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Lawn Aeration vs letting the squirrels and birds do it
The local squirrels are busy searching for the last of their acorn
stash and the Robins have returned to torment the worms. I'm thinking this is enough action to keep the lawn aerated. Ted Kaz |
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wrote in message ups.com... The local squirrels are busy searching for the last of their acorn stash and the Robins have returned to torment the worms. I'm thinking this is enough action to keep the lawn aerated. Ted Kaz Why would you want to aerate the lawn anyway? I see so many posts asking about fertilizing or watering or aerating or other ways to help the grass grow faster, be greener, etc. NONE of these suggestions are frugal in any manner. Not in terms of time or money. Don't do anything to the lawn but cut it. If you try to help it grow faster, you will be cutting it more often. -Dave |
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On Mar 25, 7:55 am, "Dave" wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... The local squirrels are busy searching for the last of their acorn stash and the Robins have returned to torment the worms. I'm thinking this is enough action to keep the lawn aerated. Ted Kaz Why would you want to aerate the lawn anyway? I see so many posts asking about fertilizing or watering or aerating or other ways to help the grass grow faster, be greener, etc. NONE of these suggestions are frugal in any manner. Frugal, no. But they are accepted and effective methods of turf management that produce excellent results. If you're concerned about being frugal, don't care what your lawn looks like, and don't want to take the time, that's a personal decision. But it doesn't mean it's the answer for everyone. As for squirrels or birds aerating a lawn, it isn't going to do much. If a lawn has compacted soil or significant thatch, core aeration is the way to go. Not in terms of time or money. Don't do anything to the lawn but cut it. If you try to help it grow faster, you will be cutting it more often. -Dave |
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Lawn Aeration vs letting the squirrels and birds do it
Actually, if you live in clay-based soil, it's helpful to get water down
deeper than the surface. Dave wrote: Why would you want to aerate the lawn anyway? I see so many posts asking about fertilizing or watering or aerating or other ways to help the grass grow faster, be greener, etc. NONE of these suggestions are frugal in any manner. Not in terms of time or money. |
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"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in message ... Actually, if you live in clay-based soil, it's helpful to get water down deeper than the surface. Why? So you can mow more often? -Dave |
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Lawn Aeration vs letting the squirrels and birds do it
Dave wrote:
"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in message ... Actually, if you live in clay-based soil, it's helpful to get water down deeper than the surface. Why? So you can mow more often? -Dave Maybe it prevents it from running off, and thus saves water. I don't know that it does, but I certainly sounds like that was the implication. - Logan |
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Logan Shaw wrote:
Maybe it prevents it from running off, and thus saves water. I don't know that it does, but I certainly sounds like that was the implication. Exactamundo. When clay soil gets wet, it swells, which keeps water from getting any deeper. So you either have to do keep doing MAJOR augmentation with things to keep is less claylike, or you punch holes down deep so the water can get down lower so your grass doesn't die from just having a sprinkle of water on the top. My bermuda grass survives just fine in this clay soil with aeration to get the water going deeper. |
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Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave |
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"Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. |
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On Mar 25, 7:55 am, "Dave" wrote: wrote in message ups.com... The local squirrels are busy searching for the last of their acorn stash and the Robins have returned to torment the worms. I'm thinking this is enough action to keep the lawn aerated. Ted Kaz Why would you want to aerate the lawn anyway? I see so many posts asking about fertilizing or watering or aerating or other ways to help the grass grow faster, be greener, etc. NONE of these suggestions are frugal in any manner. Not in terms of time or money. Don't do anything to the lawn but cut it. If you try to help it grow faster, you will be cutting it more often. I don't understand why you apparently have a lawn and lawn mower - not frugal at all. For instance, in New England, the climax environment would be deciduous forest, on the great plains, it would be tall prarie grass. If you stopped cutting the grass, whatever your local climax environment is would eventually take over your lot and require no work or money at all. Maybe a lawn isn't frugal. Over the last few years, people have posted here putting the same "not frugal" label on things like owning a TV or a car, having kids, getting married, buying a house, renting an apartment, just to name a few. Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. |
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On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. TMT |
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On Mar 26, 1:34 am, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message freenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. TMT- Hide quoted text - Yeah, I'm sure all the crabgrass and bare spots from years of neglectwill look simply splendid in Sept, Oct, Nov with one application of fertilizer. It should also work real well in mid summer with no water too, right? LOL And I'm sure there's no difference between quack grass or poa trivialis and ketucky blue grass, right? If you don't control weeds and help maintain proper grass for years, one bag of fertilizer isn't gonna fix it. |
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On Mar 25, 4:44 pm, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
