How...? the little extra pin still retracts when you push the latch
back. unless you can stop that from happening, you will always be able
to use the library card trick.

nate

Roger Cann wrote:
quick 2¢... when installed correctly deadlatch works and library card
doesn't. :-)

Yes when installed wrong almost anybody with the knowledge of how to bend
that card just right can get in with a credit card. That's why we make the
big bucks... When we come across this at a customers location (via lock-out
or break-in) we'll realign the strike plate to bring the "DEADLATCH" back
into the picture and also encourage the purchase of a deadbolt and maybe a
strike protector as well. Hey it is all about the Benjamin's and public
safety is it not?

still in business,
Roger

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin piece
of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card can
defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep them
from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb.
Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch and
slide it down.

nate

Steve wrote:

"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking latch
is
Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...


wrote:


Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking
latches" - both Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and
Schlage - with only a thin piece of flexible plastic. If
you want anything that will cause someone motivated to get
into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a
library card can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you
take other measures to keep them from doing so, like
cutting a slot to catch the card in the door jamb. Even
so they can sneak the card around the corner above the
latch and slide it down.

nate

it really depends on if the dead-latch is installed
correctly.
many incorrectly installed dead-latches doesn't allow the
dead-latch itself to be restricted.
as you probably already know,
it has to be restricted from extending all the way out
before the dead-latch function will even work.

my2¢
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Steve wrote:
"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a
deadlocking latch is
Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

wrote:


Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point
worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
piece of flexible plastic.

That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the hole
along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of them
sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.

If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
jamb.

No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It always
worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when he
would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.

Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
and slide it down.

nate

Steve wrote:
"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
latch is
Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

wrote:


Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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Hey man Rockford's the man... even better yet the old Maverick and even
"Support your local sheriff"
Hell Rockford files is still in syndication. Don't you just love it when a
lock it picked on TV without the cylinder even moving and better yet
sometimes the knob isn't even turned either.. I've even seen "no latch" on
some of the doors and no bolts on safes.. got ta love tv and those comments
from people "didn't take that long on tv"
Roger
"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a thin
piece of flexible plastic.

That's because you either know a trick that works with SOME door/frame
combinations or (more likely) the deadlatch was already bottomed in the
hole
along with the spring latch rendering it useless. You cannot credit card
shim a properly installed, dead latched (which is pretty much all of them
sold today) KIK used in a good solid door/frame.

If you want anything that will cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a library card
can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures to keep
them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in the door
jamb.

No in many applications they can't (and neither can you) which tells me
most of your experience comes from watching Jim Rockford on TV. It always
worked great for him, of course there was never anything in the way when
he
would do those cool J turns in the firebird either.

Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above the latch
and slide it down.

nate

Steve wrote:
"Proving he watches a lot of TV and doesn't know what a deadlocking
latch is
Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

wrote:


Of course, if you don't have a deadbolt, there's no point worrying
about
it... any kid with a library card can get in your door.

nate

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If the latch is deadlatching, you can't slip it with a credit
card.

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You have to starve them.
..

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
How am I wrong? I have defeated several "deadlocking
latches" - both
Kwikset and also good quality Weiser and Schlage - with only a
thin
piece of flexible plastic. If you want anything that will
cause someone
motivated to get into your house to have to take more than a
couple
minutes, you need a deadBOLT. As I said, any kid with a
library card
can defeat a deadlocking latch UNLESS you take other measures
to keep
them from doing so, like cutting a slot to catch the card in
the door
jamb. Even so they can sneak the card around the corner above
the latch
and slide it down.

nate

I learned how to disassemble Kwikkies from the locksmiths who
trained me. I don't know of any web sites to help out.

Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?

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How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits
All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two
left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates
the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on
the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on
the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package
that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how
to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand
knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of
the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset
lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up
for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French,
but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is
right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with
pictures)?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:32:18 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?

I picked up the locks at Home Depot and the five-inch latch at OSH because
Home Depot doesn't carry them. I buy all my Craftsman tools at Sears.

