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Hi, All,
Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? Thanks! |
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"Kim" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. Every house settles. It is a matter of degree. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. That is a fairly high degree and you may want it checked out. Can you measure the tilt? Will it roll a marble? 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. Some is normal as the house expands and contracts with the heat, cooking, sun load, heaer burner warming hte chimney. Not having first hand knowledge I can't say what you see it normal. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? If the floors are tilting, yes. Some cracking of the drywall is normal, but most should have taken place years ago. If this is new, it is a concern. |
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Are you in an area that is gettintg a high degree of rainfall this year?
"Kim" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? Thanks! |
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On 26 Oct 2005 08:21:24 -0700, "Kim" wrote:
Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? I would say yes, if you plan to be in the house for any number of years. Look at the expense spread out, annualized, and it's a lot less than finding out 10 years ago that there's something that could have been dealt with easily ealier, but not any more. Look especially at drainage, ventilation of crawl space, areas of moisture entry ( that long crack , etc ). IMO, if the settingly is enough that you can notice 'tilting that wasn't there before', that's pretty signifigant. Especially now, when you may still have recourse gainst the seller if there's a problem. 10 years from now you won't. Thanks! Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel the uneven of it. |
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"Kim" writes:
Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. That sort of settling evidence is worrisome and should be evaluated. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. Cracking sounds as the attic heats up are not unusual in my experience. But then again, I could be a leming just ignoring them. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. Corner hairline cracks happen fairly routinely. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. ? We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? I might cal your inspector back and ask him these questions. He might be willing to come back and have a nother look cheaper than anyone else because he's somewhat invested in it with his name on the inspection report. A 2nd opinion at that point might give additional assurance. And assurance is worth the money spent--it's no fun to live in a place you think might fall down. -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ |
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No, I live at RTP, NC. As a matter of fact, it is kind of dry this year.
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On 26 Oct 2005 08:41:36 -0700, "Kim" wrote:
Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel the uneven of it. Your feet are not particularly 'finely calibrated', so if you notice it when walking around, it's a signifigant enough change in such a short period to have it looked at closely. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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"Kim" wrote in message
oups.com... No, I live at RTP, NC. As a matter of fact, it is kind of dry this year. uhoh...you live close to the Jonesboro Fault - a triassic-age dip-slip fault that is probably getting ready to bust loose any day now...what with the weird rain patterns this year...you know...long periods of drought followed by a day of intense rain. These triassic clays really swell and shrink from this type of climate change. What you need to do is get some teak or mahogany shims (only tropical wood will do) and jam then under the east and south corners of the house. Then go smoke some weed and ferget about it. Or call George W Bush - he's a genius...just trust him! |
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"Kim" writes:
Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel the uneven of it. A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how significant the issue is. The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-) -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ |
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Did YOU pay a "qualified" inspector for an inspection?
A qualified inspector should have picked up all these faults. Did you buy the house "as is"? Even so, the previous owner should have alerted you to any existing known problems. -- Abjure Obfuscation! "Kim" wrote in message oups.com... Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? Thanks! |
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"Todd H." wrote in message ... "Kim" writes: Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel the uneven of it. A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how significant the issue is. The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-) Maybe. Just today I used my 4' level to draw a line down some drywall I was going to cut. Just for the heck of it I checked with a plumb bob. The damn level is off by about 2 degrees! Used it for years, I wonder how much damage I have done... |
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:40:39 GMT, "Toller" wrote:
"Todd H." wrote in message ... "Kim" writes: Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel the uneven of it. A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how significant the issue is. The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-) Maybe. Just today I used my 4' level to draw a line down some drywall I was going to cut. Just for the heck of it I checked with a plumb bob. The damn level is off by about 2 degrees! Used it for years, I wonder how much damage I have done... You want to know the degree of damage ? Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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"Panos Popadopalous" wrote in message ... Did YOU pay a "qualified" inspector for an inspection? A qualified inspector should have picked up all these faults. Even so, the previous owner should have alerted you to any existing known problems. True, but it seems as though the problems are recent. If that is the case, the previous owner had no knowledge of them. |
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On 26 Oct 2005 08:21:24 -0700, someone wrote:
... Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? YES! Because it will make you feel better. Personally I think you are on the verge of hysterical and panic stricken. But its your house not mine, so go hire an engineer. I wouldn't, but I'm not as scared as you. Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has
foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Is there anyway that I can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem? |
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"Kim" writes:
