How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, wrote:
Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I should note this is a keyed "entry" lock, with no screws in the keyed
half of the lock. If the keyhole reverses, it must be via some sort of
lever or tab as there is no way I can even see to get the knob off.

I think the door entry lock part number is Kwikset 25513-001.

Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800, wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:26:56 -0800, wrote:
So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package!
Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?

The knob entry lock looks much like the photograph here
http://www.inspectiondollars.com/kwiksetpuller.pdf

I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool just to
get the lock to fit a right hand door.

Assuming left hand and right hand doors are each half the doors in the
world, it seems inconceivable to me that we'd need a hundred dollar tool
for half the houses of the world!

I must be missing something simple.

Do YOU know where SIMPLE instructions might be for switching a Kwikset
entry lock keyway from upside down to right side up?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.

What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door entry lock
that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!

Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!

I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I can't
figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture us so.

pull off the striker plate (on the back set) rotate the striker bolt 180
degrees then reinstall lockset.



wrote in message
. ..
| On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
| I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
| just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
| I must be missing something simple.
|
| I give up.
| I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
| instead of upside down in my right hand door.
|
| It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
|
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html
|
| Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50
dollar
| Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.
|
| What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door entry
lock
| that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!
|
| Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!
|
| I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I can't
| figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture us so.

wrote in message
...
| |
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).




this theory holds true if the doors are "out-swing" doors
"in-swing" doors are hinged the opposite.

example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I'm not sure, but...

....why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

--
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
| wrote:
| How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?
|
| I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
| "Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
| knobs and two deadbolts.
|
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the
two keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).
|
| It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that
all my
| lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
| the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
|
| Do you know how?
|
| I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the
lock knob
| keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
| http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
|
| Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
| set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
| right-hand door?
|
| The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
| tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side
up.
|
| Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?
|
| I'm not sure, but...
|
| ...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
| quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
| metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
| inclined.
|
| I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I
could
| easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of
boots
| - I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the
door.


or your hip and knee would give out, or maybe twist your ankle.
If this is a bet
I will take that bet and raise you $100 that you can not kick off a
kwikset lock.
even the firemen had to use an ax to get in my neighbors house when it
caught fire last year.
and yes they had kwikset locks.



|
| Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
| it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

not true
kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
do I hear another bet?


|
| nate
|
|

locks are to keep the honest people honest.
criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.

I learned how to disassemble Kwikkies from the locksmiths who
trained me. I don't know of any web sites to help out.

Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
...
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits
All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates
the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on
the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on
the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package
that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how
to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand
knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of
the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset
lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up
for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French,
but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is
right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?

I've never net searched this question. I use a cylinder removal
tool which I got from my wholesale parts house. You have to
remove the center shaft, and snap the cylinder out. Snap it back
in (right side up) and replace the center shaft.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT,
wrote:
Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?

I should note this is a keyed "entry" lock, with no screws in
the keyed
half of the lock. If the keyhole reverses, it must be via some
sort of
lever or tab as there is no way I can even see to get the knob
off.

I think the door entry lock part number is Kwikset 25513-001.

Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip
a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

Oh, so it sounds like you found some instructions.

They probably randomly ship right or left hand locks. So, it's
guess and miss if they will fit.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to
flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my Kwikset
entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER in
order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down keyhole to
a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the
package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

I didn't look at your link, but a "kwikset puller" is probably
different than the cylinder removal tool that I use. My cylinder
removal tool cost less than a dollar at my parts house.

You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:26:56 -0800,
wrote:
So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on
the package!
Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

The knob entry lock looks much like the photograph here
http://www.inspectiondollars.com/kwiksetpuller.pdf

I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal
tool just to
get the lock to fit a right hand door.

Assuming left hand and right hand doors are each half the doors
in the
world, it seems inconceivable to me that we'd need a hundred
dollar tool
for half the houses of the world!

I must be missing something simple.

