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What wood is this?
In article t, Norminn wrote:
Just for the sake of argument, I don't believe either oak or ash would ALWAYS appear completely distinctively. You're mistaken. :-) Oak does. I'm familiar with the look of oak, but not the terminology. Rays or flakes? I dunno. Here, look at this: http://www.standupdesks.com/images/quartersawn.jpg That's what quartersawn oak looks like. And if the wood in the photo were oak, some of that figure would be visible -- plainly -- at the right-hand side of the photo, where the grain is quartersawn. It isn't, and therefore the wood is not oak. Oak is more open grained, as I understand, and the photo makes the wood look open grained. Grain is so close together, I don't see how it would be determined other figures should or should not appear? Figure such as is visible in the image I referenced above will appear in oak, regardless of how close together the grain lines are. It's caused by physical structures in the tree that appear on their edges when the board is flatsawn (whence the short, dark lines between the grain on flatsawn oak), and on their faces when the board is quartersawn (as shown in the image referenced above). These structures are present in all North American species of oak, and are visible regardless of the manner in which the wood is sawn, or the separation between the grain lines, or any other factor. That they are *not* visible in Don's photograph is incontrovertible proof that the wood in Don's photograph is unquestionably *not* oak. And neither are they obscured by the stain: these ray structures do not absorb stain nearly as readily as the rest of the wood, and staining makes them stand out even more. All the old homes I've seen that had "oak" woodwork may well have had ash (or something else), but never seen one with wood identified as ash ) Ash used more in furniture? As I've noted several times before in this thread, they are *often* confused. Ash is frequently used as a lower-cost substitute for oak, because most people can't tell the difference. Both are widely used in furniture making. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article t, Norminn wrote:
clipped Again, pardon me if I question your wood identification. *Red* oak has a faintly vomit- or urine-like odor to it. *White* oak smells like toast and vanilla. This is getting funny. I don't know what red oak smells like, but the other two are very, very familiar and not at all alike! Jeesh! It's a sour odor. Not quite like either of the more "familiar" ones. The point is, white oak doesn't smell one damn thing like vomit. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article et, Norminn wrote:
clipped And if he uses ash, he'll have an exact match -- because that's what it is. Not so. Age, patina, and the old finish will be hard to match. I meant, obviously, that he'll have an exact match to the wood, not to the finish. And anything that he might do to try to match the finish won't result in a matching product if he starts out with the wrong wood. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:32:01 -0500, Goedjn wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why OP is trying to make the finial match the finial in his neighbor's house, instead of making it match the post, the railing, or the finial at the other end (if there is one). Because my house is one of ten row houses. With the exception of a few things, like fireplace mantles and some extra trellises, all the houses were identical. The missing finial is on the ground floor. Woods varied by floor. In my house the ground floor is oak. Then the parlor floor is mahogany. The upper two floors are poplar. At the other end of the railing, and upwards through the house, the finials are simple balls with three engraved strips around them. This one is the only one like this. That is why I used a neighbor's house to photograph and measure it. I got a large caliper and we took very detailed measurements. As for the recommendation for Rosenzweig to get the wood. Thanks for the suggestion, but my friend lives in Calgary and he says he can easily get either ash or white oak. (He was visiting when we measured it.) Gee. I wasn't expecting to start such a long and controversial thread! Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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What wood is this?
oak - NOT
ash - NOT it is gum wood many old world turned pieces were gum wood. that is what it looks like. "Don Wiss" wrote in message ... |I have an 1891 row house in Brooklyn. One of my newel post finials is | missing. But neighbors with identical houses still have theirs. So a friend | of mine that is adept with a lathe has offered to make me a new one. We | have photographed and measured it. But what is the wood? A fellow that I | once was going to hire to make it said white oak. Then my friend thought it | was Douglas fir. But a friend of his that comes from Eastern Canada says it | is definitely yellow pine, and pointed out several features that are | inconsistent with Douglas fir. Now the only pine in my house is the floors. | And the wainscoting near the finial is oak. My friend says oak is easier to | turn. What do you guys think it is? [Warning, this was not reduced in size, | so it is 441MB.] | | http://donwiss.com/finial.jpg | | Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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In article , "Cabinets Galore" wrote:
oak - NOT ash - NOT it is gum wood Nope. It's ash. many old world turned pieces were gum wood. This isn't in the Old World. that is what it looks like. No, it's not. "Don Wiss" wrote in message .. . |I have an 1891 row house in Brooklyn. One of my newel post finials is | missing. But neighbors with identical houses still have theirs. So a friend | of mine that is adept with a lathe has offered to make me a new one. We | have photographed and measured it. But what is the wood? A fellow that I | once was going to hire to make it said white oak. Then my friend thought it | was Douglas fir. But a friend of his that comes from Eastern Canada says it | is definitely yellow pine, and pointed out several features that are | inconsistent with Douglas fir. Now the only pine in my house is the floors. | And the wainscoting near the finial is oak. My friend says oak is easier to | turn. What do you guys think it is? [Warning, this was not reduced in size, | so it is 441MB.] | | http://donwiss.com/finial.jpg | | Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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ash mistaken for oak?