How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Is there anyway that I can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem? Nope. Unless you're clairvoyant. Or they posted about it on usenet and you can tie their posting address to them. And, as a practical matter, it's worth knowing that no future buyer can prove or disprove the results of a construction engineer's findings or your knowledge or lack thereof. Best Regards, -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ |
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In article .com,
says... How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Or fix the problem and disclose an upgraded foundation. Not cheap, but not prohibitively expensive if the rest of the house is in good shape and the settlement is a small area. It was around $17,000 to jack up our two-story wood-frame house, tear out the old foundation, and pour a new one built to exceed earthquake code. Is there anyway that I can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem? Has it been temporarily fixed before? Did they do a quick patch-and- paint on cracked walls before selling the house? -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Updated Infrared Photography Books List: http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/irbooks.html |
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That is too much settling, in too little time! I think the footing is inadequate. You can only patch and hope it reaches some state of permanency. In all probability I would get out and have a properly built home constructed. The Southern Standard Building Codes are minimal standards written in cinjunction with the Banks to insure that the homes they were financing would last the term of the loan 30 years. It doesn't sound like yours meets that even. Sorry. This is just my opinion. |
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"And, as a practical matter, it's worth knowing that no future buyer
can prove or disprove the results of a construction engineer's findings or your knowledge or lack thereof. " How about if the new owner happens to later call the same engineer and the engineer says, "Oh, I remember looking at this house last year and giving the owner a report!" Doh! Or how about if the new owner sues the seller and the seller has to give a deposition? Now would you advise the seller to lie under oath, and risk perjury charges, to try to maintain the coverup? Granted, it's not highly likely that a future owner can prove what you knew about a problem, but it certainly isn't a sure thing. |
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In article , Joshua Putnam
says... In article .com, says... How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Or fix the problem and disclose an upgraded foundation. Not cheap, but not prohibitively expensive if the rest of the house is in good shape and the settlement is a small area. It was around $17,000 to jack up our two-story wood-frame house, tear out the old foundation, and pour a new one built to exceed earthquake code. That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it? But, yes, that's the answer. I went the route of getting an engineer's inspection and recommendations, documented these, and followed them, and documented that. One need only worry about disclosure to the next buyer if one doesn't FIX the problem. Banty |
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Yes, they did. But not my immediately previous owner. My immediately
previous owner only lived at this house for about 18 months. The owner before them did a quick patch-and paint on cracked walls before selling the house. |
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Hey, I would call an engineer immediately to figure out what is going on. These kinds of problems are very serious and without proper repair will make it very difficult to sell your house in the future. I would also contact the original contractor who built this house( if possible) to see if they will stand behind their work. If some piers have collapsed under your house it could indicate serious water problems under the house. When piers collapse, walls crack and undue strain is then placed on other portions of the house. This could have a cascading effect. It is important that you move on this quickly. Kim wrote: Hi, All, Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation problem (settling?) that worry me a lot. 1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in. 2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall. Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree. 3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than that. 4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard. We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have an inspection? What's your idea? Thanks! |
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As others have said, a lot of the things you mentioned - hairline
cracks in the corners, popping sounds - are just things that some houses do. The house we built in 1985 did all that stuff, but it's fine. The "floor tilting" that you feel when walking, could be a lot of things, the subfloor is warped or delaminated, or some other problem. Foundation settling is not the only possible cause. For that matter, the tilting is not necessarily a serious problem. My current house is old and has various tilts and uneven places in the floors, but they don't mean it's falling down. Have you looked at the foundation itself? Are there cracks in it? If there are nasty looking cracks in the foundation, or if your peace of mind is at stake, certainly consider getting a home inspector to examine the particular things that worry you. It's hard to say without seeing it, of course, but my sense from your original post is that you may be worrying about it a little too much. |
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In article ,
says... That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it? Oh, should of course note that construction costs will vary widely depending on your area and what contractors you use -- we had bids up to $60,000 for the same job. Definitely get the names of past customers before picking a contractor, and check their complaints history, bond payouts, etc. -- is Joshua Putnam http://www.phred.org/~josh/ Updated Bicycle Touring Books List: http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/tourbooks.html |
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In article , Joshua Putnam
says... In article , says... That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it? Oh, should of course note that construction costs will vary widely depending on your area and what contractors you use -- we had bids up to $60,000 for the same job. Definitely get the names of past customers before picking a contractor, and check their complaints history, bond payouts, etc. Oh - my foundation job is done already. Went well. Possibly might have been cheaper, but this was the contractor whom I could trust. Mostly, I'm just curious. Banty |
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yes, there are 2-3 cracks near a vent window of the foundation wall.
