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How do I hook up a 3 phase generator to run my house
I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw
generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood |
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On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote:
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? |
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... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer ---------------------------- |
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On Nov 22, 6:21 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer On the tag: Fidelity Synchro Generator 15KW, 18/75 KVA Phase 3 Amp 52 Continuous Duty. Model H53-16-1381 |
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On Nov 22, 6:54 pm, wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:21 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer On the tag: Fidelity Synchro Generator 15KW, 18/75 KVA Phase 3 Amp 52 Continuous Duty. Model H53-16-1381 Model number is actually H53-46-1381 |
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On Nov 22, 6:54 pm, wrote:
On Nov 22, 6:21 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer On the tag: Fidelity Synchro Generator 15KW, 18/75 KVA Phase 3 Amp 52 Continuous Duty. Model H53-16-1381 Inside the rear of the generator where the field coil wires are on the left side of the box is a terminal plate where there are electronic components and three terminals to hook the feed wire to the breaker box mounted on the generator frame, only two of the terminals have wire hooked to them to the breaker, the third is just a stud with two nuts on it,, ready for a wire connection but never connected. The couls at 12 and 8 o-clock are connected, the connection at 4 o-clock is not. I have not tested the power output on the one that is not connected. There is an aftermarket solid state voltage regulator hooked up, could that have anything to do with getting 240 out of it instead of 208? Oh, This generator was made in the sixties or seventies, if that makes any difference. |
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wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 6:21 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer On the tag: Fidelity Synchro Generator 15KW, 18/75 KVA Phase 3 Amp 52 Continuous Duty. Model H53-16-1381 The specs are somewhat confusing: No voltage or frequency is listed However the 18KVA and 52A implies a design voltage of 115V line to neutral ( Y connection 200V line to line) and the aftermarket regulator could boost this to 120/208V-not 120/240V . The 120/240V implies a delta connection (original rating 100/200) with one leg center-tapped. In either case a 3rd wire is needed for dual voltage -probably the tap or neutral is tied to the chassis or ground. If 200V delta then the voltage to center tap could be 100V or 120/240 with the regulator. The 18/75 KVA may be 18/7.5KVA for 3 phase/single phase operation (at the original voltage allowing for derating as a single phase machine, although I would expect 10KVA as the derated value. Note a voltage rating of 115/230 was the nominal rating in the 60's -this has crept up to 120/240V. Also I am not sure that 120/208 was typical in the US- particularly back then- I am sure that someone can educate me regarding this. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer |
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On Nov 23, 7:35 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 6:21 pm, "Don Kelly" wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:19 pm, PeterD wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:58:46 -0800 (PST), wrote: I have a three phase genset, lister sr3 engine and three phase 15kw generator. only two of the three coils are hooked up inside the generator, the third is wired to the transfer block, but not hooked to the output anywhere. I hooked the two power wires to my house and have had no problems. I was just told a few days ago that running a single phase 220 well pump on what I have will fry the motor. Do I have anything to worry about? Should I hook up three phase breaker box? Any recommendations? Thanks. William Attwood how many volts is the generator putting out? 120 volts on each leg to common, 240 leg to leg, which has me wondering,, shouldn't it be 208? It should be 208 if 120 line to neutral as you indicate. Are you sure that this is not a 240V delta with one side center tapped for 120/240V. If so you have effectively a 5KW generator. Can you give more information regarding the actual connections? As for your single phase pump motor- there should be no problems. -- Don Kelly remove the X to answer On the tag: Fidelity Synchro Generator 15KW, 18/75 KVA Phase 3 Amp 52 Continuous Duty. Model H53-16-1381 The specs are somewhat confusing: No voltage or frequency is listed However the 18KVA and 52A implies a design voltage of 115V line to neutral ( Y connection 200V line to line) and the aftermarket regulator could boost this to 120/208V-not 120/240V . The 120/240V implies a delta connection (original rating 100/200) with one leg center-tapped. In either case a 3rd wire is needed for dual voltage -probably the tap or neutral is tied to the chassis or ground. If 200V delta then the voltage to center tap could be 100V or 120/240 with the regulator. The 18/75 KVA may be 18/7.5KVA for 3 phase/single phase operation (at the original voltage allowing for derating as a single phase machine, although I would expect 10KVA as the derated value. Note a voltage rating of 115/230 was the nominal rating in the 60's -this has crept up to 120/240V. Also I am not sure that 120/208 was typical in the US- particularly back then- I am sure that someone can educate me regarding this. -- Sorry, I missed part of the tag,, it says V 208/120 above the 18/75, so I guess it would be 7.5, but there isn't a . on the tag. Typo maybe. So the 240 isn't unusual? and my well pump won't be damaged by having the power slightly out of phase? Would it be a good idea to get another breaker box and hook up some of the load to the third leg? Spread the load? Or do I not need to worry? |
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On Nov 24, 4:56 am, PeterD wrote:
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:59:43 -0800 (PST), wrote: Sorry, I missed part of the tag,, it says V 208/120 above the 18/75, so I guess it would be 7.5, but there isn't a . on the tag. Typo maybe. So the 240 isn't unusual? and my well pump won't be damaged by having the power slightly out of phase? Would it be a good idea to get another breaker box and hook up some of the load to the third leg? Spread the load? Or do I not need to worry? "slightly out of phase" ? g This could get confusing, as at least from my point of view, I can't tell if it is out of phase or not. Depends (like the previous posts say) whether it is wired delta or wye. If delta and that is tapped then it is not out of phase. If wye, and you are using two of the phases, then things could get bad. Depends on the pump. Were this me, I'd perhaps put a scope on the outputs and view the phase angles that way (there may be better ways, but that's what would be easy for me to do). If they are truely out of phase, I'd check with the maker of the pump motor to see what they recommend. (The 120/240 implies that they are in phase to me...) I think you are correct. I don't have a scope, but will just keep going like I am and if I have problems, will replace the motor. The fact that it is 240 and not 208 is what threw me for a loop...this is the way it was from the factory, so What I probably have is a generator that if hooked up completely would be 22.5 kw three phase but they hooked it up delta and only used two of the three so made a workable ,, well, would I call it a two phase? Or single phase? I don't know. Just know it is working great and so I won't mess with it much. |
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