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Willing to Pay for Proper Korg DW-8000 Analog Synthesizer RepairDiagnostic
I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer. If I bypass
the board with the volume slider, everything works fine, but when the audio runs through the board in question (Korg KLM-663-1), nothing other than the occasional scratchy volume slider sound. If necessary, I'd be willing to even pay a few bucks to any kind soul who would take a few minutes time to point me in the right direction of a fix (other than the obvious -- bad volume slider). The board looks simple and straightforward, but I am a rank amateur when it comes to tracing such a problem. I have both the service manual and a couple of photos of the suspect board. If I recall right, audio comes in on the connector on the right and leaves on the one on the left (might have that reversed). http://picasaweb.google.com/10293867...85/KorgDw8000# I'm pretty certain the volume slider worked just fine, before I replaced the battery for the patches because it did make noises, albeit random ones. My multimeter also detects resistance change on the slider when I move it up and down. One other strange thing I noticed is that when the audio is re-routed, the detune slider doesn't detune -- it seems to affect a parameter value -- a filter perhaps? The slider that is supposed to change patch data also behaves similarly -- no increase or decrease in patch or parameter value, but instead a change in the parameter value. |
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:34:24 -0700 (PDT), evilaltima
wrote: I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer. If I bypass the board with the volume slider, everything works fine, but when the audio runs through the board in question (Korg KLM-663-1), nothing other than the occasional scratchy volume slider sound. If necessary, I'd be willing to even pay a few bucks to any kind soul who would take a few minutes time to point me in the right direction of a fix (other than the obvious -- bad volume slider). The board looks simple and straightforward, but I am a rank amateur when it comes to tracing such a problem. I have both the service manual and a couple of photos of the suspect board. If I recall right, audio comes in on the connector on the right and leaves on the one on the left (might have that reversed). http://picasaweb.google.com/10293867...85/KorgDw8000# I'm pretty certain the volume slider worked just fine, before I replaced the battery for the patches because it did make noises, albeit random ones. My multimeter also detects resistance change on the slider when I move it up and down. One other strange thing I noticed is that when the audio is re-routed, the detune slider doesn't detune -- it seems to affect a parameter value -- a filter perhaps? The slider that is supposed to change patch data also behaves similarly -- no increase or decrease in patch or parameter value, but instead a change in the parameter value. Is there a 'hard' reset for this unit? (The Kurzwiel 250 has a button inside on the CPU board, for example). If yes, do a hard reset first. |
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Thanks for your time and suggestion Peter. It seemed such a simple
and elegant solution that could be easily overlooked that I was excited to try it out. However, the only reset procedure in the service manual I could find is the one to clear the memory for the patches, which I had done a number of times while reloading SysEx data. I tried it again for good measure (a couple of times even) and still nothing but a scratchy slider sound is produced when keys are pressed and the volume slider is moved. It seems far fetched, but I suppose something could have happened to the volume slider during my battery replacement. I've tried already tried deoxit, but perhaps there a simple way I can bypass the volume slider completely to test it other than replace it? IE, Can I insert something into the circuit that sets the resistance open at full volume? Again, please forgive my electronics naivete if that sounds ignorant or uninformed, I'm an unemployed philosophy major by trade. On Mar 17, 5:51*am, PeterD wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:34:24 -0700 (PDT), evilaltima wrote: I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer. *If I bypass the board with the volume slider, everything works fine, but when the audio runs through the board in question (Korg KLM-663-1), nothing other than the occasional scratchy volume slider sound. If necessary, I'd be willing to even pay a few bucks to any kind soul who would take a few minutes time to point me in the right direction of a fix (other than the obvious -- bad volume slider). *The board looks simple and straightforward, but I am a rank amateur when it comes to tracing such a problem. *I have both the service manual and a couple of photos of the suspect board. * *If I recall right, audio comes in on the connector on the right and leaves on the one on the left (might have that reversed). http://picasaweb.google.com/10293867...85/KorgDw8000# I'm pretty certain the volume slider worked just fine, before I replaced the battery for the patches because it did make noises, albeit random ones. *My multimeter also detects resistance change on the slider when I move it up and down. * One other strange thing I noticed is that when the audio is re-routed, the detune slider doesn't detune -- it seems to affect a parameter value -- a filter perhaps? The slider that is supposed to change patch data also behaves similarly -- no increase or decrease in patch or parameter value, but instead a change in the parameter value. Is there a 'hard' reset for this unit? (The Kurzwiel 250 has a button inside on the CPU board, for example). If yes, do a hard reset first. |
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On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT), evilaltima
