Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.
2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.
3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.
4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

Thanks!

"Kim" wrote in message
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Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.

Every house settles. It is a matter of degree.

1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.

That is a fairly high degree and you may want it checked out. Can you
measure the tilt? Will it roll a marble?


2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.

Some is normal as the house expands and contracts with the heat, cooking,
sun load, heaer burner warming hte chimney. Not having first hand knowledge
I can't say what you see it normal.


Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

If the floors are tilting, yes. Some cracking of the drywall is normal, but
most should have taken place years ago. If this is new, it is a concern.

Are you in an area that is gettintg a high degree of rainfall this year?

"Kim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.
2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.
3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.
4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

Thanks!

On 26 Oct 2005 08:21:24 -0700, "Kim" wrote:

Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.
2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.
3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.
4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

I would say yes, if you plan to be in the house for any number
of years. Look at the expense spread out, annualized, and it's a lot
less than finding out 10 years ago that there's something that could
have been dealt with easily ealier, but not any more.

Look especially at drainage, ventilation of crawl space, areas
of moisture entry ( that long crack , etc ).

IMO, if the settingly is enough that you can notice 'tilting
that wasn't there before', that's pretty signifigant.

Especially now, when you may still have recourse gainst the
seller if there's a problem. 10 years from now you won't.







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Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel
the uneven of it.

"Kim" writes:

Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.

That sort of settling evidence is worrisome and should be evaluated.

2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.

Cracking sounds as the attic heats up are not unusual in my
experience. But then again, I could be a leming just ignoring them.

3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.

Corner hairline cracks happen fairly routinely.

4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

?

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

I might cal your inspector back and ask him these questions. He
might be willing to come back and have a nother look cheaper than
anyone else because he's somewhat invested in it with his name on the
inspection report. A 2nd opinion at that point might give additional
assurance. And assurance is worth the money spent--it's no fun to
live in a place you think might fall down.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

No, I live at RTP, NC. As a matter of fact, it is kind of dry this year.

On 26 Oct 2005 10:41:40 -0500, (Todd H.) wrote:

"Kim" writes:

Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.

That sort of settling evidence is worrisome and should be evaluated.

2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.

Cracking sounds as the attic heats up are not unusual in my
experience. But then again, I could be a leming just ignoring them.

Ummm... wouldn't that be an ostrich ??? :-)


3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.

Corner hairline cracks happen fairly routinely.

4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

?

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

I might cal your inspector back and ask him these questions. He
might be willing to come back and have a nother look cheaper than
anyone else because he's somewhat invested in it with his name on the
inspection report. A 2nd opinion at that point might give additional
assurance. And assurance is worth the money spent--it's no fun to
live in a place you think might fall down.

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On 26 Oct 2005 08:41:36 -0700, "Kim" wrote:

Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel
the uneven of it.

Your feet are not particularly 'finely calibrated', so if you
notice it when walking around, it's a signifigant enough change in
such a short period to have it looked at closely.


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"Kim" wrote in message
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No, I live at RTP, NC. As a matter of fact, it is kind of dry this year.


uhoh...you live close to the Jonesboro Fault - a triassic-age dip-slip fault
that is probably getting ready to bust loose any day now...what with the
weird rain patterns this year...you know...long periods of drought followed
by a day of intense rain. These triassic clays really swell and shrink from
this type of climate change. What you need to do is get some teak or
mahogany shims (only tropical wood will do) and jam then under the east and
south corners of the house. Then go smoke some weed and ferget about it.
Or call George W Bush - he's a genius...just trust him!

"Kim" writes:

Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel
the uneven of it.

A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right
angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how
significant the issue is.

The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-)

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Did YOU pay a "qualified" inspector for an inspection?

A qualified inspector should have picked up all these faults.


Did you buy the house "as is"?

Even so, the previous owner should have alerted you to any existing known
problems.



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"Kim" wrote in message
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Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.
2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.
3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.
4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

Thanks!

"Todd H." wrote in message ...
"Kim" writes:

Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel
the uneven of it.

