We got bit by the San Antonio Four Seasons outlet. They send a sales
rep out. He surveys, photos, offers price, makes deal aaaannnnnndddd,
hmmmm, he apparently is incompetent, the "engineer" shows up 4 or 5
days later, after they have signed contracts etc. explains how the
sales rep didnt know what he was doing, BINGO price goes from 27K and
change to 37K. Needless to say, no deal and will have nothing good to
relay about their tactics. Be warned.

What's a "Four Seasons outlet"?

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We got bit by the San Antonio Four Seasons outlet. They send a sales
rep out. He surveys, photos, offers price, makes deal aaaannnnnndddd,
hmmmm, he apparently is incompetent, the "engineer" shows up 4 or 5
days later, after they have signed contracts etc. explains how the
sales rep didnt know what he was doing, BINGO price goes from 27K and
change to 37K. Needless to say, no deal and will have nothing good to
relay about their tactics. Be warned.

Thanx.


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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:08 -0800, "Jim McLaughlin" jim.mclaughlin
wrote:

What's a "Four Seasons outlet"?

Sunrooms.

Ken

I looked at several and I thought Patio had the best product. My wife
decided she wants screens in between the window panes so we will go with
stick built using Pella windows. My only problem with all the the sunroom
companies is you look at the warranty and they say they are forever but they
except normal wear and tear. So what happens if the windows leak and you
ask for a replacement and they say its normal wear and tear. Plus most have
binding arbitration clauses so you cannot even sue them in small claims
court.


"Bakpain" wrote in message
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We got bit by the San Antonio Four Seasons outlet. They send a sales
rep out. He surveys, photos, offers price, makes deal aaaannnnnndddd,
hmmmm, he apparently is incompetent, the "engineer" shows up 4 or 5
days later, after they have signed contracts etc. explains how the
sales rep didnt know what he was doing, BINGO price goes from 27K and
change to 37K. Needless to say, no deal and will have nothing good to
relay about their tactics. Be warned.

So... You're saying this seemingly reputable company was willing to
give up 27K in the hopes that you "might" agree to spend 10K more???
Doesn't sound like something that makes very good business sense, even
"deceptive" business sense... I mean, if they're gonna try to "ploy"
you, one would think they'd do it in a manner that they wouldn't loose
the original arrangement in the process.

Tactics? I don't know - sounds like simply what it was - dumb
salseman, smart engineer.

BiloxiBoy wrote:
So... You're saying this seemingly reputable company was willing to
give up 27K in the hopes that you "might" agree to spend 10K more???
Doesn't sound like something that makes very good business sense, even
"deceptive" business sense... I mean, if they're gonna try to "ploy"
you, one would think they'd do it in a manner that they wouldn't loose
the original arrangement in the process.

Tactics? I don't know - sounds like simply what it was - dumb
salseman, smart engineer.

I agree, it didnt make any sense. The dif in cost was surely going to
drive us off. We got the whole deal though. The manager of the local
retailer was "new". The salesman was "new" the guy that called us was
supposed to be from New York brought in to fix some issue. Issues
hell, if this is how they continue to do business, they have more than
issues. Going to have another company (Florian) come in and give us a
bid. If they are close to the 37K of Four Season then we will know,
dumbarse or scam.

"BiloxiBoy" wrote in message
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So... You're saying this seemingly reputable company was willing to
give up 27K in the hopes that you "might" agree to spend 10K more???
Doesn't sound like something that makes very good business sense, even
"deceptive" business sense... I mean, if they're gonna try to "ploy"
you, one would think they'd do it in a manner that they wouldn't loose
the original arrangement in the process.

Tactics? I don't know - sounds like simply what it was - dumb
salseman, smart engineer.

Why do you doubt this? Tactics like this are done all the time. By the
time the "engineer" come around,the customer has committed to having that
new whatever, told the friends and neighbors and is reluctant to back down.
You'd be surprised how often this is done.

