Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Can't use facebook, LinkedIn, or any of those websites, Often, can't even
use dropbox to pickup a pic, between loading the PC with stuff, hanging,
and/or crashing our systems, given up going there. Now youtube doesn't
work, either.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:46:33 -0700, RobertMacy wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Can't use facebook, . . . .

Won't use facebook...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Greetings Larry,
I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for
socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The
newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any of
that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this newsgroup it
doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages download fast
and don't take up much room on the hard drive.
Airich

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.

And anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone left in
a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've made our choice
and lived with the lesser traffic each year.

It was so much better in the old days, when someone had to prove a need
for yet another group. It took more effort to create, but there was
reasonable certainty that it would be used if it was created. Now, any
Joe Blow can create a facebook page or a yahoo group, but that doesn't
mean it will have value. That only comes if anyone uses it, and we
aren't the ones who are going to homestead a facebook page.

YOu don't even mention a faq, which puts this new 'creation" way down.
When Sam wrote those faqs, Radio Electronics magazine liked them so much
that they made him the repair columnist for the magazine.

All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It takes
a lot more to actually make it valuable.

Michael

prodded the keyboard

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:25:20 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I
have started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/
Greetings Larry,
I don't like and won't use facebook. I'm sure it's fine for
socializing but it's not so good for what you are trying to do. The
newsgroup you posted this to is for text only. No pop up ads or any
of that sort of crap. Since binaries can't be posted to this
newsgroup it doesn't get flooded with spam. This means that messages
download fast and don't take up much room on the hard drive.
Airich

+1

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

Michael Black prodded the keyboard

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I
have started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/


Anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone
left in a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've
made our choice and lived with the lesser traffic each year.

All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It
takes a lot more to actually make it valuable.

Michael

The newsgroup works very well for me ! No way am I going to use
facebook or any other social network for that matter.

--
Best Regards:
Baron.

I won't even go to facebook or any of that **** to view a picture, let alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting **** site. **** all that.

I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.

SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".

wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

I don't support spammers.
I don't support con merchants.
I don't support liars.
I don't support thieves.

I shall not be joining.


--
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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.

One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, wrote:

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam. I'm not sure what you're talking about or whether it's really from Facebook.

One thing Usenet can be relied on is to bring out negative reactions to virtually anything, especially if it was invented after 1980, the year in which computers and networks were perfected.

I would point out that so much of these newfangled things rest on all the
experimentation and experience that has happened on Usenet over 30 years.

"LOl", cross-posting, spamming, they were in Usenet long before these
other things arrived.

People just follow blindly, so facebook is "social media" without anyone
really looking into what that means. I would point out that when I was
trying to get groups to use the internet circa 1997, one group said "but
it's too technical" and I said "no, it's social" which certainly defines
usenet long before the carpetbaggers arrived.

If nothing else, the old spaces were defined by RFCs, and were given away,
to win success because it worked. So gopher faded away, but email still
remains, even as the younger generation wants to use twitter instead. The
old ways were about giving osmething away, to set standards. The new ways
are to build branded spaces, to win the viewership over from the
competition. Facebook doesn't really care about what your experience on
facebook is like, they only care if you leave, because then their chance
at raking in money goes away (I can't even remember if facebook is making
money yet). Their goal is not the common good, their goal is to make
money, and you are the content to lure the eyeballs to the advertising.

I have a page about upcoming local used booksales, I've been posting about
them (first to the local newsgroup, then to a webpage) since 1997. It was
part of a bigger strategy to widen the contents in the local newsgroup to
lure more people in, who in turn would share their obscure interests and
lure more people in. SOme guy putting up a webpage represents the
internet of old, doing it because they can, because it costs so little.
The new internet has yelp!, pretending to be community, yet someone is
getting rich off the free content.

IN 1996, Inet '96 met here, a confereance about the internet. A good
number of the workshops there were about "community networking", and the
fear was that all the space would be commercialized. Odd, since at that
point, commerce on the internet was a relatively new thing, while it had
been communal and cooperative for so much longer. But while commerce
can't drive out pages like mine (I pay for the space for the webpage, no
freebie for me), or usenet, commerce is so much bigger it dwarfs the good.
Few see what we were doing in the old days, few see that we still exist.
So some political group that doesn't like trucks driving around for the
purpose of showing off billboards, they can't see what's wrong with
facebook, because in all their "internet life", commerce has been here.
These are the same people who think commerce has given them "community",
ie "web 2.0", becuase they just don't know what was there before.