wrote: Logan Shaw wrote: Maybe it prevents it from running off, and thus saves water. I don't know that it does, but I certainly sounds like that was the implication. Exactamundo. When clay soil gets wet, it swells, which keeps water from getting any deeper. So you either have to do keep doing MAJOR augmentation with things to keep is less claylike, or you punch holes down deep so the water can get down lower so your grass doesn't die from just having a sprinkle of water on the top. My bermuda grass survives just fine in this clay soil with aeration to get the water going deeper. In addition to soil issues, aeration is important if a lawn has a thatch problem. Thatch is dead and slowly decaying plant parts, mostly crowns, that exists between the top of the plant roots and the surface. If it gets too thick, it becomes like a thatch roof and water won't penetrate. That leads to insufficient water and promotes disease. Aeration punches holes through it, which not only lets water in, but also aids in the bacterial breakdown of thatch. |
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On Mar 26, 5:52 am, wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure all the crabgrass and bare spots from years of neglect will look simply splendid in Sept, Oct, Nov with one application of fertilizer. It should also work real well in mid summer with no water too, right? LOL And I'm sure there's no difference between quack grass or poa trivialis and ketucky blue grass, right? If you don't control weeds and help maintain proper grass for years, one bag of fertilizer isn't gonna fix it. I dunno, if you watch HGTV, it sure looks like it's simple and inexpensive enough to tear out or till under any existing mess and install new sod and some new plants when you're ready to sell. When you factor in the costs of aeration, fertilization, overseeding, etc, just re-sodding when you're ready to sell is probably the same cost or cheaper, depending on how long you were in the house. -- Jennifer |
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On Mar 26, 8:43 am, "Buderschnookie" wrote:
HGTV is a great entertainment channel- I spend lots of time there. But I spend lots of time fooling around in the yard and on home projects and do know this- they can condense two weeks of backbreaking labor performed by a team of professionals into one 30 minute "fun weekend project" completed by a homeowner and a host. And they regularly underestimate the cost of projects- leaving out the purchase of necessary tools, and all those trips back and forth because you bought the wrong thing to start with. I should have been more clear... I wasn't talking about their "Weekend Warriors" type stuff, more like Flip This/That House, Designed to Sell, all that. My impression is that hiring pros to put down fresh sod for an average size suburban yard is in the $2,000 ballpark and takes a day or two. True/false, anyone? -- Jennifer |
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"Jennifer" wrote in message I dunno, if you watch HGTV, it sure looks like it's simple and inexpensive enough to tear out or till under any existing mess and install new sod and some new plants when you're ready to sell. HGTV is a great entertainment channel- I spend lots of time there. But I spend lots of time fooling around in the yard and on home projects and do know this- they can condense two weeks of backbreaking labor performed by a team of professionals into one 30 minute "fun weekend project" completed by a homeowner and a host. And they regularly underestimate the cost of projects- leaving out the purchase of necessary tools, and all those trips back and forth because you bought the wrong thing to start with. Lawns are like anything else in this world- it is easier to *keep* them in shape than to *get* them in shape. NOTHING is simple. |
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"Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... "Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply" wrote in message ... Actually, if you live in clay-based soil, it's helpful to get water down deeper than the surface. Why? So you can mow more often? -Dave Deep infrequent watering encourages roots to grow down in search of water instead of up towards the surface. In times of dry conditions the grass with healthier and deeper roots will survive better and longer with less water. Less water for a better looking lawn. Not that I endorse huge expanses of lawn as a good portion of mine has been planted. But what grass is left sets everything off beautifully and is quite easy to care for. |
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On Mar 25, 11:34 pm, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message freenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Or as I saw on an episode of Flip That (or was it This?) House they spray-painted the brown lawn green. |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. Around IL, doing nothing i.e. no water resulted in burnt yellow lawns some summers a real downer if you need to sell. Short term doing nothing is frugal, long term controling the weeds and some watering does keep up the $$$ value IMHO Ted Kaz TMT |
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On Mar 26, 6:52 am, wrote:
On Mar 26, 1:34 am, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message freenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. TMT- Hide quoted text - Yeah, I'm sure all the crabgrass and bare spots from years of neglectwill look simply splendid in Sept, Oct, Nov with one application of fertilizer. It should also work real well in mid summer with no water too, right? LOL And I'm sure there's no difference between quack grass or poa trivialis and ketucky blue grass, right? If you don't control weeds and help maintain proper grass for years, one bag of fertilizer isn't gonna fix it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Have you tried it? I have...it works. A healthy lawn maintains itself. For aeration a healthy lawn has earthworms...no further aeration needed. I too once was a Lawn Nazi thinking I had to put chemicals and fertilizers on to keep up with the Jones not to mention the time involved. When you dump the chemicals and fertilizers on, you drive the worms and good microbes away, cause an environment conductive to fungi and disease and risk higher personal disease risks from the chemicals. If you have a good lawn in place (and you should have made sure you did before buying the house), the lawn will take care of itself....its a balanced ecosystem. The only one who doesn't like it are the companies that don't get your money for lawn products and services. And surprise...it's frugal in terms of time and money. TMT |
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"Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave You've missed the point - the ONLY reason your lawn stays a lawn is because you cut it. Cutting inhibits weeds, trees, shrubs, vines, etc., but because of the way it grows, cutting doesn't bother the grass. Look at any vacant lot in your area - whatever's growing there, it probably isn't a lawn. |