Do YOU know where SIMPLE instructions might be for switching a
Kwikset
entry lock keyway from upside down to right side up?

Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner. If you were
interested in having it done, you could likely find a locksmith
who would come out and do the install for you. And then he (she?)
could do the cylinder removal for you. Actually, it doesn't
surprise me that you're not a locksmith customer. If you were,
you'd have the job all done by now. And you wouldn't be posting
repeatedly to usenet looking for free advice.

By trying to save a buck on buying your own lock, you wasted
several hours of your life. What is your life worth? What is your
time worth? Was that a good use of your time? Spend hours to
learn something you'll need twice in your life?

Just call a locksmith and be done with it.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800,
wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder
removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right
side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.

http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this
50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.

What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door
entry lock
that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!

Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!

I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I
can't
figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture
us so.

I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
back.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH
better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
inclined.

I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions
that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair
of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off
the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point
worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

--
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock
knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I'm not sure, but...

...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.



I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

kitchens etc. wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
| wrote:
| How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?
|
| I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
| "Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
| knobs and two deadbolts.
|
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the
two keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).
|
| It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that
all my
| lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
| the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
|
| Do you know how?
|
| I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the
lock knob
| keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
| http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
|
| Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
| set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
| right-hand door?
|
| The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
| tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side
up.
|
| Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?
|
| I'm not sure, but...
|
| ...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
| quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
| metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
| inclined.
|
| I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I
could
| easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of
boots
| - I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the
door.


or your hip and knee would give out, or maybe twist your ankle.
If this is a bet
I will take that bet and raise you $100 that you can not kick off a
kwikset lock.
even the firemen had to use an ax to get in my neighbors house when it
caught fire last year.
and yes they had kwikset locks.



|
| Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
| it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

not true
kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
do I hear another bet?

You're on because I know I will win, because I actually had to break
into my last house once because my landlady inadvertantly locked the
front screen door on me and I didn't have a key to the back door. It is
a kwikset and I got into the house using only my library card. I've
done this before on other similar locks using a flexible plastic sheet
intended for protecting the little "in case of fire" placards you see
mounted over fire alarm pull stations. (it is so thoughtful of building
engineers to put just the tool you need to break into a space right near
the exit doors LOL)

locks are to keep the honest people honest.

AGREED!

criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.

You've got a better chance of a neighbor hearing someone break a window
than you do having them hear someone "card" a lockset. And I can do it
with pretty much any lockset, not just kwikset. If you don't have a
deadbolt, you essentially have no security at all.

nate

--
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

I believe the doorknob has to be turned the opposite direction also,
depending on what side of the door the lock is, and that that would be
true even if the keyhole were reversed top to bottom. Isn't that true
of your previous lock? People learn to do that automatically with
time.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice. A
door that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges
on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same door
pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep in
your pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DanG
A live Singing Valentine quartet,
a sophisticated and elegant way to say I LOVE YOU!
(local)
http://www.singingvalentines.com/ (national)


"kitchens etc." kitchen_cabinets@work wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
| |
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates
the two
keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge
on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on
the
right).




this theory holds true if the doors are "out-swing" doors
"in-swing" doors are hinged the opposite.

example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.

wrote:

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Kwikset probably thinks that it's crazy that anyone would care which
direction the keyhole would be. There isn't a "right-side-up" because
it's different on doors with the hole on the right than on the left.

Do you know how?

If you buy the after-market Kwikset re-keying kit at Home Depot, it
comes with the tools, and instructions. You can put the cylinder back in
either way. The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed. I've done
rekeying of Kwikset locks many times, I just did one a few weeks ago.

See:

"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

I think that you'll have the same issue with any brand of lock you buy.
You'll have to disassemble it to remove the cylinder and flip it over if
you want the keyhole in the opposite orientation.

In article ,
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".


Gary

--
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Astronomers have developed a definition of "planet" which excludes Pluto.
I'm developing a definition of "scientist" which excludes astronomers.