A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right
angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how
significant the issue is.

The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-)

Maybe.
Just today I used my 4' level to draw a line down some drywall I was going
to cut. Just for the heck of it I checked with a plumb bob. The damn level
is off by about 2 degrees! Used it for years, I wonder how much damage I
have done...

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:40:39 GMT, "Toller" wrote:


"Todd H." wrote in message ...
"Kim" writes:

Thanks for the reply. It is very hard for me to measure the tilt, since
it is covered by carpet. Acturally, they are subfloor. But I can feel
the uneven of it.

A long, say, 4' inexpensive level laid across the carpet, a right
angle, and a protractor would be sufficient to quantify how
significant the issue is.

The level can be reused for installing shelves. :-)

Maybe.
Just today I used my 4' level to draw a line down some drywall I was going
to cut. Just for the heck of it I checked with a plumb bob. The damn level
is off by about 2 degrees! Used it for years, I wonder how much damage I
have done...


You want to know the degree of damage ?


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"Panos Popadopalous" wrote in message
...
Did YOU pay a "qualified" inspector for an inspection?

A qualified inspector should have picked up all these faults.

Even so, the previous owner should have alerted you to any existing known
problems.

True, but it seems as though the problems are recent. If that is the case,
the previous owner had no knowledge of them.

On 26 Oct 2005 08:21:24 -0700, someone wrote:

... Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection?

YES!

Because it will make you feel better.

Personally I think you are on the verge of hysterical and panic
stricken. But its your house not mine, so go hire an engineer.

I wouldn't, but I'm not as scared as you.


Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file.

How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has
foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when
I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Is there anyway that I
can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem?

"Kim" writes:

How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has
foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when
I sell it (maybe several years down the way). Is there anyway that I
can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem?

Nope. Unless you're clairvoyant. Or they posted about it on usenet
and you can tie their posting address to them.

And, as a practical matter, it's worth knowing that no future buyer
can prove or disprove the results of a construction engineer's
findings or your knowledge or lack thereof.

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

In article .com,
says...
How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has
foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when
I sell it (maybe several years down the way).

Or fix the problem and disclose an upgraded foundation. Not cheap,
but not prohibitively expensive if the rest of the house is in good
shape and the settlement is a small area. It was around $17,000 to
jack up our two-story wood-frame house, tear out the old foundation,
and pour a new one built to exceed earthquake code.

Is there anyway that I
can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem?

Has it been temporarily fixed before? Did they do a quick patch-and-
paint on cracked walls before selling the house?

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That is too much settling, in too little time!
I think the footing is inadequate.
You can only patch and hope it reaches some state of permanency.
In all probability I would get out and have a properly built home
constructed.
The Southern Standard Building Codes are minimal standards written in
cinjunction with the Banks to insure that the homes they were financing
would last the term of the loan 30 years.
It doesn't sound like yours meets that even.
Sorry. This is just my opinion.

"And, as a practical matter, it's worth knowing that no future buyer
can prove or disprove the results of a construction engineer's
findings or your knowledge or lack thereof. "

How about if the new owner happens to later call the same engineer and
the engineer says, "Oh, I remember looking at this house last year and
giving the owner a report!" Doh! Or how about if the new owner sues
the seller and the seller has to give a deposition? Now would you
advise the seller to lie under oath, and risk perjury charges, to try
to maintain the coverup?

Granted, it's not highly likely that a future owner can prove what you
knew about a problem, but it certainly isn't a sure thing.

In article , Joshua Putnam
says...

In article .com,
says...
How about the construction engineer DOES find that my house has
foundation problems? Then, I have to disclose it to the new buyer when
I sell it (maybe several years down the way).

Or fix the problem and disclose an upgraded foundation. Not cheap,
but not prohibitively expensive if the rest of the house is in good
shape and the settlement is a small area. It was around $17,000 to
jack up our two-story wood-frame house, tear out the old foundation,
and pour a new one built to exceed earthquake code.