wrote: Thanks for your time and suggestion Peter. It seemed such a simple and elegant solution that could be easily overlooked that I was excited to try it out. However, the only reset procedure in the service manual I could find is the one to clear the memory for the patches, which I had done a number of times while reloading SysEx data. I tried it again for good measure (a couple of times even) and still nothing but a scratchy slider sound is produced when keys are pressed and the volume slider is moved. It seems far fetched, but I suppose something could have happened to the volume slider during my battery replacement. I've tried already tried deoxit, but perhaps there a simple way I can bypass the volume slider completely to test it other than replace it? IE, Can I insert something into the circuit that sets the resistance open at full volume? Again, please forgive my electronics naivete if that sounds ignorant or uninformed, I'm an unemployed philosophy major by trade. You could do that but the obvious thing is just to see if you can find a replacement slider. |
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Willing to Pay for Proper Korg DW-8000 Analog Synthesizer RepairDiagnostic
evilaltima wrote:
I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer.\ Ya know, just from looking at the back side of the PC board I'd suspect that the relay might be part of the problem. You might be able to pull the plastic cover off of it and manually operate it either up or down depending on which way it's stuck. Jeff -- “Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.” Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954 http://www.stay-connect.com |
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Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
evilaltima wrote: I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer.\ Ya know, just from looking at the back side of the PC board I'd suspect that the relay might be part of the problem. You might be able to pull the plastic cover off of it and manually operate it either up or down depending on which way it's stuck. Jeff Yep, I've seen very similar relays in the old SAE equipment. Pop off the lid of the relay and use a burnishing tool to clean the contacts. That should fix it right up. In fact, before you even do that, just tap on the relay with it powered up and see if the sound doesn't come back to normal for a while. Of course watch what you're doing with the set powered on. Good luck. -- David Farber David Farber's Service Center L.A., CA |
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Thanks so much for the suggestions! I did initially think the relay
might be problematic, but it has always has made a clicking sound when I powered it up. I still took the advice and cleaned it up a bit just in case there was a contact issue. Still no luck. Another interesting thing --as well as having no volume and strangely behaving tuner slider, the arpeggiator slider also does nothing - just like the volume. When functioning, the arpeggiator slider slows and speeds up the red LED which correlates to the resistance of that slider and the speed of the arpeggiator. However, even though I can read it with my multimeter -- just like I can the volume slider, the LED speed does not increase or decrease perhaps indicating a common fault. I'm at a loss to think what might be affecting the functionality of all three of the sliders. I thought maybe the IC on the board might have something to do with it, but looking at the PDF, although it could potentially be a source of no volume, I don't think it would affect the other two sliders. http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datashe...HI/M5216L.html Thanks again for the help! On Mar 17, 7:16*pm, "David Farber" wrote: Jeffrey D Angus wrote: evilaltima wrote: I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer.\ Ya know, just from looking at the back side of the PC board I'd suspect that the relay might be part of the problem. You might be able to pull the plastic cover off of it and manually operate it either up or down depending on which way it's stuck. Jeff Yep, I've seen very similar relays in the old SAE equipment. Pop off the lid of the relay and use a burnishing tool to clean the contacts. That should fix it right up. In fact, before you even do that, just tap on the relay with it powered up and see if the sound doesn't come back to normal for a while. Of course watch what you're doing with the set powered on. Good luck. -- David Farber David Farber's Service Center L.A., CA |
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"evilaltima" wrote in message ... I am not getting proper audio out of an old synthesizer. If I bypass the board with the volume slider, everything works fine, but when the audio runs through the board in question (Korg KLM-663-1), nothing other than the occasional scratchy volume slider sound. If necessary, I'd be willing to even pay a few bucks to any kind soul who would take a few minutes time to point me in the right direction of a fix (other than the obvious -- bad volume slider). The board looks simple and straightforward, but I am a rank amateur when it comes to tracing such a problem. I have both the service manual and a couple of photos of the suspect board. If I recall right, audio comes in on the connector on the right and leaves on the one on the left (might have that reversed). http://picasaweb.google.com/10293867...85/KorgDw8000# I'm pretty certain the volume slider worked just fine, before I replaced the battery for the patches because it did make noises, albeit random ones. My multimeter also detects resistance change on the slider when I move it up and down. One other strange thing I noticed is that when the audio is re-routed, the detune slider doesn't detune -- it seems to affect a parameter value -- a filter perhaps? The slider that is supposed to change patch data also behaves similarly -- no increase or decrease in patch or parameter value, but instead a change in the parameter value. Can you post a picture of the schematic? Tom |
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Willing to Pay for Proper Korg DW-8000 Analog Synthesizer RepairDiagnostic
Can you post a picture of the schematic?
Tom The schematic is he http://picasaweb.google.com/10293867...03595012399106 The entire service manual is he http://www.pallium.com/bryan/dw/DW-8...ice_Manual.pdf Thanks again to everyone who's tried to help. |
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Willing to Pay for Proper Korg DW-8000 Analog Synthesizer RepairDiagnostic
Is there, by chance, a relay on that board, to prevent the power-on
pop from getting through to the amp? If so, you might want to investigate that part. It is very common for these to go bad and only let volume scratch through. |
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