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PVC versus PE Piping
I am designing a small water distribution system to supply potable
water to a couple of dozen buildings. I am trying to decide between PVC and PE (Polyethylene) piping. Can anyone in this group comment on the pros and cons of using either of these pipe materials for this application? Some more details on the application: -The pipe will be almost entirely burried. Only risers coming out of the ground to connect to building supply points will be exposed to UV sunlight. -The location is in a desert environment. Max ambient air temperature of 50 C (122 F). Min ambient air temperature of 0 C (32 F). Most days are sunny all day. Any comments would be appreciated. -Jonathan Klein |
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Thanks for the response. Answers to your questions:
What is the expected lifetime? 20 years minimum What is the expected size (both diamater, length)? Up to 6" maximum. What is the expected pressure (both dynamic spikes and constant values)? The pumps used to supply the system can put out 30 psig maximum. So 30 psig would be the maximum constant pressure. Dynamic pressure spikes: I don't know. Is this just cold water or hot water too? Cold water only. Actually there will be two cold water systems, one will be potable water the other raw aquifer water for toilets and other non-drinking water uses. Professionally installed or a DYI job? It will be installed by a contractor company who should know what they are doing but quite possibly won't. So installation using simple procedures is important and the system design will have to be forgiving enough to withstand a certain degree of improper installation without failing. So essentially a DIY job from an installation standpoint. However, there are essentially no constraints from a cost standpoint. If special tools for installation are needed to be purchased this is no problem. wrote: wrote: I am designing a small water distribution system to supply potable water to a couple of dozen buildings. I am trying to decide between PVC and PE (Polyethylene) piping. Can anyone in this group comment on the pros and cons of using either of these pipe materials for this application? Some more details on the application: -The pipe will be almost entirely burried. Only risers coming out of the ground to connect to building supply points will be exposed to UV sunlight. -The location is in a desert environment. Max ambient air temperature of 50 C (122 F). Min ambient air temperature of 0 C (32 F). Most days are sunny all day. Make sure you know the local building code. It will most likely make the decision for you. Questions, questions, questions. Boy, do we have questions. What is the expected lifetime? What is the expected size (both diamater, length)? What is the expected pressure (both dynamic spikes and constant values)? Is this just cold water or hot water too? Professionally installed or a DYI job? John Aspen Research - www.aspenresearch.com "Turning Questions into Answers" Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer. |
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Professionally installed or a DYI job? It will be installed by a contractor company who should know what they are doing but quite possibly won't. So installation using simple procedures is important and the system design will have to be forgiving enough to withstand a certain degree of improper installation without failing. one of the first things that comes to my mind is "the big dig" when i read stuff like this. the sad part is that it's common in this country. |
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I'd go PE pipe. I found an article: Environmental Impacts of
Polyvinyl Chloride Building Materials by Dr Joe Thornton, PhD...PVC manufacturing emits dioxin and other pollutants to the environment. The paper states that dioxin levels in the world today are higher than cancer causing, and that dioxin has been found in remote places like in blue whales in the deep ocean and isolated islands. I was alarmed. wrote: I am designing a small water distribution system to supply potable water to a couple of dozen buildings. I am trying to decide between PVC and PE (Polyethylene) piping. Can anyone in this group comment on the pros and cons of using either of these pipe materials for this application? Some more details on the application: -The pipe will be almost entirely burried. Only risers coming out of the ground to connect to building supply points will be exposed to UV sunlight. -The location is in a desert environment. Max ambient air temperature of 50 C (122 F). Min ambient air temperature of 0 C (32 F). Most days are sunny all day. Any comments would be appreciated. -Jonathan Klein |
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PVC versus PE Piping
Why don't you check out alu pipes (irrigation style), they clamp
together quickly, can take misalignment, good for pressure and may find them at used or surplus sources(farm related). They won't be affected by sun's UV rays and can still be sold as scrap if no longer attractive. Check it out and let us know |
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