That's about it for my general hardware needs. If I can't find it at one of
those three hardware stores, I call someone to do the work.

I did believe the package instructions which said "easy to install", and
"installs in minutes". My bad.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I learned how to disassemble Kwikkies from the locksmiths who
trained me.

Someone trained you? I thought you learned how to break stuff on your own.

I don't know of any web sites to help out.

And you've been looking because you can't figure out how to get the damn
things apart either which is a problem given by your own admission it's all
you install.


Where did you buy the locks? Maybe someone there can help?

You already know where the hell he/she bought the locks from because when
you were initially being an unhelpful prick in message-ID:
you wrote:

"Ah, now we get some more information. You bought the locks at
Home Depot. Well, that makes you a frugal home owner."

Which I suppose was your attempt at sarcasm. You then went on to bitch and
whine that they didn't hire a locksmith, which I suppose I should agree with
since theoretically I stand to benefit financially but being that I do all
my own home repairs plumbing electrical etc I take issure with none the
less. Not to mention that exchange of information for anybody who wants it
is more or less why this forum exists. Now you come back sweet as candy
suggesting that the seller might be able to help.

I think you have a split personality. I would assume you were being forged
except you never post to complain that that's the case so after numerous
instances I ruled it out. That said both general methods to get the cylinder
out from the back have been posted several times. So you should know how by
now and so should the OP..

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

I believe the doorknob has to be turned the opposite direction also,
depending on what side of the door the lock is, and that that would be
true even if the keyhole were reversed top to bottom. Isn't that true
of your previous lock? People learn to do that automatically with
time.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

mm wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:


How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors" &
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).


You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

good. If the key's teeth point down, someday half a century down the
road when one of the tumbler springs breaks or loses tension, you could
be locked out of your house when one of the tumblers jams. If the teeth
point up, then gravity will help the springs and as long as the lock
isn't gummed up, it will open with the correct key even if there are
*no* springs inside.

nate

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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:31:28 -0500, Nate Nagel wrote:
the key's teeth point down

Thank you Nate.

I can't stand locks lazily put in upside down.

The "teeth" should most definately point UP!

Anyone who does anything else, is paid too much!

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:31:06 -0500, mm wrote:
You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?
Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Hi mm,

Thank you for the advice.

Yes, I want the key to be "right side up".
That means the flat part of the key blade is downward and the notched part
of the key is upward.

If I rotate the whole lock/knob assembly 180 degrees laterally, the keyhole
is on the INSIDE of the house instead of the OUTSIDE. If I rotate 180
degrees horzontally, I'd need a two-foot-long entry door latch coming out
from the hinge side instead of a five-inch entry door latch protruducing
from the door-lock side of the door.

I hope that explains things a bit.
Good luck to you,

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors"
&
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.


Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already but the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse it yet
they should just leave it like that.

Hell a kwikset has a hard enough time working with the pins up. try using
you key in a back door that hasn't been used in a while.
better have some wd-40 or the likes handy. You'll be lucky to even get the
key in.. at least around here anyway.. coastal environments a bitch! lube
lube lube.. preventative maintenance! Spray the internal parts down good
with some LokShot by strattec or similar non drying lube PRIOR to installing
it and it'll probably last as long as the manufacture thinks it's supposed
to.
Roger
"Steve" wrote in message
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"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors"
&
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.


Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all
my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already but
the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse it
yet
they should just leave it like that.

"Roger Cann" wrote in message
...
Hell a kwikset has a hard enough time working with the pins up. try using
you key in a back door that hasn't been used in a while.
better have some wd-40 or the likes handy. You'll be lucky to even get
the
key in.. at least around here anyway.. coastal environments a bitch!
lube
lube lube.. preventative maintenance! Spray the internal parts down good
with some LokShot by strattec or similar non drying lube PRIOR to
installing
it and it'll probably last as long as the manufacture thinks it's supposed
to.
Roger

I don't like them, and they do stiffen up if they aren't used much but the
costal environment is probably some of the problem. Schlage F is a much
better lock. Better made. Better finish. Just better.

