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Do I need a permit/inspection for any electrical work?
I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit
or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? |
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Nobody on this newsgroup can complete answer your questions.
Phone your local government, talk with the inspectors and get precise answers that apply for your community. It is a painless process. I phoned just this Monday and discussed about 10 potential permit issues with one of our inspectors. Nobody is going to trace your phone call and put your name in a ledger. Zoning situations can vary tremendously. For example: - One friend of mine lives 10 miles away and he can completely rewire his entire house without a permit or inspection. He can tear out and replace the service panel "on his own." In fact, he has never even contacted the power company since he just pulls the meter when he is doing major wiring. (note: power companies severely frown upon that practice). - I can legally replace my service panel, but I need a permit and inspection of the work after it is complete and before the power is turned back on. - A friend 2 miles away must hire a licensed electrician to replace the service panel. The homeowner can't do any of the service panel replacement himself, unless you count signing the check. (about $1400 in our area for an average replacement). Talk with your inspectors. You can learn a lot about the process, and you can often get some good, free advise on various aspects of a project. Good luck, Gideon |
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peter wrote:
I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? It varies from location to location, but in nearly all cases simply changing devices (switch / outlet / light fixture) in an existing box location are excluded from permit requirements. Call your local building department and ask to be sure. Pete C. |
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"peter" wrote in message news:7Uctg.15194$Wh7.5131@trnddc07... I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? Depends on where you live. Depends on the type of work to be done. Call your local building inspector. |
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peter wrote:
I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, No. or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? No. In both cases you are not adding any load. |
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Gideon wrote: Nobody on this newsgroup can complete answer your questions. I just did, fool. |
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Pete C. wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? It varies from location to location, but in nearly all cases simply changing devices (switch / outlet / light fixture) in an existing box location are excluded from permit requirements. Call your local building department and ask to be sure. Fool. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "peter" wrote in message news:7Uctg.15194$Wh7.5131@trnddc07... I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. Is this true? I have to call for an inspection for simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI? Depends on where you live. Depends on the type of work to be done. Call your local building inspector. Fool. |
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"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in message Depends on where you live. Depends on the type of work to be done. Call your local building inspector. Fool. So the Nightcrawler crawls out of the swamp to spread silly nonsense. Sure, a lot of things can be done with no permit, but other work requires inspection and permits. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in message Depends on where you live. Depends on the type of work to be done. Call your local building inspector. Fool. So the Nightcrawler crawls out of the swamp to spread silly nonsense. Sure, a lot of things can be done with no permit, but other work requires inspection and permits. Like, duh! You must have missed the part where he asked about "simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI". The answer is, "NO, you don't need any stinking inspection." Not "Depends on where you live". Fool. |
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"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in message Like, duh! You must have missed the part where he asked about "simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI". The answer is, "NO, you don't need any stinking inspection." Not "Depends on where you live". Yes, it may require a permit. Enforced? Of course not, but law on the books? Yes. Go back to your swamp, fool |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in message Like, duh! You must have missed the part where he asked about "simply replacing a light switch, or replacing a receptacle with a GFCI". The answer is, "NO, you don't need any stinking inspection." Not "Depends on where you live". Yes, it may require a permit. Bull****. Enforced? Of course not, but law on the books? Yes. I bet you can't prove your delusion. (that would require a cite, dumbski) Go back to your swamp, fool Keep shopping for kielbasa at Home Depot. |
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I dont agree with your advice at all. I think there are a lot of
variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. |
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komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. |
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"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in
oups.com: komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. Another fool. This ng is full of them. Water seeks it's own level. |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote:
Gideon wrote: Nobody on this newsgroup can complete answer your questions. I just did, fool. Go away, troll. |
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Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. |
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Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: Gideon wrote: Nobody on this newsgroup can complete answer your questions. I just did, fool. Go away, troll. Worry about something you can control, fool. |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote:
Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. Fascinating. Just fascinating. I have this image in my mind of a pasty, pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested scrawny 16 year old white kids. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Not getting a permit will NOT void your house insurance. If you screw
something up, it is an accident just like falling asleep in bed with a cigarette etc. so your insurance will still cover your house. |
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On 13 Jul 2006 10:39:39 -0700, "
wrote: Not getting a permit will NOT void your house insurance. If you screw something up, it is an accident just like falling asleep in bed with a cigarette etc. so your insurance will still cover your house. So they cover suicide now? I wonder if the NY explosion the other day is covered....they say the doctor was trying suicide to keep his wife from getting a 9 million dollar home. Think they will pay? Smoking in bed to me is a form of suicide..... I get it.. we won't pay life insurance, but we cover the house. Oren |
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Oren wrote:
On 13 Jul 2006 10:39:39 -0700, " wrote: Not getting a permit will NOT void your house insurance. If you screw something up, it is an accident just like falling asleep in bed with a cigarette etc. so your insurance will still cover your house. So they cover suicide now? I wonder if the NY explosion the other day is covered....they say the doctor was trying suicide to keep his wife from getting a 9 million dollar home. Think they will pay? Smoking in bed to me is a form of suicide..... I get it.. we won't pay life insurance, but we cover the house. Oren One life insurance policy I saw specifically indicated that it excluded suicide for a two year period and otherwise covered it after that. Pete C. |
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Oren wrote:
On 13 Jul 2006 10:39:39 -0700, " wrote: Not getting a permit will NOT void your house insurance. If you screw something up, it is an accident just like falling asleep in bed with a cigarette etc. so your insurance will still cover your house. So they cover suicide now? I wonder if the NY explosion the other day is covered....they say the doctor was trying suicide to keep his wife from getting a 9 million dollar home. Think they will pay? Smoking in bed to me is a form of suicide..... I get it.. we won't pay life insurance, but we cover the house. Oren Most insurance policies I've seen exclude deliberate criminal acts by the policy holder so the building would likely not be covered. A life insurance policy would likely be valid baring any exclusion period. Pete C. |
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J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. Fascinating. Just fascinating. You retards are easily entertained. I have this image in my mind One too many trips, eh retard? of a pasty, pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested scrawny 16 year old white kids. Your delusions are meaningless. You are aware of that, aren't you? |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. Fascinating. Just fascinating. You retards are easily entertained. I have this image in my mind One too many trips, eh retard? "retard"? Sorry, I overestimated your age--make it about 12. of a pasty, pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested scrawny 16 year old white kids. Your delusions are meaningless. You are aware of that, aren't you? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in
oups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. Another fool. This ng is full of them. Water seeks it's own level. And here you are. I didn't come here with "Fool fool fool" comments. So, that is not what I seek. You made several replies with "fool" yet you return. I reiterate,, water seeks it's own level. |
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TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. Fascinating. Just fascinating. You retards are easily entertained. I have this image in my mind One too many trips, eh retard? "retard"? I call 'em as I see 'em. Sorry, I overestimated your age--make it about 12. Bhaaaawwwwaaaawaaaaa!!! Another original brain fart. Aren't you the creative one? Don't worry, though. Nobody expects much from people like you. As an experiment to see if you come back with a sock puppet, plonk. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. Another fool. This ng is full of them. Water seeks it's own level. And here you are. I didn't come here with "Fool fool fool" comments. It's obvious you wanted to join the fellowship of fools, fool. There. Feel better now, fool? BTW, would you suggest somebody pull a permit to replace a switch and receptacle? (let's make it even more offical). |
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J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: J. Clarke wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: Kyle wrote: TheNIGHTCRAWLER wrote: peter wrote: I heard if you do electrical work in your own home, you need to get a permit or inspection, or else it is illegel and would void your HO insurance. You heard wrong. Electrical work is not rocket science, despite what the collection of fools around here say. That's OK, I failed out of rocket science my freshman year of college. Of course, the University of Delaware called it "Honors Aerospace Engineering". Stick to macrame, fool. You need to be more specific in your response, instead of vague and insulting. What isn't specific enough about, "NO, you don't need a stinking permit/inspector to replace a switch and receptacle", fool? Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. Non sequitur, fool. The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? The electrician we had out to fix it created another problem the inspectors caught. What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. If you're doing anything more complicated than that, call an electrician. Expecially if you're a fool, fool. And if you're unsure, yeah, call your local municipality's code enforcement office - simply Google the name of your municipality (county, city, township, whatever) and "inspection" or "inspectors" and you can find who to contact. Look in the blue pages, fool. Fascinating. Just fascinating. You retards are easily entertained. I have this image in my mind One too many trips, eh retard? "retard"? I call 'em as I see 'em. Sorry, I overestimated your age--make it about 12. Bhaaaawwwwaaaawaaaaa!!! Another original brain fart. Aren't you the creative one? Don't worry, though. Nobody expects much from people like you. As an experiment to see if you come back with a sock puppet, plonk. Sock puppet? Wow! Did you just make that up? Your creativity is just flowing! BTW, have you ever had an original thought in your whole pathetic life? Don't worry, though. Nobody expects much from people like you. |