On 21 Feb 2006 15:22:37 -0800, "Bakpain" wrote:

We got bit by the San Antonio Four Seasons outlet. They send a sales
rep out. He surveys, photos, offers price, makes deal aaaannnnnndddd,
hmmmm, he apparently is incompetent, the "engineer" shows up 4 or 5
days later, after they have signed contracts etc. explains how the
sales rep didnt know what he was doing, BINGO price goes from 27K and
change to 37K. Needless to say, no deal and will have nothing good to
relay about their tactics. Be warned.

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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:30:26 GMT, "Art"
wrote:

I looked at several and I thought Patio had the best product. My wife

They sell enclosures. I thought that was a place to imprison the
neibhbor boy or my mother in law.


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"Art" wrote in message
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I looked at several and I thought Patio had the best product. My wife
decided she wants screens in between the window panes so we will go with
stick built using Pella windows.

You mean blinds betweens the panes? A friend just had the Pella windows
with the blinds between the panes installed...nice looking windows.

Tom G.

To the tune of $10K? If true, the world is certainly going downhill
faster than I thought...

In any event, I still can't see why I - as a business man looking to
survive in the business world - would employ these kinds of tactics if
it means there's even the possibility that I would loose a $27K sale.
I mean, I could see a few hundred and then call it a "ploy", but that's
a lot of money to be tossing away in the hope of making another
$10,000. I mean, $10K is an almost sure deal breaker, at least in "my"
world it is. So why risk it???

Yes I meant blinds between panes and invisible screens that roll up when not
needed. And the Patio brand I mentioned is actually Patio Enclosures.


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"Art" wrote in message
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I looked at several and I thought Patio had the best product. My wife
decided she wants screens in between the window panes so we will go with
stick built using Pella windows.

You mean blinds betweens the panes? A friend just had the Pella windows
with the blinds between the panes installed...nice looking windows.

Tom G.

Bakpain wrote:
We got bit by the San Antonio Four Seasons outlet. They send a sales
rep out. He surveys, photos, offers price, makes deal aaaannnnnndddd,
hmmmm, he apparently is incompetent, the "engineer" shows up 4 or 5
days later, after they have signed contracts etc. explains how the
sales rep didnt know what he was doing, BINGO price goes from 27K and
change to 37K. Needless to say, no deal and will have nothing good to
relay about their tactics. Be warned.

Warned about what? You had a signed contract. You could have stuck to
your guns and let them worry about where that extra 10K was coming
from. Of course in those sort of situations, you'd better stay on top
of the work to make sure they're not cutting corners.

R

In any event, I still can't see why I - as a business man looking to
survive in the business world - would employ these kinds of tactics if
it means there's even the possibility that I would loose a $27K sale.
I mean, I could see a few hundred and then call it a "ploy", but that's
a lot of money to be tossing away in the hope of making another
$10,000. I mean, $10K is an almost sure deal breaker, at least in "my"
world it is. So why risk it???

Because the $27K doesn't represent any profit, so loosing that deal
is desirable. It's just part of the sales ploy to get the $37K.
I wonder what would happen if someone made a downpayment and then
sued for specific performance?

You won't win specific performance but you will win damages. Unfortunately,
court costs and attorney fees will eat the winnings up. Courts rarely award
specific performance where money damages can be substituted.


"Goedjn" wrote in message
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In any event, I still can't see why I - as a business man looking to
survive in the business world - would employ these kinds of tactics if
it means there's even the possibility that I would loose a $27K sale.
I mean, I could see a few hundred and then call it a "ploy", but that's
a lot of money to be tossing away in the hope of making another
$10,000. I mean, $10K is an almost sure deal breaker, at least in "my"
world it is. So why risk it???

Because the $27K doesn't represent any profit, so loosing that deal
is desirable. It's just part of the sales ploy to get the $37K.
I wonder what would happen if someone made a downpayment and then
sued for specific performance?

I thought about fighting it but they said the engineer had the right to
determine that the job was "unbuildable" as designed by the salesperson
and they could pull out anyway. Without getting lawyers involved I
figure the best thing to do is find another REPUTABLE company and let
everyone on every remodeling alt. know about it. I even told the "New
York" manager to keep an eye out on Google for his companies name.