I have a couple Kwikset deadbolts still installed at my place on doors that
aren't unlocked from the outside so I just deadpinned the outside cylinders
with a couple scrap drill bits, now they are pick proof and drill resistant
, the sheerline anyway, and put the Medeco Maxums I reccomend to most
other people to replace them on the doors that get opened from outside.
Couldn't really justify them though on doors that are mostly a big pane of
glass.

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors"
&
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two

keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.


Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if
you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all
my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already but
the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken
spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse it
yet
they should just leave it like that.

I used to like schlage alot, hell I use "a series" on my house. Don't like
the newer designs too much.

It seems youtube will be causing medecos stock to jump. bump bump bump.
I'm going to try the new HS ones out by marks. winkhaus has been to hard to
get latley.
Though I really think the new biometric locks are going to get more and more
popular as they get cheaper by the dozen.
Hell weisers even making'em now.
Roger.
"Steve" wrote in message
...

"Roger Cann" wrote in message
...
Hell a kwikset has a hard enough time working with the pins up. try using
you key in a back door that hasn't been used in a while.
better have some wd-40 or the likes handy. You'll be lucky to even get
the
key in.. at least around here anyway.. coastal environments a bitch!
lube
lube lube.. preventative maintenance! Spray the internal parts down good
with some LokShot by strattec or similar non drying lube PRIOR to
installing
it and it'll probably last as long as the manufacture thinks it's
supposed
to.
Roger

I don't like them, and they do stiffen up if they aren't used much but the
costal environment is probably some of the problem. Schlage F is a much
better lock. Better made. Better finish. Just better.

I have a couple Kwikset deadbolts still installed at my place on doors
that
aren't unlocked from the outside so I just deadpinned the outside
cylinders
with a couple scrap drill bits, now they are pick proof and drill
resistant
, the sheerline anyway, and put the Medeco Maxums I reccomend to most
other people to replace them on the doors that get opened from outside.
Couldn't really justify them though on doors that are mostly a big pane of
glass.

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"mm" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:37 GMT, "
wrote:

How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand
door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All
Doors"
&
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two

keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the
left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the
right).

You just want the key to be "right side" up? How do you know which
side is the right side?

Why can't you just rotate the whole lock 180 degrees?

Because it will then be backwards with respect to the latch mechanism.


Every second house in my n'hood has a door that swings one way, and
every first and third house, the door swings the other way. (or opens
from the other side, depending on how you phrase it.) And I'm sure
they all have Kwikset locks like I do. Do you want me to check which
side of the keyhole goes up in my neighbors' locks?

For me, I think the key's teeth point up. Is that good or bad?

It's good and reversing the lock cylinder is a 30 second operation if
you
know how so it's not that big a deal for anybody who does many of them.

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that
all
my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to
switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Where is it written what is up and what is down?

The pins are supposed to be up. It's been discussed to death already
but
the
short answer is if they are down they will collect debris. A broken
spring
will also cause a lockout. In practice it will work for a long time
pins
down backwards or not and if the OP hasn't figured out how to reverse
it
yet
they should just leave it like that.

wrote:

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Kwikset probably thinks that it's crazy that anyone would care which
direction the keyhole would be. There isn't a "right-side-up" because
it's different on doors with the hole on the right than on the left.

Do you know how?

If you buy the after-market Kwikset re-keying kit at Home Depot, it
comes with the tools, and instructions. You can put the cylinder back in
either way. The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed. I've done
rekeying of Kwikset locks many times, I just did one a few weeks ago.

See:

"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

I think that you'll have the same issue with any brand of lock you buy.
You'll have to disassemble it to remove the cylinder and flip it over if
you want the keyhole in the opposite orientation.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:59:39 -0800, SMS wrote:
The procedure is different for the doorknob and the
deadbolt. The deadbolt is easier, and no tools are needed.
"http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze4vxnd/kwikrekey.html"
"http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/Resources/Rekeying%20Manual.pdf"

THANK YOU SMS!