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Let me get this straight, you would argue over a minor fee for a
permit? The permit lets you receive a 2nd opinion on the work you have done. Seeing how it's so inexpensive why not just do it. In Toronto Canada a fire alarm company was fined for removing a smoke detector head (equivalent of taking down a light socket) and replaced with same type. The electrical authority fined them for not having a permit. This has since been modified to allow this work without having to get a permit. But imagine not being able to replace a light socket without a permit. As another poster mentioned, would this be strictly monitored. Probably not until you burned your home down by doing something silly. J |
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"Justin West" wrote in message oups.com... Let me get this straight, you would argue over a minor fee for a permit? The permit lets you receive a 2nd opinion on the work you have done. Seeing how it's so inexpensive why not just do it. A couple of reasons. If the job is minor and the person, even the homeowner, is reasonably competent, there is no need for an inspection and the associated fee for adding a receptacle, changing a fixture, etc. Watch how much electrical and plumbing supplies are sold on a given day at any Home Dept, Crappy Tire etc. Imagine the amount of paperwork required and the cost of issuing all those permits and making all those inspections. Town hall would be mobbed. There are times, though, when a person must be saved from themselves. Years ago I was working at a fairly new house. I was doing a door installation but the homeowner was starting to finish the basement. He wired four receptacles using lamp cord! I pointed them out to his wife and I'm hoping it was changed. Yes, there are truly stupid people out there. |
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According to :
Building without a permit is not a criminal offense unless you are selling the service to a 3d party. I have never seen a policy that would keep you from collecting unless they could prove you intentionally committed arson. Caution. Most house insurance policies carry exclusions for the consequences of illegal acts. In Canada, violating the electrical code (for example) is an illegal act (provincial level). I assume that it is in some US jurisdictions as well (even if only a bylaw infraction). In Canada, legal prosecutions for code infractions are _extremely_ rare, and usually only when the consequences were especially severe[+]. Still, insurance companies like avoiding payouts. If a fire is a consequence of unpermitted wiring modifications, you can damn betcha they have incentive to refuse to pay. Will they? Depends. Do you feel lucky? If they do, you have to sue. Which, on top of the consequences of a fire is going to be extremely costly. No insurance payout, an unuseable house, and trying to pay a lawyer at the same time. Not fun. Do I pull a permit for minor work? No. Because I know _my_ work won't cause problems, and the overall risk is extremely low. But certain things I do pull permits for - not because I can't DIY them (some I do), but because they're more major/critical, and the consequence of foulups is so high. Furthermore, I make sure that permits are pulled for work that contractors do for me. The permits protect _me_ from shoddy workmanship, which is altogether too common - and a lot more obvious now that I've been watching Holmes on Homes ;-) [+] Just recently, a local landlord (man and wife) were fined $12K for not providing smoke alarms. While there is a bit more legislation regarding fire alarms than "merely" the Ontario Building Code, the fact that five people died as a result of the fire demonstrates that the govt. is fully capable of enforcing the code thru the courts where "making an example" is necessary. The papers didn't say whether the insurance companies paid for the damage. I somehow doubt it. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in
ups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. Another fool. This ng is full of them. Water seeks it's own level. And here you are. I didn't come here with "Fool fool fool" comments. It's obvious you wanted to join the fellowship of fools, fool. There. Feel better now, fool? ...fool? Krackle krackle. Squalk. and insert blabbing horn sound of Charley Brown's teacher. Amature. Long way to go before you can catch up to the "ex" with slam comments. BTW, would you suggest somebody pull a permit to replace a switch and receptacle? (let's make it even more offical). No. I think the OP's Q was are you SUPPOSE to. If you actually do it, that is pretty lame. |
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Al Bundy wrote:
"TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in ups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: Al Bundy wrote: "TheNIGHTCRAWLER" wrote in oups.com: komobu wrote: I dont agree with your advice at all. Another fool. This ng is full of them. I think there are a lot of variables that the OP hasnt stated clearly. What is his/her deffinition of a "home". A fool just throws common sense out the window, fool. I don't care if it's a ****ing teepee. He asked about replacing a switch and receptacle. If it was his own single family residence, and he is the owner on record, you may be correct. You just contradicted yourself: "I dont agree with your advice at all". Fools tend to do that a lot. If it is a condo or other multiple family residense, your advice could very well be in error. The smart reply would be to ask for more info, or call the city. Keeeeeeerrrist, man, he asked about replacing a switch and a receptacle. The smart thing would be to spend ten