How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, wrote:
Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I should note this is a keyed "entry" lock, with no screws in the keyed
half of the lock. If the keyhole reverses, it must be via some sort of
lever or tab as there is no way I can even see to get the knob off.

I think the door entry lock part number is Kwikset 25513-001.

Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800, wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:26:56 -0800, wrote:
So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the package!
Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand doors only?

The knob entry lock looks much like the photograph here
http://www.inspectiondollars.com/kwiksetpuller.pdf

I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool just to
get the lock to fit a right hand door.

Assuming left hand and right hand doors are each half the doors in the
world, it seems inconceivable to me that we'd need a hundred dollar tool
for half the houses of the world!

I must be missing something simple.

Do YOU know where SIMPLE instructions might be for switching a Kwikset
entry lock keyway from upside down to right side up?

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.

What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door entry lock
that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!

Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!

I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I can't
figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture us so.

pull off the striker plate (on the back set) rotate the striker bolt 180
degrees then reinstall lockset.



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| On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
| I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
| just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
| I must be missing something simple.
|
| I give up.
| I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
| instead of upside down in my right hand door.
|
| It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
|
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html
|
| Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50
dollar
| Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.
|
| What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door entry
lock
| that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!
|
| Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!
|
| I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I can't
| figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture us so.

Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner. If you were
interested in having it done, you could likely find a locksmith
who would come out and do the install for you. And then he (she?)
could do the cylinder removal for you. Actually, it doesn't
surprise me that you're not a locksmith customer. If you were,
you'd have the job all done by now. And you wouldn't be posting
repeatedly to usenet looking for free advice.

By trying to save a buck on buying your own lock, you wasted
several hours of your life. What is your life worth? What is your
time worth? Was that a good use of your time? Spend hours to
learn something you'll need twice in your life?

Just call a locksmith and be done with it.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800,
wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder
removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right
side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.

http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this
50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.

What I learned so far is to never ever again purchase any door
entry lock
that doesn't SAY whether it's a right or left-handed lock!

Otherwise, half the time, we'd be buying the WRONG lock!

I suspect Kwikset did this on purpose but for the life of me, I
can't
figure out what perverse thoughts were in their mind to torture
us so.

wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:41:59 -0800, wrote:
I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal tool
just to get the Kwikset lock to fit a right hand door.
I must be missing something simple.

I give up.
I tried for hours to remove the lock so I could put it right side up
instead of upside down in my right hand door.

It seems I lack a three-dollar tool.
http://www.lockpicks.com/browseprodu...ving-Tool.html

Instead of ordering the tool, I'm so very frustrated with this 50 dollar
Kwikset lock that I'm returning it to the Home Depot tomorrow.


Since you're going back anyway, see if the guy in the lock
department knows how to do it. Maybe he will do it for you.
If he can't, get your refund.

You have nothing to lose.

Don

I didn't look at your link, but a "kwikset puller" is probably
different than the cylinder removal tool that I use. My cylinder
removal tool cost less than a dollar at my parts house.

You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:26:56 -0800,
wrote:
So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on
the package!
Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

The knob entry lock looks much like the photograph here
http://www.inspectiondollars.com/kwiksetpuller.pdf

I'm shocked that I have to order this Kwikset cylinder removal
tool just to
get the lock to fit a right hand door.

Assuming left hand and right hand doors are each half the doors
in the
world, it seems inconceivable to me that we'd need a hundred
dollar tool
for half the houses of the world!

I must be missing something simple.

Do YOU know where SIMPLE instructions might be for switching a
Kwikset
entry lock keyway from upside down to right side up?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:35:57 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You're missing that Kwikset sells a very simple tool for
reversing the cylinders. And you're also missing that some folks
work at locksmith shops and learn from other locksmiths.

Hi Stormin Mormom,

Thank you for your advice. I will try to buy the one-dollar
cylinder-reversing tool that is described at http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

Following those instructions, I was easily able to pop out the center shaft
but I was unable, with a screwdriver, to pop out the cylinder.

I assume I can pick up the cylinder removal tool at a local hardware store?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I didn't look at your link, but a "kwikset puller" is probably
different than the cylinder removal tool that I use. My cylinder
removal tool cost less than a dollar at my parts house.

