Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not full-flow oil filters in
passenger cars are worth the extra price?

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Vic Dura wrote:
Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not full-flow oil filters in
passenger cars are worth the extra price?

My advice is to use what the manufacturer recommends. The recommend
filters are all that is needed. Putting in the worlds best filter in
today's car may take you to 257,259 miles with the cheapest filter you may
only get 257,112.


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FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?



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Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not full-flow oil filters in
passenger cars are worth the extra price?

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i dont think they are, if you have good oil pressure , then you have
enough flow .

Personally I stay away from Fram. They use a paper (cardboard?) backing
inside the filter that often blows out and then allows all dirty oil to
bypass the filter media. They also have a very poor anti-drainback valve
made from molded plastic that very often leaks. This leak results in an air
pocket in the filter, greatly increasing the time it takes to get oil moving
at startup. I did some serious damage to some rod bearings in a previous
vehicle before I figured out what was causing the problem.

AC Delco, Wix, Motorcraft, Puralator and others seem to be much better
built. I normally go with the "Powerflo" filters, which are Puralators with
a different paint job for $2!

"arizona" wrote in message
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FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that
do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin
off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no
damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?



"Vic Dura" wrote in message
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Anyone have any opinions as to whether or not full-flow oil filters in
passenger cars are worth the extra price?

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Oil pressure and oil flow are COMPLETELY independent. Consider if you had a
clogged passage - your oil pressure would be high, yet you'd have no oil
flow.

Smaller filters flow less oil than larger ones in general. Also, those that
are crammed full of filter media (several "premium" models) are more
restictive.

If you turn lots of RPM or have a performance-mdified engine and/or have a
high-volume oil pump, you should make sure you're not restricting oil flow
more than necessary with your oil filter. Unfortunately this data is hard
to find.

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i dont think they are, if you have good oil pressure , then you have
enough flow .

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:28:46 -0400, "arizona" wrote:

FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?

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Your Kidding Right ?

I do not read consumers reports and maybe their ranking of Fram
filters is a reason why....(if they in fact did rank them high)

Fram filters enjoy a very bad reputation within the car hobby and I
honestly doubt you will find any Gear Heads using them...

Bob G.

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:17 -0400, Bob G.
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:28:46 -0400, "arizona" wrote:

FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?

===============

Your Kidding Right ?

I do not read consumers reports and maybe their ranking of Fram
filters is a reason why....(if they in fact did rank them high)

Fram filters enjoy a very bad reputation within the car hobby and I
honestly doubt you will find any Gear Heads using them...

Bob G.

I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:08:52 -0700, in alt.home.repair
Full-flow oil filters Ashton Crusher wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:17 -0400, Bob G.
wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:28:46 -0400, "arizona" wrote:

FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?

===============

Your Kidding Right ?

I do not read consumers reports and maybe their ranking of Fram
filters is a reason why....(if they in fact did rank them high)

Fram filters enjoy a very bad reputation within the car hobby and I
honestly doubt you will find any Gear Heads using them...

Bob G.

I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......

It doesn't mean there is a FRAM on the engine. Only that FRAM is a
sponsor. If there is a FRAM on the engine, I would guess it's a custom
filter made in their prototype shop; not something you can buy at
walmart.

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Ashton Crusher wrote in
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I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......

I saw one of the Nascars was sponsored by Viagra,
and had that in big letters on it too. But getting
back to Fram, I think their bad rep comes from all the VW
engines they destroyed a few years ago, then some Hondas
after that. You can google it up if you're interested. Why
take the risk when Purolator and others are basically the
same price?

"bc" wrote in message
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Ashton Crusher wrote in
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I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......

I saw one of the Nascars was sponsored by Viagra,
and had that in big letters on it too. But getting
back to Fram, I think their bad rep comes from all the VW
engines they destroyed a few years ago, then some Hondas
after that. You can google it up if you're interested. Why
take the risk when Purolator and others are basically the
same price?