That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it?

But, yes, that's the answer. I went the route of getting an engineer's
inspection and recommendations, documented these, and followed them, and
documented that. One need only worry about disclosure to the next buyer if one
doesn't FIX the problem.

Banty

Yes, they did. But not my immediately previous owner. My immediately
previous owner only lived at this house for about 18 months. The owner
before them did a quick patch-and paint on cracked walls before selling
the house.

Hey,
I would call an engineer immediately to figure out what is going on.
These kinds of problems are very serious and without proper repair will
make it very difficult to sell your house in the future. I would also
contact the original contractor who built this house( if possible) to
see if they will stand behind their work. If some piers have collapsed
under your house it could indicate serious water problems under the
house. When piers collapse, walls crack and undue strain is then placed
on other portions of the house. This could have a cascading effect. It
is important that you move on this quickly.

Kim wrote:
Hi, All,

Last Feb., I bought a 2-story house with crawl space. The house is
about 12 years old. Recently I have discovered signs of foundation
problem (settling?) that worry me a lot.
1. The floors at the family room and master bedroom(2nd floor) begin
tilting. I did not notice this when we moved in.
2. Cracking sounds from the wall with chimney. At night, especially
during earling morning hours, I can hear cracking sounds from the wall.
Recently, the temperature drops some, but not below zero yet. The
lowest temperature is around 36 to 40 degree.
3. some cracks at the corner of walls inside the house. Most of the
cracks at the corner of walls are hairy, but 1 or 2 are bigger than
that.
4. A crack (1/5 inch wide, several feet long) at my back yard.

We just moved in this house for several months. The inspection report
said everything was fine. Should I call a construction engineer to have
an inspection? What's your idea?

Thanks!

As others have said, a lot of the things you mentioned - hairline
cracks in the corners, popping sounds - are just things that some
houses do. The house we built in 1985 did all that stuff, but it's
fine.

The "floor tilting" that you feel when walking, could be a lot of
things, the subfloor is warped or delaminated, or some other problem.
Foundation settling is not the only possible cause. For that matter,
the tilting is not necessarily a serious problem. My current house is
old and has various tilts and uneven places in the floors, but they
don't mean it's falling down.

Have you looked at the foundation itself? Are there cracks in it?

If there are nasty looking cracks in the foundation, or if your peace
of mind is at stake, certainly consider getting a home inspector to
examine the particular things that worry you. It's hard to say without
seeing it, of course, but my sense from your original post is that you
may be worrying about it a little too much.

In article ,
says...

That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it?

Oh, should of course note that construction costs will vary widely
depending on your area and what contractors you use -- we had bids up
to $60,000 for the same job.

Definitely get the names of past customers before picking a
contractor, and check their complaints history, bond payouts, etc.

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In article , Joshua Putnam
says...

In article ,
says...

That was the whole foundation? Or a part of it?

Oh, should of course note that construction costs will vary widely
depending on your area and what contractors you use -- we had bids up
to $60,000 for the same job.

Definitely get the names of past customers before picking a
contractor, and check their complaints history, bond payouts, etc.


Oh - my foundation job is done already. Went well. Possibly might have been
cheaper, but this was the contractor whom I could trust. Mostly, I'm just
curious.

Banty

yes, there are 2-3 cracks near a vent window of the foundation wall.
About 1/8 inch wide.

In article . com, Kim says...

yes, there are 2-3 cracks near a vent window of the foundation wall.
About 1/8 inch wide.


May or may not mean anything.

Rather than worrying, hire an engineer to look at these issues.

Banty

I have personal experience w/a house w/foundation failure, so will add
another voice to those saying "get an engineer." And, get a GOOD one.
Either you'll find out what you need to know, (possibly for your own
safety), or you'll be able to put your mind at ease. In my area such
an inspection costs about three to four hundred bucks. More if they
have to do any testing. Though it's not guaranteed, a good engineer can
often spot signs that someone did an inadequate repair or concealed a
defect altogether.