That was EXACTLY what I was looking for! Without the tool, I was able to
get to step 5 of your first web URL but no farther with just a screwdriver.

The only problem I see with your otherwise fantastic instructions is the
size of the pictures. Size does matter when your eyes are old like mine!

I need to print out your instrucdtions, which are perhaps the absoloute
BEST ON THE WEB bar none so far!

Thank you very much for helping us!

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze...kwikrekey.html
http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literat...g%20Manual.pdf

In article ,
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".


Gary

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Astronomers have developed a definition of "planet" which excludes Pluto.
I'm developing a definition of "scientist" which excludes astronomers.

In article , (Gary Heston) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

Proper lock installation / orientation has the bitting on the keys
up when you insert the key. This has to do with dust, dirt, and
debris not getting in the pin holes as much.
If you don't care, the lock will work without turning the cylinder
over.

I believe you said earlier that you considered it more
professional to turn the keyway over. I agree, unless the
owner/user says "I don't care".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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a sophisticated and elegant way to say I LOVE YOU!
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wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way
the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either
way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets
that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or
"r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are
all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order
to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:02:28 -0600, DanG wrote:
Proper lock installation / orientation has the bitting on the keys
up when you insert the key. This has to do with dust, dirt, and
debris not getting in the pin holes as much.

Thank you DanG for the analysis of why it's best to have the bitting
(teeth) up on the key.

I never knew why, but I never saw any professional install a lock any other
way. It's sort of like installing a three-pronged USA electrical outlet
upside down. The lock will still work but from a professional and esthetic
and functional standpoint, it's subpar to install a left-hand lock knob on
a right hand door.

Thank you for explaining why!

In article , " wrote:

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a right-hung or
a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

A deadbolt lock has three main sections: the outdoor part (which contains the
lock cylinder), the indoor part (which has a knob for throwing the bolt), and
the deadbolt mechanism.

Remove the screws that hold the indoor part and the outdoor part together. Now
slide the indoor part and the outdoor part away from the deadbolt mechanism.
Put the indoor part where the outdoor part was, and the outdoor part where the
indoor part was. Put the screws back in.

Done.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:35:01 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a right-hung or
a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.

My problem isn't with the deadbolt, it's with the entry lock knob.

Are you saying one can switch a Kwikset entry knob from a left-hand
configuration to a right-hand lock setup WITHOUT removing the lock
cylinder?

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
news:Vtwqh.44570 If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock
cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in
order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

I've never seen a deadbolt lock where installing it on either a
right-hung or
a left-hung door depended on removing the lock cylinder.

CY: Doug, she's describing a knob lock.



Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

A deadbolt lock has three main sections: the outdoor part
(which contains the
lock cylinder), the indoor part (which has a knob for throwing
the bolt), and
the deadbolt mechanism.

CY: Doug, the customer is working on a knob lock.


Remove the screws that hold the indoor part and the outdoor
part together. Now
slide the indoor part and the outdoor part away from the
deadbolt mechanism.
Put the indoor part where the outdoor part was, and the outdoor
part where the
indoor part was. Put the screws back in.

CY: Doug, if you invert the indoor and outdoor parts, you lock
yourself into the house. And let anyone turn the knob and come
in. You're not sounding very knowledgable.


Done.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

They can't clarify. They (Gary and Doug) are both mistaken.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way
the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets
that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or
"r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why
are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in
order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 18:33:24 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

Now I'm REALLY confused.

If we don't need to pull the Kwikset lock cylinder, then why are all the
OTHER posts showing pictures of a cylinder removal tool in order to rotate
the configuration from a left hand to a right hand lock?

Please clarify if you can! Thanks!

You don't absolutely need to pull the lock cylinder to install the lock and
have it work but the keyway may be upside down. The lock will still work and
the people who are saying you don't need to flip it probably don't even know
that the pins are supposed to be at the top of the keyway. If they aren't,
even on an interior install where water etc isn't a factor all debris from
normal operation winds up going right down the pin wells. A broken or
collapsed spring will also hang it up whereas if the pins are at the top
gravity is your friend.

