Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

adTHANKSvance,
Dan

shortmort37 wrote:
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

When you get cold... it will be Beautiful! ;-p Try not to kill yourself
and your family and purchase a vented heater. Nowhere in America can an
occupied space have unvented heaters. Its just plain stupid to have
unvented!


adTHANKSvance,
Dan

I agree with Don. Unvented heaters can be dangerous. You are responsible for
keeping your family safe.

"shortmort37" wrote in message
oups.com...
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

adTHANKSvance,
Dan

http://alsheating.com/RinnaiHeater.htm

I do not know what your application is, but the Dynavent vented wall
furnaces are good:
http://www.dynavent.com/

My father has 2 of these in his condo and they heat very well.

Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!

[I'm only reading alt.home.repair - so if someone comments & wants me
to see it- leave a.h.r in the crosspost list]
Don Ocean wrote:
-snip-
When you get cold... it will be Beautiful! ;-p Try not to kill yourself
and your family and purchase a vented heater. Nowhere in America can an
occupied space have unvented heaters. Its just plain stupid to have
unvented!
-snip-

A properly sized unvented unit is no problem in a *properly sized*
occupied space. Just like with the vented units a CO & gas
detector is a wise purchase. [and probably required by most codes]

My digital readout CO detector shows no CO in my living room with an
unvented heater. When I had the non-digital one, the only time
it ever went off was when I was using all 4 burners and the oven in
the gas stove in an adjacent kitchen. This was in the spring and the
unvented stove wasn't running.

My local codes have a chart of max BTU for an unvented heater for each
room size . Check your code enforcement office and your local
utility.

Jim

In misc.consumers.house Al Bundy wrote:
Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!

You don't have a gas stove, do you?

"shortmort37" wrote in message
oups.com...
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

How about Rinnai? http://www.rinnai.us/products/heater...s/products.asp

"Al Bundy" wrote in message
oups.com...
Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I have 2 of them and don't smell anything odd, no deaths or
headaches either........

FFS ocean, whay aren't you bashing Jews and minorities in this group?

wrote:

You don't have a gas stove, do you?

There's a considerable difference between an 8000 BTU stove burner that's
operating for 15 minutes in a 24 hour period and a 100,000 BTU furnace burner
that may run for several hours, when it comes to undesireable gasses...

As long as you have plenty of oxygen to burn in a room, and a clean burning
appliance, all the vented gases will be carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, water
vapor, and some trace gases. BUT the minute you run shy of oxygen, or have
INCOMPLETE combustion because of a plugged air shutter or something, then
you'll be creating carbon monoxide, deadly, odorless, and quite effective in
eliminating your family.

--
Zyp


"Al" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Al Bundy" wrote in message
oups.com...
Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm I have 2 of them and don't smell anything odd, no deaths or
headaches either........

"Al Bundy" wrote:

Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!

In general if you can smell a gas appliance it is in need of
adjustments and you are asking for trouble.

If my tank is nearly empty I can sometimes get the very slightest of
of odors from the additive they put in LP gas. But no-one has ever
mentioned an odor from my unvented stove in the 5-6 years I've been
running it.


I'd love to read a recent [last 5-10 years] scientific study that
supports your 'unvented gas heaters are bad for your health'
statement.

Here's one from 10 years ago that I think seems to be calling the mold
from the excess water vapor the major pollutant. [not so likely
in my house-- even with the LP heater throwing off supplemental heat
& vapor, I still never get above 38% humidity in the winter]

It also has ridiculous statements like "Continuous use of a 40,000 Btu
per hour heater, as would be necessary in a cold climate, causes
indoor pollutant levels to exceed these government-specified air
quality and health standards."

Under certain circumstances there is no doubt that you can create a
hazard with a ventless heater. But I doubt that a reasonable person,
who installs one properly sized for a room will ever be exposed to
excess pollutants. [including CO]

Jim

On 9 Jan 2006 18:13:17 -0800, "shortmort37"
wrote:

Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop?

I misread this question earlier, so I'm a little late in answering
it--
http://www.dixieproducts.com/vent-free_stoves.html
and
http://www.comfort-glow-comfortglow.com/

Mine's a Desa. I thought it was cool that they made it from cast
iron and it is as heavy as a woodstove-- and it probably does add to
the illusion-- but man is it a bear to move. [I don't do it often, but
I found the best way to get rid of the dust is to take it outside and
blow the dust with compressed air.]

Jim

Clark W. Griswold, Jr. wrote:
wrote:

You don't have a gas stove, do you?

There's a considerable difference between an 8000 BTU stove burner that's
operating for 15 minutes in a 24 hour period and a 100,000 BTU furnace burner
that may run for several hours, when it comes to undesireable gasses...

Clark, the people that own these unvented devices have been sold a bill
of goods. Now that they are stuck, they want to rationalize their
position. You can't simply burn something in the open air and expect
the air not to contain chemicals. The same principle does apply to a
gas stove. A window should be cracked open when they are used. Many
experts recommend that. Also, when there are power outages and people
try to use a gas stove running constantly to supply heat, they are
advised against that for health reasons. People still take chances and
do it. The fact that something meets code in some jurisdiction is not
enough to satisfy my desire for clean air.

wrote:
In misc.consumers.house Al Bundy wrote:
Those unvented heaters stink, literally. It will often smell like you
are using a kerosene heater. That smell is unburned gasses. They may be
legal and meet some standard somewhere, but they are bad news for your
health. Your family will suffer headeaches and breathing problems at
the least. It just ain't worth the headache!