This may or may not be anyone's fault. But if there is a problem it
doesn't say much about the builder if his houses only last 12 yrs. The
history of ownership and of any court records or complaints filed w/re
to that property or the builder or owners might be very telling. Do
your neighbors know if there were past problems? Depending on how
small a community you're in, a house that's had problems can be known
by quite a few people, like real estate agents, repair companies, etc.


Good luck...i hope it turns out to be nothing, but IMO it's worth a few
hundred to have some peace of mind.

On 26 Oct 2005 15:32:33 -0700, someone wrote:

...Is there anyway that I
can figure out if my previous owner knew that problem?

"Figure out" or PROVE (to an extent useable in a legal action)?

Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report
indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU
that they did?)

Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start
trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem,
maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be
pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all
in YOUR imagination.)




Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file.

You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to
assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the
Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that
there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before
purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time
chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know
about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of
all material facts related to the purchase of property.

Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report
indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU
that they did?)

Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start
trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem,
maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be
pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all
in YOUR imagination.)




Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file.

Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.


On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:37 -0500, in misc.consumers.house redhatnooblet
wrote:

You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to
assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the
Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that
there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before
purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time
chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know
about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of
all material facts related to the purchase of property.

Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report
indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU
that they did?)

Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start
trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem,
maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be
pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all
in YOUR imagination.)




Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote:



Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.

Bull****.

They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire
the inspector, you're a fool.





On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:50:37 -0500, in misc.consumers.house redhatnooblet
wrote:

You can always call the Real Estate commission for advice. I am going to
assume that there were no structural problems indicated on the
Residential Property Disclosure form when you bought the house and that
there were no problems found when you had the house inspected before
purchase. If you or your home inspector didn't catch it the first time
chances are that the problem was hidden and that the seller didn't know
about it. Agents and the seller are obligated to inform purchasers of
all material facts related to the purchase of property.

Can you find a previous engineer or inspector who gave him a report
indicating there was a problem? (And who will TELL YOU or ADMIT TO YOU
that they did?)

Actually, do you even KNOW there is a problem? Before you start
trying to "figure out" if the previous owner knew there was a problem,
maybe YOU better ACTUALLY FIND OUT if there is one. (It would be
pretty hard for the previous guy to know about something that is all
in YOUR imagination.)




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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote:



Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.

Bull****.

They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire
the inspector, you're a fool.



You're very naive if you believe that.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:43:54 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote:



Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.

Bull****.

They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire
the inspector, you're a fool.



You're very naive if you believe that.

You're an idiot if you don't understand it.

If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY
THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period.

If you're dumb enough to simply accept 'the inspection that
comes bundled with the deal' from your agent, then you get what you
get - THEIR INSPECTOR.


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says...

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:01:01 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:56:57 -0800, wrote:



Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.

Bull****.

They work for whoever hired them. If you let the agent hire
the inspector, you're a fool.



You're very naive if you believe that.

::sigh:::

This from large-hole/small-sink.

It's simple.

If YOU YOU YOU hire an inspector they'll report to YOU YOU YOU.

What are you suggesting, they the inspector will, um, make a lot of calls, seek
out the seller's agent, call the seller's agent, and find out what they want
them to say to the person who hired them??

Newsflash: The Whole World *isn't* really Out To Get You.

Truly!

Banty

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:47:23 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote:

You're an idiot if you don't understand it.

If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY
THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period.


You're very naive.

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:13:06 -0800, wrote:

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:47:23 GMT, in misc.consumers.house
wrote:

You're an idiot if you don't understand it.

If you're smart enough to go HIRE YOUR OWN INSPECTOR - AND PAY
THEM - , then THEY WORK FOR YOU, THEY REPORT TO YOU, period.


You're very naive.

You're an asshole.

Luckily, you're not MY asshole.


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wrote:

Home inspectors really work for the realty agent and not for you the buyer.

Unless you hire your own.