Mazda, Nissian, Toyota..etc all had issues with Fram filters. I was in the
biz when the problems started happening, and of course, they got sued over
it.
Mossy-Ferguson act killed that, and to this day, all my Dodge work trucks
use Mopar filters, all my GM stuff has AC-Delco, Fords Motorcraft and so
on..
Nothing with the Fram or Allied name, UNLESS, its a subbed out build for a
OE part, hits our vehicles.
Another reason I wont buy Autolite plugs.....

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"bc" wrote in message
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Ashton Crusher wrote in
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snip
I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......

I saw one of the Nascars was sponsored by Viagra,
and had that in big letters on it too. But getting
back to Fram, I think their bad rep comes from all the VW
engines they destroyed a few years ago, then some Hondas
after that. You can google it up if you're interested. Why
take the risk when Purolator and others are basically the
same price?

Mazda, Nissian, Toyota..etc all had issues with Fram filters. I was in the
biz when the problems started happening, and of course, they got sued over
it.
Mossy-Ferguson act killed that, and to this day, all my Dodge work trucks
use Mopar filters, all my GM stuff has AC-Delco, Fords Motorcraft and so
on..
Nothing with the Fram or Allied name, UNLESS, its a subbed out build for a
OE part, hits our vehicles.
Another reason I wont buy Autolite plugs.....

Something similar with tyres? We have some indication that the branded OE
tyres on our 2002 bought brand new US built pickup have not the same quality
or amount of wear rubber as the so-called 'same brand' replacement which we
buy at a local tyre dealers! Nice big (unnecessary) white letters on the
outside of the tyres maybe but at about 20,000 miles of mainly easy highway
and around town the originals are at least two thirds worn! BTW we put
separate wheels and snow tyres on during winter.

"Terry" wrote in message
Something similar with tyres? We have some indication that the branded OE
tyres on our 2002 bought brand new US built pickup have not the same
quality or amount of wear rubber as the so-called 'same brand' replacement
which we buy at a local tyre dealers! Nice big (unnecessary) white letters
on the outside of the tyres maybe but at about 20,000 miles of mainly easy
highway and around town the originals are at least two thirds worn! BTW we
put separate wheels and snow tyres on during winter.

What was the wear rating on the tires?

We just replaced the ones on out pickup at work at 17,000 mostly local
driving. OTOH, my sedan got about 45,000 miles on the OE tires.

Terry wrote:
.....
Something similar with tyres? We have some indication that the branded OE
tyres on our 2002 bought brand new US built pickup have not the same quality
or amount of wear rubber as the so-called 'same brand' replacement which we
buy at a local tyre dealers!...

Most OEM tires are quite a bit cheaper than what most people buy as
replacements--it's simply a cost-shaving technique and they're simply
less expensive tires. About the only exception are on some
high-performance or touring sedans where they figure the potential
buyers will pay attention to such details...at least in the US, anyway.

Vic Dura wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:08:52 -0700, in alt.home.repair
Full-flow oil filters Ashton Crusher wrote:


On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:19:17 -0400, Bob G.
wrote:


On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:28:46 -0400, "arizona" wrote:


FRAM's regular oil filters have won the Consumer Reports test for as far
back as I can remember.

they do a great test of performance using the medium size particles that do
all the damage to an engine

(small particles get inside bearing & ring clearances in pairs and spin off
each other like ball bearings, do very little engine damage, and big
particles are too big to enter ring or bearing clearances and do no damage)

the FRAM filter that consistently spanks all other filters, is $2.99 at
Wal-Mart, how can you beat that?


===============

Your Kidding Right ?

I do not read consumers reports and maybe their ranking of Fram
filters is a reason why....(if they in fact did rank them high)

Fram filters enjoy a very bad reputation within the car hobby and I
honestly doubt you will find any Gear Heads using them...

Bob G.

I could have sworn I saw FRAM stenciled on the sides of racecars......


It doesn't mean there is a FRAM on the engine. Only that FRAM is a
sponsor. If there is a FRAM on the engine, I would guess it's a custom
filter made in their prototype shop; not something you can buy at
walmart.

Hi,
Any product can be made on certain spec. So you can't say Fram filter is
all bad. Fram even does some OEM job for some car manufacturers.
The bottom line is unit cost.
Tony