You don't have a gas stove, do you?

No I don't. I have an electric stove and gas fired hot water heat. I
also own part of three natural gas wells in Caddo County and would be
glad to sell all I can for $12/000 to anyone using vented or unvented.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If my tank is nearly empty I can sometimes get the very slightest of
of odors from the additive they put in LP gas. But no-one has ever
mentioned an odor from my unvented stove in the 5-6 years I've been
running it.


Carbon monoxide......no color..no taste...no odour....no wake up from
deep sleep!

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:07:42 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
wrote:



Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If my tank is nearly empty I can sometimes get the very slightest of
of odors from the additive they put in LP gas. But no-one has ever
mentioned an odor from my unvented stove in the 5-6 years I've been
running it.


Carbon monoxide......no color..no taste...no odour....no wake up from
deep sleep!

But it *is* detectable & that's why it is foolish to have any
combustion heater- vented or unvented- without having CO detectors
placed appropriately on each floor.

[and my unvented heater has never registered any reading on the
detector in that room]

Jim

Al Bundy wrote:
The same principle does apply to a
gas stove. A window should be cracked open when they are used. Many
experts recommend that. Also, when there are power outages and people
try to use a gas stove running constantly to supply heat, they are
advised against that for health reasons.

I remember when I first got my license (about an hour ago) asking the
instructor why a gas stove didn't need to be vented. He couldn't come up
with an answer.
I have attended a few emergency calls that involved CO detectors being
activated by stoves. It's usually the homeowner boiling water for hours
on end in a large pot, like when making tomatoe sauce in the fall.
When a flame impinges on a cold surface, walla!
These non-vented heaters aren't "special"....the people who buy them are.

In misc.consumers.house Clark W. Griswold, Jr. wrote:
wrote:

You don't have a gas stove, do you?

There's a considerable difference between an 8000 BTU stove burner that's
operating for 15 minutes in a 24 hour period and a 100,000 BTU furnace burner
that may run for several hours, when it comes to undesireable gasses...

I never endorsed nor would I ever install a ventless heater for myself.

On the other hand I have never smelled the "stink" that "smells like
[i] am using a kerosene heater" even when running a 30k BTU oven and three
15k BTU burners for hours. My family does not suffer from headaches or
breathing problems when cooking for hours.

Burning natural gas just doesn't smell like kerosene. If its burning
properly there is no (human) detectable odor. If someone (like you) wants
to say an unvented natural gas appliance adds unwanted water vapor as
well as potentially harmful combustion byproducts to the living space,
I'll agree.

If a poster says it smells like kerosene and will at a minimum give
everyone headaches and breathing problems, I'll happily imply that the
poster is spreading misinformation and hope that no one believes anything
they say on the subject.

shortmort37 wrote:
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

You're gay, right?

B-Hate-Me wrote:

You're gay, right?

You're not supposed to call people "gay" anymore.
The new term is "sexually challenged".

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:33:26 -0500, B-Hate-Me
wrote:

shortmort37 wrote:
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

You're gay, right?


www.cribcandy.com

The PC term is "alternatively sexually oriented".

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"B-Hate-Me" wrote in message
...
shortmort37 wrote:
Are there any out there, that don't look like they belong in an
industrial machine shop? I don't have the clearance to put in
something like a Vermont Castings stove in my family room (where I have
an available gas flexline), but I'd like to hang something decorative
as well as functional. Most everything I see online is flat-out ugly.

You're gay, right?

[original post is likely clipped to save bandwidth]
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:07:42 -0500, Cooltemp Industries
wrote:



Jim Elbrecht wrote:

If my tank is nearly empty I can sometimes get the very slightest of
of odors from the additive they put in LP gas. But no-one has ever
mentioned an odor from my unvented stove in the 5-6 years I've been
running it.


Carbon monoxide......no color..no taste...no odour....no wake up from
deep sleep!


The current unvented heaters with O2 depletion sensing pilots have over a
40 year track record of safety in Europe. CO has not proven to be an issue
with real data.

Nuisance outages is real issue particularly at higher altitudes where O2
is depleted!

Most states require they only be used for supplemental heat or decorative
use.

MA was one of the last states in the US to approve unvented gas heaters.
Unlike 48 states, MA added the requirement of not only an O2 depletion
sensor but a hard wired battery back up CO detector in each room such a
heater is installed, (the hard wire requirement is new).

Now if someone could provide credible references of a properly installed
and inspected O2 depletion sensing heater causing hazardous CO, please
post it!

Air quality is a different topic and may depend upon what sensitivities an
individual has. Some states such as ME (Maine) require ERV in every new
home or with any new heating system. That does a lot for air quality.

RE CO, I'd personally worry more about a faulty furnace's combustion
products than a properly installed unvented heater.

gerry

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