About 1/8 inch wide. |
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In article . com, Kim says...
yes, there are 2-3 cracks near a vent window of the foundation wall. About 1/8 inch wide. May or may not mean anything. Rather than worrying, hire an engineer to look at these issues. Banty |
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I have personal experience w/a house w/foundation failure, so will add
another voice to those saying "get an engineer." And, get a GOOD one. Either you'll find out what you need to know, (possibly for your own safety), or you'll be able to put your mind at ease. In my area such an inspection costs about three to four hundred bucks. More if they have to do any testing. Though it's not guaranteed, a good engineer can often spot signs that someone did an inadequate repair or concealed a defect altogether. This may or may not be anyone's fault. But if there is a problem it doesn't say much about the builder if his houses only last 12 yrs. The history of ownership and of any court records or complaints filed w/re to that property or the builder or owners might be very telling. Do your neighbors know if there were past problems? Depending on how small a community you're in, a house that's had problems can be known by quite a few people, like real estate agents, repair companies, etc. Good luck...i hope it turns out to be nothing, but IMO it's worth a few hundred to have some peace of mind. |
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On 26 Oct 2005 15:32:33 -0700, someone wrote:
...Is there anyway that I can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem? "Figure out" or PROVE (to an extent useable in a legal action)? Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU that they did?) Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem, maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all in YOUR imagination.) Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to
assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of all material facts related to the purchase of property. Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU that they did?) Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem, maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all in YOUR imagination.) Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer. On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:37 -0500, in misc.consumers.house redhatnooblet wrote: You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of all material facts related to the purchase of property. Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU that they did?) Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem, maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all in YOUR imagination.) Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote:
Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer. Bull****. They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire the inspector, you're a fool. On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:37 -0500, in misc.consumers.house redhatnooblet wrote: You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of all material facts related to the purchase of property. Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU that they did?) Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem, maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all in YOUR imagination.) Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote: Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer. Bull****. They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire the inspector, you're a fool. You're very naive if you believe that. |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:43:54 -0800, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote: Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer. Bull****. They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire the inspector, you're a fool. You're very naive if you believe that. You're an idiot if you don't understand it. If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period. If you're dumb enough to simply accept 'the inspection that comes bundled with the deal' from your agent, then you get what you get - THEIR INSPECTOR. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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In article ,
says... On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house wrote: On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote: Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer. Bull****. They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire the inspector, you're a fool. You're very naive if you believe that. ::sigh::: This from large-hole/small-sink. It's simple. If YOU YOU YOU hire an inspector they'll report to YOU YOU YOU. What are you suggesting, they the inspector will, um, make a lot of calls, seek out the seller's agent, call the seller's agent, and find out what they want them to say to the person who hired them?? Newsflash: The Whole World *isn't* really Out To Get You. Truly! Banty |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:47:23 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote: You're an idiot if you don't understand it. If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period. You're very naive. |
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Maybe. Just today I used my 4' level to draw a line down some drywall I was going to cut. Just for the heck of it I checked with a plumb bob. The damn level is off by about 2 degrees! Used it for years, I wonder how much damage I have done... Haha! I'm sure that's what my problem is with getting a straight cut. Well - even if it's not I'm gonna use it as an excuse. -- wallybbo |
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Is my house at danger?
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:13:06 -0800, wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:47:23 GMT, in misc.consumers.house wrote: You're an idiot if you don't understand it. If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period. You're very naive. You're an asshole. Luckily, you're not MY asshole. Click here every day to feed an animal that needs you today !!! http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/ Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me 'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.' 'With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.' HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/ |
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