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On Mar 26, 6:31 pm, "Lou" wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message reenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave You've missed the point - the ONLY reason your lawn stays a lawn is because you cut it. Cutting inhibits weeds, trees, shrubs, vines, etc., but because of the way it grows, cutting doesn't bother the grass. Look at any vacant lot in your area - whatever's growing there, it probably isn't a lawn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - True but the average homeowner mows their lawn far too often. The longer the time between mowings (within reason), the better the lawn. TMT |
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On Mar 26, 10:25 am, "Jennifer" wrote:
On Mar 26, 8:43 am, "Buderschnookie" wrote: HGTV is a great entertainment channel- I spend lots of time there. But I spend lots of time fooling around in the yard and on home projects and do know this- they can condense two weeks of backbreaking labor performed by a team of professionals into one 30 minute "fun weekend project" completed by a homeowner and a host. And they regularly underestimate the cost of projects- leaving out the purchase of necessary tools, and all those trips back and forth because you bought the wrong thing to start with. I should have been more clear... I wasn't talking about their "Weekend Warriors" type stuff, more like Flip This/That House, Designed to Sell, all that. My impression is that hiring pros to put down fresh sod for an average size suburban yard is in the $2,000 ballpark and takes a day or two. True/false, anyone? -- Jennifer Seems like that's a lot more than the suggested one time bag of fertilizer that's supposed to make everything look nice right before you sell. The cost of sod installation will vary widely depending on the location, site prep work needed, layout, etc. Range could be 25-50 cents a sq ft. But most people care about what the place looks like when they live there too, not just when they are leaving. |
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"The Henchman" wrote in message . .. Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. So let the lawn go to seed and when you find out that the neighbor is going to put his house on the market, suggest to him that he replace your lawn to make his house look so much better. Also if the property values go way up the tax collector will be nosing his way into picking your pocket, in effect penalizing you for all of the time you sweat and toiled to have the perfect turf. -- Roger Shoaf If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent. |
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On Mar 26, 4:00 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:52 am, wrote: On Mar 26, 1:34 am, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: On Mar 25, 4:28 pm, "The Henchman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message freenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood People who don't take care of their lawns are burning money on their biggest tangible asset if they own. If you are over the age of 50 your biggest assest should be your retirement portfolio which means your house (mortgage free) will be your second biggest asset and much more important to your financial health. People over the age of 50 get more exspensive health issues and you shouldn't borrow against your retirment portfolio to pay for house so borrow against your house if the need arises. Wouldn't it be nice to borrow against your house if it were worth more?? Take care of the lawn, take care of your assests and get some exercise!!! Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. Not to mention the increase in property value your home will have. A well taken care of flower garden and manicured lawn will add about 30 to $50 000 to your asking price on a house in my neighborhood You are full of it Mr. Lawn Nazi. A green lawn does not add 30-50K to the value of your house. The assessed value of your home doesn't even take into account if you have a lawn. The ONLY time a green lawn matters is when the "For Sale" is on the front lawn...and that can be arranged with a one time application of fertilizer. TMT- Hide quoted text - Yeah, I'm sure all the crabgrass and bare spots from years of neglectwill look simply splendid in Sept, Oct, Nov with one application of fertilizer. It should also work real well in mid summer with no water too, right? LOL And I'm sure there's no difference between quack grass or poa trivialis and ketucky blue grass, right? If you don't control weeds and help maintain proper grass for years, one bag of fertilizer isn't gonna fix it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Have you tried it? Have I tried putting a bag on ferilizer on a lawn with years of neglect, thinking it will make it look real swell just before I sell my house? No, because I prefer to have a nice green lawn while I'm living here. And I know that' one bag of fertilizer isn't going to solve anything. If I want to see what the neglect system of lawn care looks like, a simple drive through the neighborhood will do. The lawns that don't receive any regular fertilizer, weed control, or even start with proper grass all look like crap. I have...it works. A healthy lawn maintains itself. For aeration a healthy lawn has earthworms...no further aeration needed. And who said the person asking the question has a healthy lawn? The above statement is like saying no need to mow a lawn that is already cut. Did you examine it to determine that it doesn't have a thatch problem or compacted soil? And isn;'t it a bit strange that if aeration is a waste, that it's routinely done by turf professionals that manage golf courses, athletic fields, parks, etc? I too once was a Lawn Nazi thinking I had to put chemicals and fertilizers on to keep up with the Jones not to mention the time involved. When you dump the chemicals and fertilizers on, you drive the worms and good microbes away, cause an environment conductive to fungi and disease and risk higher personal disease risks from the chemicals. If you have a good lawn in place (and you should have made sure you did before buying the house), Now this is a hoot! If all it takes is a bag of fertilizer a month before selling a house to make a lawn look nice what's the big deal? The condition of the lawn is my last concern. In fact, I'd rather buy one from someone that has a neglected one because that way the property usually has fewer and lower bids due to the lack of curb appeal. And if all it takes is benign neglect to make a lawn look great, as you say, then just do nothing and before long the lawn will look fantastic, so who would care what it looks like when they buy it? the lawn will take care of itself....its a balanced ecosystem. The only one who doesn't like it are the companies that don't get your money for lawn products and services. And surprise...it's frugal in terms of time and money. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - See, not everyone is so worried about being "frugal". The term didn;t even enter this thread until you brought it up. Just because you want to be cheap, pinch pennies and delude yourself, doesn't mean everyone else has the same priorities. I like to go out for a nice dinner at top NYC restaurant. That can cost $250 Is that OK with you, or do I have to only eat at home or brown bag it? BTW, the cost of that meal is more than what I spend for fertilizer, weed control, liming, aeration etc. for a season on a 15,000 sq ft lawn. Anyone considering your advice concerning lawn care should make sure to read your statement above, "Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday." It speaks volumes about your tastes and what your advice will produce. |
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"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message ... "The Henchman" wrote in message . .. Not to mention the city and your neighbors will raise complaints if you don't take care of your lawn. Your brown lawn will cost you money on your property values and affect your next door neighbor's property value and will affect the amount the city can charge you on property tax if they follow the market assessment way of taxation. So let the lawn go to seed and when you find out that the neighbor is going to put his house on the market, suggest to him that he replace your lawn to make his house look so much better. Also if the property values go way up the tax collector will be nosing his way into picking your pocket, in effect penalizing you for all of the time you sweat and toiled to have the perfect turf. Property tax rates are reassessed in my municipality every 3 or 4 years now. That is NOT an increase or decrease in the rate but rather the assessed value of your property. Property taxes are a percentage of the assessed value. In my city for a single family residence it's 0.972379% of your assessed value. If your home and property value goes up your property tax in my city only gets 0.972379 of that increased value the next assessment. That's how it works in my city anyways... So if my home went up $11 000 cause of my immaculate turf the city is only going to get approx $110 and I keep approx $10890. And in Canada the of a private residence is tax free. The sale of an income generating property is subject to capital gains taxes, about 8.5% to 15% of the actual gain and not the final selling price abd that goes to the federal government not the city people. I live in a suburb on the edge of a 5 million person city. Detached two-storey homes here in my subdivision run about $480 to $550K. My house has a 48' x 160 foot lot. Most of my neighbours only have 36' or 40' wide lots. The other side of the street has 50' and 60' wide lots but are only 150' deep and they command 700K and more. Furthermore Excerisise is important, and laziness causes health problems. Take care of your lawn for a healthy life if that the least you do. |
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On Mar 26, 8:23 pm, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote:
On Mar 26, 6:31 pm, "Lou" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message freenews.net... Nonetheless, some people persist in these behaviors, and it's not unreasonable for them to seek advice on the most cost-effective way of going about them. Which is exactly why I say don't do anything to your lawn but cut it. Grass doesn't "DIE". If it's not as healthy as it could be, it kind of hibernates for a while (turns brown, doesn't grow as fast). Give me a brown lawn over a green one anyday. I have better things to do with my time than mow the damned lawn, and I don't really care to spend so much money on fuel to power the lawn tractor. The most un-frugal thing you can do to a lawn is ANYTHING to help it be more healthy, such as watering, aerating, fertilizing, tc. -Dave You've missed the point - the ONLY reason your lawn stays a lawn is because you cut it. Cutting inhibits weeds, trees, shrubs, vines, etc., but because of the way it grows, cutting doesn't bother the grass. Look at any vacant lot in your area - whatever's growing there, it probably isn't a lawn.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - True but the average homeowner mows their lawn far too often. The longer the time between mowings (within reason), the better the lawn. TMT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - More advice that is at odds with accepted turf management practices. The accpeted practice is: 1 - Cut the grass so that you remove no more than 1/3 of the blade at each cutting 2 - Cut it at the appropriate height for the type of grass you have. If you let it go as long as possible between cuttings, you aren't doing either. And then you have excessive clippings, which are a problem whether you bag or leave them, the grass winds up looking rough, etc. |
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On Apr 2, 12:39 pm, "C. dog e. doG" wrote:
Hey Traitor Joe - Before you start railing against someone for mentioning frugal means of doing something, check out the title of this web-group - The original post asking about lawn aeration was addressed to misc.consumer.house as well as your frugal-living newgroup. I saw it in misc.cosumer.house and there was no mention of being concerned about cost. Plus, lawn aeration is very cost effective for those that want a nice lawn. "misc.consumers.frugal-living". So now that we know you are a moron, let's undress your tidy little yard in public: 1. No fertilizer = years of neglect. You assume grass won't grow without the stuff. Grass grows fine on mine and I never fertilize it. Sounds like someone hasn't yet figured out how advertising works - by appealing to the moronic side of one's brain (yours is certainly functioning What I said was that contrary to what was suggested, there's nothing wrong with core aeration as part of lawn maintenance and one bag of fertilizer isn't going to make a lawn that has been neglected for years look good just prior to sale. Plus, why would you even need the suggested bag of fertilizer just prior to sale if a lawn looks so great without any fertilizer at all? 2. Homogeneous lawn = best lawn. Yawn .... Boring! When I walk (not drive like you, you lazy fat ass) around my neighborhood, the best looking lawns are ones with