Wrong. If you want the keyhole right side up, Kwiksets are
handed. Right or left.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. net...
On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset
into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge
of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from
the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a
lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way
the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either
way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets
that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or
"r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. net...
In article ,
(Gary Heston) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the
edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up,
and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which
way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only"
or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

not really :-)
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
into the top springs,
and cause problems down the road.
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
causes restriction on the pins movement.
not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
manipulating freely.

--
"Key"
========

In article , "'Key" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.net...
In article ,
(Gary Heston) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the
edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up,
and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which
way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only"
or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

not really :-)
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
into the top springs,
and cause problems down the road.
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
causes restriction on the pins movement.
not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
manipulating freely.

Missing the point... re-read Heston's post.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
et...
In article ,
"'Key" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message
y.net...
In article ,
(Gary Heston) wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on
a
right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into
the
edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything
up,
and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is
which
way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h
only"
or "r-h only".

DING DING DING DING !! We have a winner, folks!
Finally, someone posts the correct answer.

not really :-)
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can get
into the top springs,
and cause problems down the road.
an upside down keyway traps dirt and debris that can also
causes restriction on the pins movement.
not to mention the help of gravity to help allow the pins
manipulating freely.

Missing the point... re-read Heston's post.

didn't miss his point at all.
just added an important point.

--
"Key"
========


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor
again.

"Gary Heston" wrote in message
...
In article ,

wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a
right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the
lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the
edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in
from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob,
deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then
spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up,
and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which
way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit
either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that.
Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only"
or "r-h only".


Gary


guess you think its ok for a keyway to be upside down ?
(WRONG)
--
"Key"
========

"Gary Heston" wrote in message
...
In article ,
wrote:
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?
[ ... ]

On all of them I've dealt with, you just separate the lockset into
the three main pieces, install the plunger/latch into the edge of
the door, stick the outside part (knob or deadbolt) in from the
exterior side of the door, mate the interior part (knob, deadbolt,
or turn lever) onto the rod from the front part, then spend a lot
of time getting the screws started. Tighten everything up, and
you're done.

The only difference between l-h and r-h locksets is which way the
plunger/latch points, and they're generally made to fit either way.
No need to pull the cylinders or anything like that. Locksets that
only fit one way are usually clearly marked as "l-h only" or "r-h only".


Gary

That's wrong. The pins in the keyway should be on top. Following your
instructions they may or may not end up that way. If the Keyway orientation
is not right for the handing of the installation then the only way to
correct it is to flip the cylinder.

You're spending far too much time on this. Are you anywhere near Seal
Beach, CA?

On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 22:16:25 GMT, Ralph wrote:
Are you anywhere near Seal Beach, CA?

Nope. I'm in the "colder" California. We actually had ice in the standing
water outside this morning. The kids went crazy over it, even as they were
outside with shorts on.

Thought if you were closer I could show you how to do this.

Anyway. First time I tried to turn a kwikset keyway right-side up was
quite a learning experience. Can practically do it in my sleep now but
don't usually do much with Kwikset. Anyway, not a big thing to install the
lock with pins down for a while, anyway. Go ahead and do it. Gotta
think, though, that there is a good samaritan up your way that will guide
you through the process of changing the keyway. Go back to where you
bought it and ask. You might get lucky.

wrote in message
...
How do we flip a left-hand Kwikset lock so it works on a right-hand door?

I bought a set of Kwikset Security locks which advertise "Fits All Doors"
&
"Easy Installation". The Kwikset lock package contained two left-hand
keyed
knobs and two deadbolts.

The problem is there is NOTHING on the package that indicates the two
keyed
knobs are set up for left-handed doors (those with the hinge on the left).
My outside doors are right-hand doors (they have the hinge on the right).

It's crazy to me that Kwikset doesn't even SAY on the package that all my
lock cylinders will be upside down unless I can figure out how to switch
the Kwikset lock from being a left-hand knob to a right-hand knob.

