The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our
state that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition qualified.

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Dave

MUST be NICEIC registered


Is that a fact?

"Mr Fuxit" wrote in message
oups.com...
MUST be NICEIC registered


Is that a fact?

No, there are other bodies who can allow self certification: Napit, ECA
etc., if the electrical work requires notification to the local building
authority, under part p.

Jaymack

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:

The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.


...snip..


It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Tough. I've got a bedroom to decorate and it needs the sockets moving
off the skirting boards and a couple of new ones installed. I will not
be paying someone to do this for me as I am perfectly capable of doing
it myself. I am also perfectly capable (probably more capable...) of
forging an invoice from a qualified electrician

Now I do hope that no-one will dob me in.

--
Warning: Do not look directly into laser with remaining eye.

In article ,
Dave writes:
The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our
state that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition qualified.

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Lots of mistakes. Seems to have been written by someone
who has rather too little grasp of the issues to actually
understand the point they were trying to make, whatever
is was.

--
Andrew Gabriel

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave
saying something like:

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

Got any further info on that? Sounds like a load of ******** from the
organisation.
--
Dave
GS850x2 SE6a
I demand nothing of you except that you amuse me.

In article ,
Dave wrote:
It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

Reference?

--
*If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave" wrote

snip

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

AIUI - this only applies to domestic work.
I am not qualified and cannot do work at home where there is a possibility
of endangering the lives of 3 people

But at work I can do anything I like to endanger the lives of 350 people (
and if the fire is big enough shut an international airport )

Ho Hum ..... must be some logic in this somewhere

Regards Jeff

"Dave" wrote in message
...
The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Wrong. There are no statutory requirements for installations other than
domestic installations. I can't rewire my house, but I can rewire a factory
with a three-phase supply. It is also sloppy to refer to the 16th edition
IEE regs, when the law refers to them as BS 7671:2001.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our state
that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

Council rules are Council rules and do not necessarily match statutory
requirements. However, NICEIC registration does not qualify anyone to
self-certify for Part P unless they also register under the NICEIC Domestic
Installer Scheme and NICEIC is not the only body that can recognise people
as competent persons, capable of self-certifying an installation.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition
qualified.

That may be true in the case of the Council rules referred to. Elsewhere, it
is not true even of domestic installations, unless the wiring is in a
kitchen or is a special installation: locations containing a bath tub or
shower basin, swimming pools or paddling pools, garden lighting or power,
hot air saunas, electric floor or ceiling heating systems, ELV lighting
installations (unless pre-assembled and CE marked), solar photovoltaic power
supplies or small scale generators.

....
In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Whoever wrote this has no understanding of the law.

Colin Bignell

Dave wrote:

The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

Many thanks for your positive answers :-)

I thought that I was on the right lines before I posted. Like all who
have answered me, I also think that it is a load of B*ll*cks.

I might even post to that forum and point them in the right direction.

Thanks again

Dave

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:05:25 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

Anyone got details of what really happened ?

So, am I now prohibited from replacing a broken switch or broken dual 13A
wall outlet ?

I thought it (Part Pee) was intended for correct wiring specification /
installation practice and "deeper stuff", not repairs and replacements to
"surface" stuff.... - can anyone confirm this ? ( as opposed to "guess at
what is meant")

Thanks,

Nick

On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:57:03 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

So, am I now prohibited from replacing a broken switch or broken dual 13A
wall outlet ?

No. The ODPM site says that you can replace/repair items - anywhere.

--
Frank Erskine

"Frank Erskine" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:57:03 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

So, am I now prohibited from replacing a broken switch or broken dual 13A
wall outlet ?

No. The ODPM site says that you can replace/repair items - anywhere.

--
Frank Erskine

Hi Frank,

Thanks for confirming that - I am sure the authorities, if they ever knew,
would much prefer to see a safe wall socket rather than a broken unsafe one
in a kids bedroom - or anywhere for that matter....

Cheers,

Nick

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:08:23 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

Thanks for confirming that - I am sure the authorities, if they ever knew,
would much prefer to see a safe wall socket rather than a broken unsafe one
in a kids bedroom - or anywhere for that matter....

Why?

Part P is a _tax_ measure, not a safety measure. Don't assign good or
sensible intentions to the regulatory *******s, it only encourages them.

The purpose of John Prescott is a self-perpetuating bureaucrcy and an
ever-increasing stream of ever-larger lunches. **** him and the pair of
Jaguars he rode in on.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:08:23 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

Thanks for confirming that - I am sure the authorities, if they ever knew,
would much prefer to see a safe wall socket rather than a broken unsafe
one
in a kids bedroom - or anywhere for that matter....