Michael

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:39:07 -0400, Michael Black wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.

SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.

?-)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:16:08 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I won't even go to facebook or any of that **** to view a picture, let alone join it. I don't even like that imageshack and those other picture hosting **** site. **** all that.

I got ?Usenet, and I got a dropbox account for whatever files I want to put up.

SDaw a cartoon with a guy at tha PC and another guy over his shoiulder saying "OK, see where it says 'share my personal information and bank account info with all my exes and every psychopath out there ? You want to uncheck that'".

Yep. And about 100 more just like it plus new ones all the time.

?-(

On 25/07/14 02:49, wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam.

Untrue.

ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books,
particularly those stored on mobile devices.

Linkedin is the worst...

--
Adrian C

On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:02:09 AM UTC-4, Adrian C wrote:
On 25/07/14 02:49, wrote:
On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook does not spam.

Untrue.

ALL the social networks spam, usually by harvesting users address books,
particularly those stored on mobile devices.

Linkedin is the worst...

I remain skeptical. I see all my incoming e-mail (including huge amounts that are set aside by the spam filter) and none of it is from Facebook or LinkedIn. From LinkedIn I get notifications when someone gives me an invitation or a recommendation, but I don't consider that spam -- it is notifications that I signed up for.

As I said, in my experience Facebook does not spam. Are you yourself receiving spam from Facebook? What does it say?

In article ,
josephkk wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:39:07 -0400, Michael Black wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.

SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.

How do I put this. Er, how about "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!".

Somtime before I got here, (I'd guess about 1983), they created
"net.analog". (Last I knew, you could read all that group's traffic in
the Google Groups archive. About 300 messages over the three of four
years it existed).

Then in the Fall of 1986, they did "The Great Renaming" that created
the Big 7 newsgroups list. net.analog became sci.electronics.
(The 8th "humanities" hierarchy came later).

(Johnny come lately? I've been participating in the newsgroups since,
near as I can tell, March 1988).

And then AOL, Microsoft and the other nationwide internet providers
came online and we got "Eternal September" around 1993-94. Traffic
in sci.electronics hit around 400 posts a day. Over the ability to
follow the group for a lot of people.

So we decided to do something about it. I stepped forward, (shoved my
way into other people business ;-) ) and did the first reorg. Using
the princple of "if you're going to split a group, pick a topic that
already has traffic for it", sci.electronics.repair and sci.electronics.cad
were voted on and created. Sci.electronics had about 25 posts on repairs
a day, the new .repair group jumped up to about 75 posts a day.

That wasn't enough, so there was a second reorg about a year later.
This ended up creating .components, .design, .equipment, .basics,
and .misc.

Why didn't sci.electronics get left as it is? They (the moderator
committee for news.announce.newgroups, the regulators of the namespace)
wouldn't let me. So, supposedly, sci.electronics.misc was to take
its place.

(I can't find this stuff on my disk and I don't want to spend the
time digging through archive CD-ROMS. There are text files that
have both reorg discussions on ftp.eskimo.com under the mzenier user
directory.)

There is a charter for sci.electronics.design. It's one line.

There was a fashion for huge "US Constitution" type charters, back then.
IMHO, all that did was attract language lawyer net.trolls determined to
cause trouble by following the letter but not the spirit of the charters.
Since the reaction to abuse is the same whether or not it's in the
charter, keep the charter at a minimum.

There's also a Rationale in the vote announcment that discusses the three
level split of .components/.design/.equipment that should be taken into
account for the charters of all three groups.


Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, josephkk wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:39:07 -0400, Michael Black wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.

SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.

Where you getting this?

I started reading sci.electronics in late 1994, only that and
sci.electronics.repair existed.

I know longer find Mark's guide to the hierarchy at his own location, but
there is a copy at
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_Groups.html

So I was off a bit, the division, which created .design along with the
other subdivisions came at the beginning of 1996.

Michael

wrote:

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook
does not spam.

They have been spamming me for months, having harvested address books
containing my e-mail.