Do you know how?

I googled only to find a very tough to follow description of the lock knob
keyhole reversing procedure sans pictures at
http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=227800

Is there a PHOTOGRAPH or DIAGRAM of how to reverse a quickset lock that is
set up for a left-hand door to have the keyhole right-side up for a
right-hand door?

The instructions have room for Spanish, English, and French, but no room
to
tell us how to install the lock such that the keyhole is right-side up.

Is the procedure to flip the Kwikset keyhole documented (with pictures)?

The cylinder clips in place with two spring steel clips at 180 degrees to
one another. This allows it to be flipped for proper keyway orientation.
It's designed for removal with a special tool but you you can also probe the
clips from the rear with a sharp pick or other instrument. Note that this
lock is also vulnerable to a widely available tool that removes the cylinder
from the front even while locked so the security that it provides is next to
nill.

On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:45:51 -0800, Steve wrote:
The cylinder clips in place with two spring steel clips at 180 degrees to
one another. This allows it to be flipped for proper keyway orientation.
It's designed for removal with a special tool but you you can also probe the
clips from the rear with a sharp pick or other instrument.

It would be nice to have a DIAGRAM of those two apparently deeply hidden
clips as locating them was too difficult for me when I tried on my own. The
good news is I complained to Kwikset on their web site and they very kindly
responded multiple tikmes to my email.

The first time they responded, they said many people just leave the locks
upside down. When I responded back that I thought that was unprofessional,
they kindly wrote back that they would send me the tool for free.

I must say that my anger at them subsided at that point as the Kwikset
support person was truly trying to help me.

Note that this
lock is also vulnerable to a widely available tool that removes the cylinder
from the front even while locked so the security that it provides is next to
nill.

I've since learned this is a "grade 3" lock and that a grade 1 or 2 would
be better. Since the door has glass panels, I wonder if it really matters.
I guess breaking glass leaves a mess while removing the lock cylinder does
not?

If a thief removes the lock cylinder with that tool, does it leave a
telltale mess or is it transparent?

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:45:51 -0800, Steve wrote:
The cylinder clips in place with two spring steel clips at 180 degrees to
one another. This allows it to be flipped for proper keyway orientation.
It's designed for removal with a special tool but you you can also probe
the
clips from the rear with a sharp pick or other instrument.

It would be nice to have a DIAGRAM of those two apparently deeply hidden
clips as locating them was too difficult for me when I tried on my own.
The
good news is I complained to Kwikset on their web site and they very
kindly
responded multiple tikmes to my email.

The first time they responded, they said many people just leave the locks
upside down. When I responded back that I thought that was unprofessional,
they kindly wrote back that they would send me the tool for free.

I must say that my anger at them subsided at that point as the Kwikset
support person was truly trying to help me.

Note that this
lock is also vulnerable to a widely available tool that removes the
cylinder
from the front even while locked so the security that it provides is next
to
nill.

I've since learned this is a "grade 3" lock and that a grade 1 or 2 would
be better. Since the door has glass panels, I wonder if it really matters.
I guess breaking glass leaves a mess while removing the lock cylinder does
not?

If a thief removes the lock cylinder with that tool, does it leave a
telltale mess or is it transparent?



The tool that Kwikset will send you works from the inside of the lock after
removing the spindle.
You have to take the lock off the door first. A crook wouldn't use that
tool... Maybe an exterior used cylinder removal tool like the A-1 Puller.
That lock will work fine on that glass door (oil the **** out of it prior to
installation). Besides there're going to get in anyway if they want.
Glass....

I can't believe how long this subject is floating around. HD and Lowes has
that tool in there rekeying kit.
They would've popped the cylinder out for you for free. At least they do
and would've here! Hell I would've done it for free.
With my fancy Rytan removal tool. :-) Kwikset probably sent you a tool
just to stop all the emails (polite way of saying "shut you up").
They probably caught wind of all these.

Roger