They were having a sale on pipe wrenches and big hammers that day were they?

Oh, so it sounds like you found some instructions.

They probably randomly ship right or left hand locks. So, it's
guess and miss if they will fit.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to
flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my Kwikset
entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER in
order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down keyhole to
a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors" on the
package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to
flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my
Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER
in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down
keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors"
on the package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

because Kwikset doesn't need to.
your links should be self explanatory.
once the cylinder is removed,
it can be re-installed any way needed..


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"Key"
========

"'Key" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to
flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my
Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK CYLINDER
in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down
keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All Doors"
on the package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for left-hand
doors only?

because Kwikset doesn't need to.
your links should be self explanatory.
once the cylinder is removed,
it can be re-installed any way needed..


--
"Key"
========

That's all true but the fact is since they sell their product, probably most
of it, at retail straight to consumers, who for the most part won't know how
to remove the cylinder, they should IMHO include good directions and the
tool and just add a couple bucks to the cost of the lockset. They could also
sell it with loose cylinders to be popped in at install once the handing was
known.

"Steve" wrote in message
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"'Key" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:14:28 -0800,
wrote:
Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure
to
flip a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

This PDF of the type of instructions that come with my
Kwikset entry lock
does not explain how to reverse an upside down keyway.
http://tinyurl.com/ymefs4

Oh my, I just realized I have to REMOVE THE LOCK
CYLINDER
in order to
switch the Kwikset lock from a left-hand upside-down
keyhole to a
right-hand right-side up keyway!
http://tinyurl.com/yzhu5d

So much for the "Easy Installation" and "Fits All
Doors"
on the package!

Why doesn't Kwikset just LABEL their package for
left-hand
doors only?

because Kwikset doesn't need to.
your links should be self explanatory.
once the cylinder is removed,
it can be re-installed any way needed..


--
"Key"
========

That's all true but the fact is since they sell their
product, probably most
of it, at retail straight to consumers, who for the most
part won't know how
to remove the cylinder, they should IMHO include good
directions and the
tool and just add a couple bucks to the cost of the
lockset. They could also
sell it with loose cylinders to be popped in at install
once the handing was
known.

agree, they shue could.
they use to include a tool in the box.
but that was many years ago...

--
"Key"
========

I've never net searched this question. I use a cylinder removal
tool which I got from my wholesale parts house. You have to
remove the center shaft, and snap the cylinder out. Snap it back
in (right side up) and replace the center shaft.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT,
wrote:
Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?

I should note this is a keyed "entry" lock, with no screws in
the keyed
half of the lock. If the keyhole reverses, it must be via some
sort of
lever or tab as there is no way I can even see to get the knob
off.

I think the door entry lock part number is Kwikset 25513-001.

Where can I find PICTURES or DIAGRAMS of the procedure to flip
a Kwikset
entry lock from the left-hand keyhole position to a
right-handed lock?

wrote in message
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| |
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).




this theory holds true if the doors are "out-swing" doors
"in-swing" doors are hinged the opposite.

example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.

It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice. A
door that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges
on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same door
pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep in
your pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DanG
A live Singing Valentine quartet,
a sophisticated and elegant way to say I LOVE YOU!
(local)
http://www.singingvalentines.com/ (national)


"kitchens etc." kitchen_cabinets@work wrote in message
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wrote in message
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| |
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates
the two
keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge
on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on
the
right).




this theory holds true if the doors are "out-swing" doors
"in-swing" doors are hinged the opposite.

example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.

That is the most ignorant way I've ever seen to designate hand. Now tell me
just what is the difference between a right hand reverse and a left hand?

--
Steve Barker


"DanG" wrote in message
...
It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice. A door
that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges on the right
hand side, is a right hand door. The same door pulling toward you is a
right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep in your
pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm

The handing designations of doors was old and established when I
started out as a cub (I am due to retire). I do not know the
origination.

In most residential settings it makes little or no difference. I
tell my fellas, to reduce confusion, to put their back to the
hinges and see which arm would be the door.