This month so far:


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On 25/07/14 20:46, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
wrote:

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 1:13:29 PM UTC-4, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:

Facebook have been spamming me for months. They appear to have obtained
my e-mail address from the adress book of friends who were foolish
enough to fall for their trickery.

Hmmm... In my considerable experience, as far as I can determine, Facebook
does not spam.

They have been spamming me for months, having harvested address books
containing my e-mail.

This month so far:


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Subject: Do you know Shirley Bransgrove, Mick Holditch and Gill
Berry?

snip

Precisely. And if you ever catch up with these folks in real life, they
will swear blind that they never intentionally sent out those emails.

Facebook *do* spam.

It's unwanted, unnecessary and worse, since facebook claim property
ownership over _everything_ shared on there, it's a risky place where
your design ideas will be taken from you, for their profit - read the
small print....

So a Electronic Repair and Design group? Stay well away, people.

--
Adrian C

On 7/24/2014 8:13 AM, Baron wrote:
Michael Black prodded the keyboard

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I
have started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/


Anyone who announces a facebook group here is a fool. Anyone
left in a newsgroup is not going to be moving to facebook, we've
made our choice and lived with the lesser traffic each year.

All you have is a facebook page, something any fool can create. It
takes a lot more to actually make it valuable.

Michael

The newsgroup works very well for me ! No way am I going to use
facebook or any other social network for that matter.

I wouldn't either, they have called us grouchy and rude over there! :-)
I think I'll go kick the dog, or something.
Mikek



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On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 16:39:40 GMT, (Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article ,
josephkk wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 00:39:07 -0400, Michael Black wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, wrote:

Here is a link to a new Electronics Repair and Design group that I have
started, need new members and fresh ideas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/528254330634866/

Which is it, repair or design?

20 years ago, this hierarchy consisted of sci.electronics and
sci.electronics.repair It was some time in 1995 that Mark Zenier
put in the effort to divide up sci.electronics into the multiple
newsgroups we see today, design being one of them. But for some
reason (and I wasn't around before late 1994), someone had seen fit
to make .repair a separate newsgroup, even before any other subgroups
were created.

SED started in the early 1980s. Mark Z. must be some Johnny come lately,
as Big 8 was already in place in 1995. SED predates Big 8. That is why
it has no charter.

How do I put this. Er, how about "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG!".

Somtime before I got here, (I'd guess about 1983), they created
"net.analog". (Last I knew, you could read all that group's traffic in
the Google Groups archive. About 300 messages over the three of four
years it existed).

Then in the Fall of 1986, they did "The Great Renaming" that created
the Big 7 newsgroups list. net.analog became sci.electronics.
(The 8th "humanities" hierarchy came later).

(Johnny come lately? I've been participating in the newsgroups since,
near as I can tell, March 1988).

And then AOL, Microsoft and the other nationwide internet providers
came online and we got "Eternal September" around 1993-94. Traffic
in sci.electronics hit around 400 posts a day. Over the ability to
follow the group for a lot of people.

So we decided to do something about it. I stepped forward, (shoved my
way into other people business ;-) ) and did the first reorg. Using
the princple of "if you're going to split a group, pick a topic that
already has traffic for it", sci.electronics.repair and sci.electronics.cad
were voted on and created. Sci.electronics had about 25 posts on repairs
a day, the new .repair group jumped up to about 75 posts a day.

That wasn't enough, so there was a second reorg about a year later.
This ended up creating .components, .design, .equipment, .basics,
and .misc.

Why didn't sci.electronics get left as it is? They (the moderator
committee for news.announce.newgroups, the regulators of the namespace)
wouldn't let me. So, supposedly, sci.electronics.misc was to take
its place.

(I can't find this stuff on my disk and I don't want to spend the
time digging through archive CD-ROMS. There are text files that
have both reorg discussions on ftp.eskimo.com under the mzenier user
directory.)

There is a charter for sci.electronics.design. It's one line.

There was a fashion for huge "US Constitution" type charters, back then.
IMHO, all that did was attract language lawyer net.trolls determined to
cause trouble by following the letter but not the spirit of the charters.
Since the reaction to abuse is the same whether or not it's in the
charter, keep the charter at a minimum.

There's also a Rationale in the vote announcment that discusses the three
level split of .components/.design/.equipment that should be taken into
account for the charters of all three groups.


Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

Much of what you have said validates. Still can't find any charter. Any
pointers?

?-)