huh what the......... ash and oak are total different oak has deep grain whereas ash is like virgin wood,blemish free stop making an ash out of yourself Douggy dis-sed by a bitch again.........................ouch! "Doug Miller" wrote in message . net... | In article , "HeyBub" wrote: | Don Wiss wrote: | | From the variety of answers it would seem that it doesn't matter what kind | of wood it is inasmuch as no one can definitively tell. | | Speak for yourself. I can. It's ash. | | Ash is frequently mistaken for oak, as this thread clearly illustrates. But | oak has unmistakable ray flakes plainly visible in quartersawn grain. The | absence of this figure is absolute proof that the wood in Don's photograph is | unquestionably *not* oak. | | It's ash. | | -- | Regards, | Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) | | It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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"Cabinets Galore" wrote in message ... ash mistaken for oak? huh what the......... ash and oak are total different oak has deep grain whereas ash is like virgin wood,blemish free I'd agree about red oak, but white is not so deep grained. Considering the age of the wood, the finish that has darkened, the quality of the photo, I'm not sure that any of us can say for sure what wood it is. http://www.afpcorp.com/WhiteOakLumber.html http://www.afpcorp.com/WhiteAshLumber.html http://www.righteouswoods.net/ash.html http://www.righteouswoods.net/white_oak.html |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:30:40 GMT, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:27:37 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote: "avid_hiker" wrote: Western Red Cedar possibly if not the Douglas Fir? What ya think? The OP's photo doesn't even resemble any type of cedar or fir. It is *unquestionably* a hardwood, and it's almost certainly ash specifically. Mr. Miller There are so many variables. You cannot tell with by this photo alone what species it is. One can only make asumptions for what was available locally. You need to physically have the piece in hand or a picture of the whole entire post for more clues. I've graded/inspected all types of wood for 30 years. So I believe my opinion is fairly good. Hi Dale, In dicussing the various pictures that I took with the friend that is going to do the turning, he suggested I put up a couple other pictures which he thinks best show the grain. So here are two more (also unreduced): http://donwiss.com/finial-2.jpg http://donwiss.com/finial-3.jpg Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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Hello all wood detectives --
A quick first impression is that we may be looking at chestnut, especially if it's from an older house in the northeast. "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message . net... "Cabinets Galore" wrote in message ... ash mistaken for oak? huh what the......... ash and oak are total different oak has deep grain whereas ash is like virgin wood,blemish free I'd agree about red oak, but white is not so deep grained. Considering the age of the wood, the finish that has darkened, the quality of the photo, I'm not sure that any of us can say for sure what wood it is. http://www.afpcorp.com/WhiteOakLumber.html http://www.afpcorp.com/WhiteAshLumber.html http://www.righteouswoods.net/ash.html http://www.righteouswoods.net/white_oak.html |
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In article , "vernal888" wrote:
Hello all wood detectives -- A quick first impression is that we may be looking at chestnut, especially if it's from an older house in the northeast. Hmmmm... hadn't considered that possibility, and you may be right. I still think it's ash, but I'm less sure of that now than I was previously. I continue to stand behind my previous statements that it is not any sort of oak. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007, vernal888 wrote:
Hello all wood detectives -- A quick first impression is that we may be looking at chestnut, especially if it's from an older house in the northeast. Chestnut is often used in the houses around here. While I have poplar on the top two floors, some of the grander houses have chestnut on the floor just above the parlor floor. Don www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom). |
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