Right and left hand reverse makes huge differences in mortise
locks, panic bars, and closers; though most of these have become
more user friendly through the years.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
DanG
A live Singing Valentine quartet,
a sophisticated and elegant way to say I LOVE YOU!
(local)
http://www.singingvalentines.com/ (national)


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
That is the most ignorant way I've ever seen to designate hand.
Now tell me just what is the difference between a right hand
reverse and a left hand?

--
Steve Barker


"DanG" wrote in message
...
It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice.
A door that swings away from you as you approach it with the
hinges on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same
door pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.

If you don't know, here is a picture you can download and keep
in your pocket:
https://www.wolfebrass.com/handdoor.htm

"DanG" wrote in message
...
| It is really disruptive to give out bad and inaccurate advice.

I agree
stop doing that.


A
| door that swings away from you as you approach it with the hinges
| on the right hand side, is a right hand door. The same door
| pulling toward you is a right hand reverse.


what the hell are you talking about
"right hand reverse"
you mean left

no.....................your other left.

example:
in-swing door with hinge on right is a "left hinged" door.

when entering (pushing a door open) whichever side the hinge is on
IS THE HINGED SIDE.

unless it is a cabinet door
then it is based on the pull of the door.

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I'm not sure, but...

....why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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| wrote:
| How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?
|
| I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
| "Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
| knobs and two deadbolts.
|
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the
two keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).
|
| It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that
all my
| lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
| the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
|
| Do you know how?
|
| I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the
lock knob
| keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
| http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
|
| Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
| set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
| right-hand door?
|
| The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
| tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side
up.
|
| Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?
|
| I'm not sure, but...
|
| ...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
| quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
| metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
| inclined.
|
| I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I
could
| easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of
boots
| - I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the
door.


or your hip and knee would give out, or maybe twist your ankle.
If this is a bet
I will take that bet and raise you $100 that you can not kick off a
kwikset lock.
even the firemen had to use an ax to get in my neighbors house when it
caught fire last year.
and yes they had kwikset locks.



|
| Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
| it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

not true
kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
do I hear another bet?


|
| nate
|
|

locks are to keep the honest people honest.
criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.

kitchens etc. wrote:
"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
| wrote:
| How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?
|
| I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
| "Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
| knobs and two deadbolts.
|
| The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the
two keyed
| knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
| My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).
|
| It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that
all my
| lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
| the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.
|
| Do you know how?
|
| I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the
lock knob
| keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
| http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800
|
| Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
| set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
| right-hand door?
|
| The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
| tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side
up.
|
| Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?
|
| I'm not sure, but...
|
| ...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
| quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
| metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
| inclined.
|
| I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I
could
| easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of
boots
| - I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the
door.


or your hip and knee would give out, or maybe twist your ankle.
If this is a bet
I will take that bet and raise you $100 that you can not kick off a
kwikset lock.
even the firemen had to use an ax to get in my neighbors house when it
caught fire last year.
and yes they had kwikset locks.



|
| Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
| it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

not true
kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
do I hear another bet?

You're on because I know I will win, because I actually had to break
into my last house once because my landlady inadvertantly locked the
front screen door on me and I didn't have a key to the back door. It is
a kwikset and I got into the house using only my library card. I've
done this before on other similar locks using a flexible plastic sheet
intended for protecting the little "in case of fire" placards you see
mounted over fire alarm pull stations. (it is so thoughtful of building
engineers to put just the tool you need to break into a space right near
the exit doors LOL)

locks are to keep the honest people honest.

AGREED!

criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.

You've got a better chance of a neighbor hearing someone break a window
than you do having them hear someone "card" a lockset. And I can do it
with pretty much any lockset, not just kwikset. If you don't have a
deadbolt, you essentially have no security at all.