violets, bluets, moss, and other cool stuff growing in them. Well, now that explains a lot. The above is not the accepted definition of a lawn. So, before you spout off about how you've "maintained" a "lawn" for years without fertilizer or anything else you should start by telling people that what you really mean is you have an area allowed to revert to nature, not a lawn. I know the mechanistic lawn Krauts prefer domination and monoculture to this dizzying array of plant life, but just ask any kid which lawn they prefer who hasn't been subjected to years of Scott's brainwashing about what a proper lawn should look like. Is that where you look to advice as to what looks good? A child? LOL Do you ask them what kind of suit to buy too? Or what color to paint your house? Or where to go to eat? Maybe you do, because a typical child would know the definition of a "lawn". I bet you also think all women should be big breasted blondes. I, on the other hand, enjoy the varied landscape of women. And you also like your rainbows one color. Dare I say, Green? Again, the more colors, the merrier for me. That's entirely up to you. But again, if you like a lawn with wild grasses, wild plants and weeds, then make that clear before you tell people they don't need to do anything to a "lawn" to make it look good. 3. Chem Lawn = a good lawn. Sure, if you own stock in it. But me, I prefer Irish spring lawn, where the grass is not poisoness, ground water is safe to drink, worms and such squirm and wriggle in ecstasy, and kids play ball using the usual array of arms, legs, and heads. 4. Unhealthy lawn = needs industrial regimen of fertilizer, herbicides, mechanical aeration, etc. Or, you could just add some loam, some seed mix that does well in the particular climate, and watch it grow. I bet you're the kind of guy that goes to Arizona and expects Kentucky blue grass. No, I'm just the kind of guy that knows when people say "lawn" and talk about accepted methods of making one look good, what they mean isn't a wild weed patch. 5. Professional = best method. They're just regular saints, aren't they, selflessly caring for grass across our fruity plain with no thought to compensation. No, it isn't surprising how "professionals" go about "caring" for lawns. Follow the money, moron. The more they "care" for a lawn, the more money they get. They have to aerate soil because they kill off the natural aerators with their chemical soup applications. Ditto for the "thatch problem". And, they "have" to apply herbicides because "proper" lawns have only one grass. (We also must get rid of the Jews because proper Germany has only one race ... oops, I sidetracked Pay attention. I never once suggested anyone had to have a professional lawn service. And your comparison of lawn care pros to Nazi Germany is offensive to anyone with any decency, but it shows where you're coming from. And apparently you're a real kook that has a problem with the basics of the capitist economic system. I bet you curse the local food market and the car dealer, when you take your yugo in for a tune up, don't you? 6. Traitor Joe = worker for Chem Lawn or Scotts, or just some lackey miscreant? Again, I never suggested anyone needed those or any other lawn maintenance service. Nor do I work for any lawn care company. Hey Traitor Joe, eat a monster size slab of prime rib with an extra ladling of gravy the next time you're in NYC for me ... please. - C. dog e. doG Sorry, I don't care much for prime rib. I prefer Jean Georges or Bouley. |
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Jungle Jim wrote:
Aeration it is not. I aaerate my lawn - at first I had a lawn service do it, but now a group of neighbors get together every other fall and go rent one of these monster machines, help each other and it only costs us about $25 to do the job. We have done it both in the Fall and in the spring, and of the two, fall seems to give the best results. Thius is when the services do it. Maximumeffect comes when you feed with a slow release root stimulating fertilizer AFTER the aeration. Here in southwest Ohio, we usually try to get the job done by mid October. This will give the fall rains a chance to get down into the aeration holes and get the fertilizer into solution. I cannot say enough nice things about core aeration. I have one of those star wheel type aerators that you drag behind the lawn tractor but frankly, it didn't do very much for the yard. I had terrible drainage.... the lawn would still be squishy three days after a heavy rain and moss was starting to grow in the lawn. A couple of weeks ago I had a lawn service come out with their core aerator and do the lawn properly. It rained all day one day last week and the grass was dry enough to cut the next day... no squish, no standing water. I was amazed. Considering what I paid the fellow, I'll be looking at renting a machine myself in the fall to do it again. I'm curious to see what's going to happen to the moss now that the drainage appears to be corrected. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com |
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On Apr 2, 4:42 pm, wrote:
On Apr 2, 12:39 pm, "C. dog e. doG" wrote: Hey Traitor Joe - Before you start railing against someone for mentioning frugal means of doing something, check out the title of this web-group - The original post asking about lawn aeration was addressed to misc.consumer.house as well as your frugal-living newgroup. I saw it in misc.cosumer.house and there was no mention of being concerned about cost. Plus, lawn aeration is very cost effective for those that want a nice lawn. "misc.consumers.frugal-living". So now that we know you are a moron, let's undress your tidy little yard in public: 1. No fertilizer = years of neglect. You assume grass won't grow without the stuff. Grass grows fine on mine and I never fertilize it. Sounds like someone hasn't yet figured out how advertising works - by appealing to the moronic side of one's brain (yours is certainly functioning What I said was that contrary to what was suggested, there's nothing wrong with core aeration as part of lawn maintenance and one bag of fertilizer isn't going to make a lawn that has been neglected for years look good just prior to sale. Plus, why would you even need the suggested bag of fertilizer just prior to sale if a lawn looks so great without any fertilizer at all? 2. Homogeneous lawn = best lawn. Yawn .... Boring! When I walk (not drive like you, you lazy fat ass) around my neighborhood, the best looking lawns are ones with violets, bluets, moss, and other cool stuff growing in them. Well, now that explains a lot. The above is not the accepted definition of a lawn. So, before you spout off about how you've "maintained" a "lawn" for years without fertilizer or anything else you should start by telling people that what you really mean is you have an area allowed to revert to nature, not a lawn. I know the mechanistic lawn Krauts prefer domination and monoculture to this dizzying array of plant life, but just ask any kid which lawn they prefer who hasn't been subjected to years of Scott's brainwashing about what a proper lawn should look like. Is that where you look to advice as to what looks good? A child? LOL Do you ask them what kind of suit to buy too? Or what color to paint your house? Or where to go to eat? Maybe you do, because a typical child would know the definition of a "lawn". I bet you also think all women should be big breasted blondes. I, on the other hand, enjoy the varied landscape of women. And you also like your rainbows one color. Dare I say, Green? Again, the more colors, the merrier for me. That's entirely up to you. But again, if you like a lawn with wild grasses, wild plants and weeds, then make that clear before you tell people they don't need to do anything to a "lawn" to make it look good. 3. Chem Lawn = a good lawn. Sure, if you own stock in it. But me, I prefer Irish spring lawn, where the grass is not poisoness, ground water is safe to drink, worms and such squirm and wriggle in ecstasy, and kids play ball using the usual array of arms, legs, and heads. 4. Unhealthy lawn = needs industrial regimen of fertilizer, herbicides, mechanical aeration, etc. Or, you could just add some loam, some seed mix that does well in the particular climate, and watch it grow. I bet you're the kind of guy that goes to Arizona and expects Kentucky blue grass. No, I'm just the kind of guy that knows when people say "lawn" and talk about accepted methods of making one look good, what they mean isn't a wild weed patch. 5. Professional = best method. They're just regular saints, aren't they, selflessly caring for grass across our fruity plain with no thought to compensation. No, it isn't surprising how "professionals" go about "caring" for lawns. Follow the money, moron. The more they "care" for a lawn, the more money they get. They have to aerate soil because they kill off the natural aerators with their chemical soup applications. Ditto for the "thatch problem". And, they "have" to apply herbicides because "proper" lawns have only one grass. (We also must get rid of the Jews because proper Germany has only one race ... oops, I sidetracked Pay attention. I never once suggested anyone had to have a professional lawn service. And your comparison of lawn care pros to Nazi Germany is offensive to anyone with any decency, but it shows where you're coming from. And apparently you're a real kook that has a problem with the basics of the capitist economic system. I bet you curse the local food market and the car dealer, when you take your yugo in for a tune up, don't you? 6. Traitor Joe = worker for Chem Lawn or Scotts, or just some lackey miscreant? Again, I never suggested anyone needed those or any other lawn maintenance service. Nor do I work for any lawn care company. Hey Traitor Joe, eat a monster size slab of prime rib with an extra ladling of gravy the next time you're in NYC for me ... please. - C. dog e. doG Sorry, I don't care much for prime rib. I prefer Jean Georges or Bouley. O.K. Traitor Joe - I can't do anything about your monotheistic lawn culture. Some sheep have strayed just too far off the pasture and aren't worth saving. You have obviously been steeped for years in thinking single-species grass lawns are somehow the tortured icon of beauty. (Poor wife:-( ) And we all know, you can't change someone's religion if they drink the Cool-aid, no matter the facts. So enjoy your white picket fence, your Bouley Bouley, your Piscapo, your monochromatic rainbows, and your fickle fescue lawn. Oops, did I peg you wrong, and you're a Kentucky bluegrass kind of guy? And Traitor Joe, you think I'm the nutty one... For the rest of us - Go boldly forth where no lawn Nazi dare venture, and add beauty, dare I say "diversity", to our "lawns." There's a book for us that shows a way, "The Wild Lawn Handbook", and there are others. Have we the temerity, nay, the courage, to break the shackles of our tortured, austere upbringing to see at least a part of the world as we once did when flowers that don't look plastic and planted in severe grid patterns in a mulch bed were actually considered attractive? Not only do I not toil hours trying to rid my "lawn" of attractive flowers, I actually try to encourage their presence. Kids love them, and so do adults who don't ride around in their Oldsmobiles, wearing khakis too tight around their expanding waistlines, denigrating lawns that don't look like astroturf and cursing their lawn masters. Don't believe Traitor Joe's tortured lawn logic. "Natural" lawns need not be unkempt weed patches as Traitor Joe insinuates. And you can mow such an attractive lawn just like an astro-lawn. So, let's take back our yards, open the floodgates to native plant species, and drive the Lawn Nazis underground, preferably back to the Fatherland. Live free, or die following Traitor Joe's crazy lawn sermon. - C. dog e. doG |
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On Apr 6, 10:01 am, "C. dog e. doG" wrote:
On Apr 2, 4:42 pm, wrote: On Apr 2, 12:39 pm, "C. dog e. doG" wrote: Hey Traitor Joe - Before you start railing against someone for mentioning frugal means of doing something, check out the title of this web-group - The original post asking about lawn aeration was addressed to misc.consumer.house as well as your frugal-living newgroup. I saw it in misc.cosumer.house and there was no mention of being concerned about cost. Plus, lawn aeration is very cost effective for those that want a nice lawn. "misc.consumers.frugal-living". So now that we know you are a moron, let's undress your tidy little yard in public: 1. No fertilizer = years of neglect. You assume grass won't grow without the stuff. Grass grows fine on mine and I never fertilize it. Sounds like someone hasn't yet figured out how advertising works - by appealing to the moronic side of one's brain (yours is certainly functioning What I said was that contrary to what was suggested, there's nothing wrong with core aeration as part of lawn maintenance and one bag of fertilizer isn't going to make a lawn that has been neglected for years look good just prior to sale. Plus, why would you even need the suggested bag of fertilizer just prior to sale if a lawn looks so great without any fertilizer at all? 2. Homogeneous lawn = best lawn. Yawn .... Boring! When I walk (not drive like you, you lazy fat ass) around my neighborhood, the best looking lawns are ones with