That is the most ignorant way I've ever seen to designate hand. Now tell me
just what is the difference between a right hand reverse and a left hand?

--
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"DanG" wrote in message
...
It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice. A door
that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges on the right
hand side, is a right hand door. The same door pulling toward you is a
right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep in your
pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm

The handing designations of doors was old and established when I
started out as a cub (I am due to retire). I do not know the
origination.

In most residential settings it makes little or no difference. I
tell my fellas, to reduce confusion, to put their back to the
hinges and see which arm would be the door.

Right and left hand reverse makes huge differences in mortise
locks, panic bars, and closers; though most of these have become
more user friendly through the years.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
That is the most ignorant way I've ever seen to designate hand.
Now tell me just what is the difference between a right hand
reverse and a left hand?

--
Steve Barker


"DanG" wrote in message
...
It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice.
A door that swings away from you as you approach it with the
hinges on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same
door pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep
in your pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm

mm wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:


How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).


You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

good. If the key's teeth point down, someday half a century down the
road when one of the tumbler springs breaks or loses tension, you could
be locked out of your house when one of the tumblers jams. If the teeth
point up, then gravity will help the springs and as long as the lock
isn't gummed up, it will open with the correct key even if there are
*no* springs inside.

nate

--
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:31:06 -0500, mm wrote:
You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?
Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Hi mm,

Thank you for the advice.

Yes, I want the key to be "right side up".
That means the flat part of the key blade is downward and the notched part
of the key is upward.

If I rotate the whole lock/knob assembly 180 degrees laterally, the keyhole
is on the INSIDE of the house instead of the OUTSIDE. If I rotate 180
degrees horzontally, I'd need a two-foot-long entry door latch coming out
from the hinge side instead of a five-inch entry door latch protruducing
from the door-lock side of the door.

I hope that explains things a bit.
Good luck to you,

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:39:06 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner. If you were
interested in having it done, you could likely find a locksmith

Hi there Stormin Mormom,
I do appreciate your expert advice.

The old lock jammed probably because the old five-inch long entry latch
bent inside somewhere.

So, just before Home Depot closed for the evening, I stopped by, asked for
help, and picked up a four-lock set (two deadbolts and two entry lock
knobs) for about fifty dollars. I figured it would take all of a half hour
to replace something as "simple" as a lock (I know.... I know ... it wasn't
so simple in the end but I didn't know that so it didn't play into my
decision tree).

To be frank, I could have bought just one lock or even just one five-inch
latch. The main reason I didn't buy just the latch is that I didn't know
what else would break so I wanted to replace the whole configuration. The
main reason I bought four locks instead of just one is I wanted to do a
good job by replacing them all, instead of just repairing the one broken
entry lock. I want one key for the whole house (including deadbolts and
entry knobs).

I started the job by nightfall assuming it would be done before dinner and
as you can tell, it was midnight before I finally gave up for the night.

I guess I COULD have called a locksmith to install the four locks, but
they'd have to get here before midnight to do me any good. Again, since I
erroneously believed the "fits all doors" and "easy installation" claims of
the package, I erred by not realizing that it didn't fit all doors (not
without removing the cylinder) and the installation instructions were
silent on this key task!

In the end, I simply installed a new five-inch latch and put the old lock
back on. It's not as good a job, but I will have to get the right tool
first.

Thank you for your expert advice.

My intention was to replace the lock and deadbolt on the outside door

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:35:57 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.

Hi Stormin Mormom,

Thank you for your advice. I will try to buy the one-dollar
cylinder-reversing tool that is described at http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

Following those instructions, I was easily able to pop out the center shaft
but I was unable, with a screwdriver, to pop out the cylinder.

I assume I can pick up the cylinder removal tool at a local hardware store?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:54:03 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

I took the advice of the Home Depot salesman. I didn't inherently have any
gut feelings either way for Yale, Schlage, Kwikset, etc.