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| | not true
| kwikset locks have an anti-theft pin so that can't happen.
| do I hear another bet?
|
| You're on because I know I will win, because I actually had to break
| into my last house once because my landlady inadvertantly locked the
| front screen door on me and I didn't have a key to the back door. It
is
| a kwikset and I got into the house using only my library card. I've
| done this before on other similar locks using a flexible plastic sheet
| intended for protecting the little "in case of fire" placards you see
| mounted over fire alarm pull stations. (it is so thoughtful of
building
| engineers to put just the tool you need to break into a space right
near
| the exit doors LOL)
|
| locks are to keep the honest people honest.
|
| AGREED!
|
| criminals would just break a window, lock or no lock.
|
| You've got a better chance of a neighbor hearing someone break a
window
| than you do having them hear someone "card" a lockset. And I can do
it
| with pretty much any lockset, not just kwikset. If you don't have a
| deadbolt, you essentially have no security at all.
|
| nate



you (or someone) must have installed your lock wrong.
when an anti theft pin is installed correctly.
the latch will not budge even with a c.c. because the pin is depressed
half way to prevent this from happening.

pay up little man
put that **** in my hand

I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
back.

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH
better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob,
heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way
mechanically
inclined.

I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions
that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair
of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off
the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point
worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

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I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
back.

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That fact that you couldn't figure them out isn't surprising and doesn't
mean they were garbage.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take em
back.

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Schlage is a waaaaayyyyyy better lock than Kwikset.

I guess you havn't used the new ones. The new ones with the one
piece external handle are just total undiluted garbage.

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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
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I used to like Schlage, when they had the two piece exterior
knobs. The new ones with the one piece knob are garbage. I
bought
a couple of them to install for a customer, and had to take
em
back.

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Schlage is a waaaaayyyyyy better lock than Kwikset.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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I guess you havn't used the new ones. The new ones with the one
piece external handle are just total undiluted garbage.

Yeah I have, and they are still better than kwikset.

Nate Nagel wrote:
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock
knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock
that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no
room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

I'm not sure, but...

...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.



I'm not really of a criminal bent, but I have my suspicions that I could
easily break/bypass your Kwikset lockset with only a good pair of boots
- I suspect one swift kick would knock the outer knob right off the door.

Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500, George wrote:
And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.

Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?

In article , " wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:49:08 -0500, George wrote:
And even worse the Home depot Kwikset locksets are the total bottom of
whatever little quality Kwikset has.

Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?

Kwikset.

Read Gary Heston's post -- he's the only one so far who has given the correct
answer to your question.

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:35:44 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?
Kwikset. Read Gary Heston's post

Thank you for the advice. Gary Heston gave a good writeup and SMS provided
a fantastic set of photographs & documentation direct from Kwikset.

"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

These are wonderful and they won't only help me but they will help many
others install their locks correctly.

I still wonder about the ethics of Kwikset but I do not have any more than
a single data point so I do not know if the other lock companies are as
unethical as Kwikset in their "fits all doors" "installs in minutes"
"complete instructions" claims, all of which are not true for a very
average homeowner such as me.

Gary is mistaken -- if you require the keyhole to be right side
up.

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. net...

Read Gary Heston's post -- he's the only one so far who has
given the correct
answer to your question.

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Schlage F-line. No tools needed to install lock upside down or
right side up.

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Which lock manufacturer do you suggest we consider for ease of
flipping
from a left hand configuration to a right hand configuration?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 06:54:03 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
...why Kwikset? Schlage is nearly the same price, and MUCH better
quality - you can feel the difference just by turning the knob, heavier
metal, parts less "sloppy" - even if you aren't in any way mechanically
inclined.

I took the advice of the Home Depot salesman. I didn't inherently have any
gut feelings either way for Yale, Schlage, Kwikset, etc.

I do now have a very bad instinctive "feeling" about Kwikset. Basically,
they lied blatantly on their package. That puts them at the very bottom of
the pile now for me as that shows they don't have any ethics.

That in and of itself does not mean their locks are any worse than the
competition. It just means I deplore their marketing practices and I can
easily vote with my dollars in another direction.

The key question is whether the OTHER manufacturers are as bad?
Are they?

Which manufacture is most honest about how "easy" it is to install their
locks in the proper configuration?

"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking latch is
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Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

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How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
and slide it down.

nate

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Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

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quick 2¢... when installed correctly deadlatch works and library card
doesn't. :-)

Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to bend
that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we make the
big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location (via lock-out
or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the "DEADLATCH" back
into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a deadbolt and maybe a
strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the Benjamin's and public
safety is it not?

still in business,
Roger

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
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How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin piece
of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card can
defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep them
from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb.
Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch and
slide it down.

nate

Steve wrote:
"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking latch
is
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Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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