minutes and be done with it. Only a fool would have to ask for more info, fool. Our city even has a web page where you can check on line what can and can not be done without a permit. Well, what does your city say about replacing a switch and receptacle? It appears to me you just want to bother people and you dont care about the ramifications of the advice you spit out. It's a ****ing switch and receptacle, fool. That may be a major project for you, but God damn, don't assume everybody is as stupid as you are. Another fool. This ng is full of them. Water seeks it's own level. And here you are. I didn't come here with "Fool fool fool" comments. It's obvious you wanted to join the fellowship of fools, fool. There. Feel better now, fool? ...fool? Krackle krackle. Squalk. and insert blabbing horn sound of Charley Brown's teacher. Amature. Long way to go before you can catch up to the "ex" with slam comments. BTW, would you suggest somebody pull a permit to replace a switch and receptacle? (let's make it even more offical). No. Correct. A day late and dollar short but, correct. I think the OP's Q was are you SUPPOSE to. The answer is NO. If you actually do it, that is pretty lame. Non sequitur. |
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LOL, normally I'd let all these messages pass without a comment. But
that was priceless.. Well said. J. Clarke wrote: Fascinating. Just fascinating. I have this image in my mind of a pasty, pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested scrawny 16 year old white kids. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Fascinating. Just fascinating. I have this image in my mind of a pasty, pimply-faced sunken chested scrawny 16 year old white kid who can't frighten a housefly who in his fantasy of fantasies wants to be a big robust black guy with a mohawk, feather earrings, lots of bling, and a propensity to scare the crap out of pasty, pimply-faced sunken-chested scrawny 16 year old white kids. [Sigh] Yeah. The Intarwebs are filled with NIGHTCRAWLER's type of arrogant, un-informed hostility. My guess is either like yours, or he's a 36 year old vo-tech who thinks he knows everything about home repair and construction...and has lots of white-man hostility about the liberals, the terrrrists and illegal immigrants, thinks Rush Limbaugh is always right, and is probably deeply confused by the fact there's more than one street named Peachtree in his city. I have an image in my mind of him standing at a protest dressed in dirty shorts and a ratty t-shirt, holding a sign that says "Get a brain, morans [sic]!" Usually I attempt to rise above such provocations, but I'm Irish and have had a bad couple months fighting a losing battle against the Maryland MTA (one of their buses crushed my car when it was parked in front of my house and they refuse to reimburse me for the normal costs of replacing the car), and since it came as a part of someone else's post let me take some time to demonstrate to NIGHTCRAWLER that I am obviously a drooling imbecile incapable of tying my own shoes while he should be elevated to godhood and we should all bow to his obviously superior intellect. When I wrote: So if you're replacing a light switch or outlet, be DAMNED sure you know what you're doing, or call a licensed electrician. TheNIGHTCRAWLER responded: Or call anybody with an IQ over 80. You obviously don't qualify. 139. Master's degree, Princeton. Have had successful careers in retail management, radio and television and now an ordained pastor and Finance Analyst at Johns Hopkins University. While that doesn't qualify me to speak with authority on home repairs, perhaps having worked for a commercial construction company and having years of personal experience with carpentry, concrete work, roofing and general home remodeling (working for my father's remodeling company part time while at seminary) gives my statement some credence. When I opined: Point is, even a licensed electrician can get things wrong. TheNIGHTCRAWLER tried with: Non sequitur, fool. Please explain how what I said doesn't follow from the discussion. Or could it be that you, in your great wisdom and brilliance, do not know the meaning of the Latin "non sequitur"? When I related: The licensed electrician who had done work on the house we bought (before the previous owner's estate sold it) had reversed polarity in nearly every room in the house. TheNIGHTCRAWLER retorted: Didn't you get a home inspection before buying, fool? Did you hire a fool to do your home inspection, fool? Re-read what I said. "the previous owner's estate sold it". The owner had died and his legal estate was selling the home. If you knew what you pretend to about real estate law, in many states an estate sale means that any home inspection is done for information purposes only, and the estate cannot be held liable to effect repairs of a non-structure-threatening nature. Of course, the buyer always has the option to withdraw the bid contingent upon the results of the inspection, but my wife and I didn't think reversed polarity was a serious enough defect in the house to warrant that. TheNIGHTCRAWLER has asked: What problem could possibly be created by switching two wires around, fool? You sound like a fool and a LIAR. And you, sir, have just proven yourself the idiot you accuse others of being. Anyone with a basic knowledge of home electrical wiring knows that while reversed polarity does not present a danger to most appliances, light fixtures, etc., some delicate electronics can sustain damage from reversed polarity, some surge suppressors may not protect equipment against power spikes, and some equipment may not stop when shut off or start as soon as plugged in. I don't know about you, but I kinda like the idea of not burning out the nice new computer I just built, or the TV, the DVD player, my PocketPC when it's recharging the battery, etc. Nor do I want appliances or tools not shutting off when I need them to. I want my electric done properly. See OSHA's discussion of it he http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/smallbusiness/sec14.html Since you've shown you have little understanding of basic electrical wiring, I'm gonna take a wild guess you failed out of that vo-tech school, yes? Is that why you're so angry and feel the need to insult everyone here? |
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