violets, bluets, moss, and other cool stuff growing in them. Well, now that explains a lot. The above is not the accepted definition of a lawn. So, before you spout off about how you've "maintained" a "lawn" for years without fertilizer or anything else you should start by telling people that what you really mean is you have an area allowed to revert to nature, not a lawn. I know the mechanistic lawn Krauts prefer domination and monoculture to this dizzying array of plant life, but just ask any kid which lawn they prefer who hasn't been subjected to years of Scott's brainwashing about what a proper lawn should look like. Is that where you look to advice as to what looks good? A child? LOL Do you ask them what kind of suit to buy too? Or what color to paint your house? Or where to go to eat? Maybe you do, because a typical child would know the definition of a "lawn". I bet you also think all women should be big breasted blondes. I, on the other hand, enjoy the varied landscape of women. And you also like your rainbows one color. Dare I say, Green? Again, the more colors, the merrier for me. That's entirely up to you. But again, if you like a lawn with wild grasses, wild plants and weeds, then make that clear before you tell people they don't need to do anything to a "lawn" to make it look good. 3. Chem Lawn = a good lawn. Sure, if you own stock in it. But me, I prefer Irish spring lawn, where the grass is not poisoness, ground water is safe to drink, worms and such squirm and wriggle in ecstasy, and kids play ball using the usual array of arms, legs, and heads. 4. Unhealthy lawn = needs industrial regimen of fertilizer, herbicides, mechanical aeration, etc. Or, you could just add some loam, some seed mix that does well in the particular climate, and watch it grow. I bet you're the kind of guy that goes to Arizona and expects Kentucky blue grass. No, I'm just the kind of guy that knows when people say "lawn" and talk about accepted methods of making one look good, what they mean isn't a wild weed patch. 5. Professional = best method. They're just regular saints, aren't they, selflessly caring for grass across our fruity plain with no thought to compensation. No, it isn't surprising how "professionals" go about "caring" for lawns. Follow the money, moron. The more they "care" for a lawn, the more money they get. They have to aerate soil because they kill off the natural aerators with their chemical soup applications. Ditto for the "thatch problem". And, they "have" to apply herbicides because "proper" lawns have only one grass. (We also must get rid of the Jews because proper Germany has only one race ... oops, I sidetracked Pay attention. I never once suggested anyone had to have a professional lawn service. And your comparison of lawn care pros to Nazi Germany is offensive to anyone with any decency, but it shows where you're coming from. And apparently you're a real kook that has a problem with the basics of the capitist economic system. I bet you curse the local food market and the car dealer, when you take your yugo in for a tune up, don't you? 6. Traitor Joe = worker for Chem Lawn or Scotts, or just some lackey miscreant? Again, I never suggested anyone needed those or any other lawn maintenance service. Nor do I work for any lawn care company. Hey Traitor Joe, eat a monster size slab of prime rib with an extra ladling of gravy the next time you're in NYC for me ... please. - C. dog e. doG Sorry, I don't care much for prime rib. I prefer Jean Georges or Bouley. O.K. Traitor Joe - I can't do anything about your monotheistic lawn culture. Some sheep have strayed just too far off the pasture and aren't worth saving. You have obviously been steeped for years in thinking single-species grass lawns are somehow the tortured icon of beauty. (Poor wife:-( ) And we all know, you can't change someone's religion if they drink the Cool-aid, no matter the facts. So enjoy your white picket fence, your Bouley Bouley, your Piscapo, your monochromatic rainbows, and your fickle fescue lawn. Oops, did I peg you wrong, and you're a Kentucky bluegrass kind of guy? And Traitor Joe, you think I'm the nutty one... For the rest of us - Go boldly forth where no lawn Nazi dare venture, and add beauty, dare I say "diversity", to our "lawns." There's a book for us that shows a way, "The Wild Lawn Handbook", and there are others. Have we the temerity, nay, the courage, to break the shackles of our tortured, austere upbringing to see at least a part of the world as we once did when flowers that don't look plastic and planted in severe grid patterns in a mulch bed were actually considered attractive? Not only do I not toil hours trying to rid my "lawn" of attractive flowers, I actually try to encourage their presence. Kids love them, and so do adults who don't ride around in their Oldsmobiles, wearing khakis too tight around their expanding waistlines, denigrating lawns that don't look like astroturf and cursing their lawn masters. Don't believe Traitor Joe's tortured lawn logic. "Natural" lawns need not be unkempt weed patches as Traitor Joe insinuates. And you can mow such an attractive lawn just like an astro-lawn. So, let's take back our yards, open the floodgates to native plant species, and drive the Lawn Nazis underground, preferably back to the Fatherland. Live free, or die following Traitor Joe's crazy lawn sermon. - C. dog e. doG- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You pegged Traitor Joe accurately...LOL He's likely out on "Lawn Patrol" right now making sure the neighbors toe the line...life is rough for a Lawn Nazi. I bet he votes Republican too. LOL TMT |
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Lawn Aeration vs letting the squirrels and birds do it
On Apr 6, 11:01 am, "C. dog e. doG" wrote:
On Apr 2, 4:42 pm, wrote: On Apr 2, 12:39 pm, "C. dog e. doG" wrote: Hey Traitor Joe - Before you start railing against someone for mentioning frugal means of doing something, check out the title of this web-group - The original post asking about lawn aeration was addressed to misc.consumer.house as well as your frugal-living newgroup. I saw it in misc.cosumer.house and there was no mention of being concerned about cost. Plus, lawn aeration is very cost effective for those that want a nice lawn. "misc.consumers.frugal-living". So now that we know you are a moron, let's undress your tidy little yard in public: 1. No fertilizer = years of neglect. You assume grass won't grow without the stuff. Grass grows fine on mine and I never fertilize it. Sounds like someone hasn't yet figured out how advertising works - by appealing to the moronic side of one's brain (yours is certainly functioning What I said was that contrary to what was suggested, there's nothing wrong with core aeration as part of lawn maintenance and one bag of fertilizer isn't going to make a lawn that has been neglected for years look good just prior to sale. Plus, why would you even need the suggested bag of fertilizer just prior to sale if a lawn looks so great without any fertilizer at all? 2. Homogeneous lawn = best lawn. Yawn .... Boring! When I walk (not drive like you, you lazy fat ass) around my neighborhood, the best looking lawns are ones with violets, bluets, moss, and other cool stuff growing in them. Well, now that explains a lot. The above is not the accepted definition of a lawn. So, before you spout off about how you've "maintained" a "lawn" for years without fertilizer or anything else you should start by telling people that what you really mean is you have an area allowed to revert to nature, not a lawn. I know the mechanistic lawn Krauts prefer domination and monoculture to this dizzying array of plant life, but just ask any kid which lawn they prefer who hasn't been subjected to years of Scott's brainwashing about what a proper lawn should look like. Is that where you look to advice as to what looks good? A child? LOL Do you ask them what kind of suit to buy too? Or what color to paint your house? Or where to go to eat? Maybe you do, because a typical child would know the definition of a "lawn". I bet you also think all women should be big breasted blondes. I, on the other hand, enjoy the varied landscape of women. And you also like your rainbows one color. Dare I say, Green? Again, the more colors, the merrier for me. That's entirely up to you. But again, if you like a lawn with wild grasses, wild plants and weeds, then make that clear before you tell people they don't need to do anything to a "lawn" to make it look good. 3. Chem Lawn = a good lawn. Sure, if you own stock in it. But me, I prefer Irish spring lawn, where the grass is not poisoness, ground water is safe to drink, worms and such squirm and wriggle in ecstasy, and kids play ball using the usual array of arms, legs, and heads. 4. Unhealthy lawn = needs industrial regimen of fertilizer, herbicides, mechanical aeration, etc. Or, you could just add some loam, some seed mix that does well in the particular climate, and watch it grow. I bet you're the kind of guy that goes to Arizona and expects Kentucky blue grass. No, I'm just the kind of guy that knows when people say "lawn" and talk about accepted methods of making one look good, what they mean isn't a wild weed patch. 5. Professional = best method. They're just regular saints, aren't they, selflessly caring for grass across our fruity plain with no thought to compensation. No, it isn't surprising how "professionals" go about "caring" for lawns. Follow the money, moron. The more they "care" for a lawn, the more money they get. They have to aerate soil because they kill off the natural aerators with their chemical soup applications. Ditto for the "thatch problem". And, they "have" to apply herbicides because "proper" lawns have only one grass. (We also must get rid of the Jews because proper Germany has only one race ... oops, I sidetracked Pay attention. I never once suggested anyone had to have a professional lawn service. And your comparison of lawn care pros to Nazi Germany is offensive to anyone with any decency, but it shows where you're coming from. And apparently you're a real kook that has a problem with the basics of the capitist economic system. I bet you curse the local food market and the car dealer, when you take your yugo in for a tune up, don't you? 6. Traitor Joe = worker for Chem Lawn or Scotts, or just some lackey miscreant? Again, I never suggested anyone needed those or any other lawn maintenance service. Nor do I work for any lawn care company. Hey Traitor Joe, eat a monster size slab of prime rib with an extra ladling of gravy the next time you're in NYC for me ... please. - C. dog e. doG Sorry, I don't care much for prime rib. I prefer Jean Georges or Bouley. O.K. Traitor Joe - I can't do anything about your monotheistic lawn culture. Some sheep have strayed just too far off the pasture and aren't worth saving. You have obviously been steeped for years in thinking single-species grass lawns are somehow the tortured icon of beauty. (Poor wife:-( ) And we all know, you can't change someone's religion if they drink the Cool-aid, no matter the facts. So enjoy your white picket fence, your Bouley Bouley, your Piscapo, your monochromatic rainbows, and your fickle fescue lawn. Oops, did I peg you wrong, and you're a Kentucky bluegrass kind of guy? And Traitor Joe, you think I'm the nutty one... For the rest of us - Go boldly forth where no lawn Nazi dare venture, and add beauty, dare I say "diversity", to our "lawns." There's a book for us that shows a way, "The Wild Lawn Handbook", and there are others. Have we the temerity, nay, the courage, to break the shackles of our tortured, austere upbringing to see at least a part of the world as we once did when flowers that don't look plastic and planted in severe grid patterns in a mulch bed were actually considered attractive? Not only do I not toil hours trying to rid my "lawn" of attractive flowers, I actually try to encourage their presence. Kids love them, and so do adults who don't ride around in their Oldsmobiles, wearing khakis too tight around their expanding waistlines, denigrating lawns that don't look like astroturf and cursing their lawn masters. Don't believe Traitor Joe's tortured lawn logic. "Natural" lawns need not be unkempt weed patches as Traitor Joe insinuates. And you can mow such an attractive lawn just like an astro-lawn. So, let's take back our yards, open the floodgates to native plant species, and drive the Lawn Nazis underground, preferably back to the Fatherland. Live free, or die following Traitor Joe's crazy lawn sermon. - C. dog e. doG- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - LOL, and this clown says I"m the crazy one? Even more bizarre is his obsession with Nazis. Which is especially funny, given that he's the one insisting that everyone must accept his idea of a front yard allowed to revert to the wild and that the rest of us can't have a green, uniform lawn, which, last time I checked, is what 90+% of folks want. And as I've said, anyone can do what they want with their front yard. It's up to them, within the constraints of any ordinances or HOA rules. But don't go around telling people what to do to "maintain" their "lawn", unless you make it clear that what you are talking about is a natural space or that you prefer looking at brown, rather than green, because that doesn't fit what most folks have in mind when they ask for lawn advice. |
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