Why?

Part P is a _tax_ measure, not a safety measure. Don't assign good or
sensible intentions to the regulatory *******s, it only encourages them.

The purpose of John Prescott is a self-perpetuating bureaucrcy and an
ever-increasing stream of ever-larger lunches. **** him and the pair of
Jaguars he rode in on.

Hi Andy.....

Of course ! - I was blinded by reason and the need for safe working
practices...
I guess non-compliance will take similar status and penalties to tax evasion
then....

I used to smile at people emigrating to avoid all this recent (~10 years)
bureaucracy
but now I am seriously taking note and wondering which country I could
tolerate..
France would be the obvious choice but it's full of the French, arrogant
selfish
*******s, so maybe Spain ?

Nick

On 20 Nov 2005 12:14:02 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

Andy Dingley writes:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:08:23 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

Thanks for confirming that - I am sure the authorities, if they ever knew,
would much prefer to see a safe wall socket rather than a broken unsafe one
in a kids bedroom - or anywhere for that matter....

Why?

Part P is a _tax_ measure, not a safety measure. Don't assign good or
sensible intentions to the regulatory *******s, it only encourages them.

The purpose of John Prescott is a self-perpetuating bureaucrcy and an
ever-increasing stream of ever-larger lunches. **** him and the pair of
Jaguars he rode in on.

*applause*


I'd say *ovation*....


--

..andy

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:08:23 GMT, "Nick" wrote:

Thanks for confirming that - I am sure the authorities, if they ever
knew,
would much prefer to see a safe wall socket rather than a broken unsafe
one
in a kids bedroom - or anywhere for that matter....

Why?

Part P is a _tax_ measure, not a safety measure. Don't assign good or
sensible intentions to the regulatory *******s, it only encourages them.

The purpose of John Prescott is a self-perpetuating bureaucrcy and an
ever-increasing stream of ever-larger lunches. **** him and the pair of
Jaguars he rode in on.

It is definitely for safety. John is doing a brill job.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our state
that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition
qualified.

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person who
worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Dave


So does this mean I am not legally allowed to add the spur I was just going
to add?

Steve

"Steve Rainbird" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our state
that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition
qualified.

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Dave


So does this mean I am not legally allowed to add the spur I was just
going to add?

Steve



Just answered my own question.

From the building regs

"Works that are not notifiable include repairs, replacements and
maintenance; and additions or alterations to existing circuits outside of
kitchens and bathrooms."

Steve

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Dave
saying something like:


It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.


Got any further info on that? Sounds like a load of ******** from the
organisation.


Regrettably, no :-(

Dave

Steve Rainbird wrote:
"Steve Rainbird" wrote in message
...
"Dave" wrote in message
...
The following has just been lifted from the caretakers web site

***quote***
If you are not a qualified electrician with certification up to 16th
edition of the IEE regulations you cannot work on any electrical
installation.

Individual Councils will have even more prescriptive rules i.e. our state
that ALL contractoprs working on electrics where ANY installation
variation work is undertaken MUST be NICEIC registered in addition to
fully 16th edition qualified.

This means that anyone working on electrical circuits, including the
replacement of switches and sockets must be at least 16th edition
qualified.

It is worth noting that the first prosecution of an unqualified person
who worked on the electrics in HIS OWN HOME has just been successfully
concluded.

In effect this means that anyone working on elecrtical circuits anywhere
has to be 16th edition qualified.
***end quote***

Anyone care to comment?

Dave


So does this mean I am not legally allowed to add the spur I was just
going to add?

Steve



Just answered my own question.

From the building regs

"Works that are not notifiable include repairs, replacements and
maintenance; and additions or alterations to existing circuits outside of
kitchens and bathrooms."


My bathroom lighting circuit (for the light at least) is actually in
the loft, so I guess I'll just carry on as normal.

MBQ

Steve Rainbird wrote:
From the building regs

"Works that are not notifiable include repairs, replacements and
maintenance; and additions or alterations to existing circuits outside of
kitchens and bathrooms."

How does this information sit regarding Christian McArdle's reply to
me in Message-ID: :

CMcA:
CPB:
Unless there's documentation of what was there, it doesn't really
matter. You're "allowed" to replace bits and pieces, so who'll
know?
It would be hard to suggest that a rewired house with every cable
saying 2006 was actually rewired in 2003, but that every single
cable and fitting had to be replaced since.

Any ideas?