I do now have a very bad instinctive "feeling" about Kwikset. Basically,
they lied blatantly on their package. That puts them at the very bottom of
the pile now for me as that shows they don't have any ethics.

That in and of itself does not mean their locks are any worse than the
competition. It just means I deplore their marketing practices and I can
easily vote with my dollars in another direction.

The key question is whether the OTHER manufacturers are as bad?
Are they?

Which manufacture is most honest about how "easy" it is to install their
locks in the proper configuration?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500, George wrote:
And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.

Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:32:18 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?

I picked up the locks at Home Depot and the five-inch latch at OSH because
Home Depot doesn't carry them. I buy all my Craftsman tools at Sears.

That's about it for my general hardware needs. If I can't find it at one of
those three hardware stores, I call someone to do the work.

I did believe the package instructions which said "easy to install", and
"installs in minutes". My bad.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:31:28 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
the key's teeth point down

Thank you Nate.

I can't stand locks lazily put in upside down.

The "teeth" should most definately point UP!

Anyone who does anything else, is paid too much!

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:59:39 -0800, SMS wrote:
The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed.
"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

THANK YOU SMS!

That was EXACTLY what I was looking for! Without the tool, I was able to
get to step 5 of your first web URL but no farther with just a screwdriver.

The only problem I see with your otherwise fantastic instructions is the
size of the pictures. Size does matter when your eyes are old like mine!

I need to print out your instrucdtions, which are perhaps the absoloute
BEST ON THE WEB bar none so far!

Thank you very much for helping us!

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze...kwikrekey.html
http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literat...g%20Manual.pdf

In article , (Gary Heston) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article , " wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500, George wrote:
And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.

Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?

Kwikset.

Read Gary Heston's post -- he's the only one so far who has given the correct
answer to your question.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

I looked up the tool reference you provided.

Yep, that'l work.

There is a better tool but it is more costly and probably not available at
HD.

Make sure you pad the palm of your hand before trying to punch out the
cylinder.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:45:09 GMT, Ralph wrote:

I looked up the tool reference you provided.

Yep, that'l work.

There is a better tool but it is more costly and probably not available at
HD.

Make sure you pad the palm of your hand before trying to punch out the
cylinder.

Not having done it, that was the hard part about the job that I failed at
last night.

I removed the stud easily by pressing on the "hidden" tab but when I
pressed on that hidden tab to push out the lock cylinder, nothing budged.
Of course, my one hand was pressing on the tab with the screwdriver, my
other hand was pushing with a pen stuck down the center hole, and my third
and fourth hands were trying to keep the whole thing from falling to the
floor for yet another umpteenth time.

I think the inexpensive tool is worth it. I just hope Sears has it or Home
Deport or Orchard Supply ...

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:35:44 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?
Kwikset. Read Gary Heston's post

Thank you for the advice. Gary Heston gave a good writeup and SMS provided
a fantastic set of photographs & documentation direct from Kwikset.

"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

These are wonderful and they won't only help me but they will help many
others install their locks correctly.

I still wonder about the ethics of Kwikset but I do not have any more than
a single data point so I do not know if the other lock companies are as
unethical as Kwikset in their "fits all doors" "installs in minutes"
"complete instructions" claims, all of which are not true for a very
average homeowner such as me.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

Proper lock installation / orientation has the bitting on the keys
up when you insert the key. This has to do with dust, dirt, and
debris not getting in the pin holes as much.
If you don't care, the lock will work without turning the cylinder
over.

I believe you said earlier that you considered it more
professional to turn the keyway over. I agree, unless the
owner/user says "I don't care".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DanG
A live Singing Valentine quartet,
a sophisticated and elegant way to say I LOVE YOU!
(local)
http://www.singingvalentines.com/ (national)


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way
the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either
way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets
that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or
"r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are
all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order
to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.


Since you're going back anyway, see if the guy in the lock
department knows how to do it. Maybe he will do it for you.
If he can't, get your refund.

You have nothing to lose.

Don