norm Coleman. Now Al Franken is going to run against him in the next
election. It should be interesting if nothing else.

Lawrence wrote:
Minnesota has quite a history of leftist politics but things have
changed a lot.

Soon you'll be allowed to shoot someone for converting from Islam to
some other religion.

--
Pork: It's the other white flag!
-- James Lileks