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Toshiba lap top problem
I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. |
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Dana wrote:
I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. I do not know what model you have, but I trust you are aware of the problem that some Satellite models had with the power connector jack?? List what model you are dealing with and perhaps someone can help. The model I have will power up and boot without a battery if you use the power adapter to power the unit. If yours will not, it could be that is why your battery is bad and swapping another from a friend worked. |
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Meat Plow wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote in message
news Meat Plow wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Are there stand alobne DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers ? |
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Meat Plow wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. frown This was uncalled for. Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer. Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc. It is unfortunate that so many devices that we interact with on a daily basis take sight -- as well as hearing -- for granted, needlessly. Think about what's around you and how you would interact with it if you were visually impaired; or hearing impaired; or suffered from tremor; or any of the dozens of other problems that many folks deal with every day (if you live long enough, you *will* go blind *and* deaf!) |
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N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message news Meat Plow wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? There are DVMs with a serial port. I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers? I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about 45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been over 30 years since I've seen any of them. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:44:04 -0700, D Yuniskis wrote: Meat Plow wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. frown This was uncalled for. Aren't there issues in your local community where you could vent your disdain for usefull purpose? I spend a good deal of time dealing with -- and designing devices to be used by -- people with various disabilities. Let's flip your criticism of *my* comment around: can you explain any reason for *your* reply to the original poster -- besides wanting to see your name in print? Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer. Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc. My aunt is blind. I'll hand her my laptop and have her post a message and read the replies if any. Great! Maybe she and Dana can exchange life experiences and how they each cope with their specific issues! |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc. (e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that most sites are geared towards the sighted. You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the "disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just how well *you* can adapt grin started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate) Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? There are DVMs with a serial port. Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc. I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers? I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently than those losing their vision later in life from things like diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may just not be an option -- especially with the neurological damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes). things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk a blind client through the process of disassembling the minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory service personnel" do?? frown based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about 45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been over 30 years since I've seen any of them. |
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D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc. (e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that most sites are geared towards the sighted. I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye, and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late last year that I regained full control of that eye. I write HTML in Wordpad to keep the pages compact and fast. I use the bare minimum of code, both for the visually impaired, and those who have to use older computers & browsers. You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the "disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just how well *you* can adapt grin Without text to voice and the ability to touch type, it's worthless. started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate) Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? There are DVMs with a serial port. Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc. Someone had written a simple 'serial to text' terminal program for those type DVMs a few years ago. I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers? I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 & 20/400 when I entered the US Army in the '70s and has become worse over the decades since. Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently than those losing their vision later in life from things like diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may just not be an option -- especially with the neurological damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes). I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy. things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk a blind client through the process of disassembling the minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory service personnel" do?? frown Not at the factory. I troubleshot MC68340 based embedded controller boards we built in house. I hand soldered 288 pin ICs under a stereo microscope for several years. Then I was moved to our newest product, a VME based telemetry receiver with several DSP & FIR filters per board. You don't scrap new $8,000 boards if you can prevent it. based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about 45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been over 30 years since I've seen any of them. Meat Plow is an angry little man with a huge chip on his shoulder. He should stay on alt.usenet.kooks, where he came from. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc. (e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that most sites are geared towards the sighted. I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye, and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late last year that I regained full control of that eye. This is one of the early symptoms of Myasthenia Gravis (I am not claiming that you have MG -- just drawing a parallel). But, with Bell's, don't you also tear a lot? I.e., so you almost *have* to actively close your eye to blink away the tears... I write HTML in Wordpad to keep the pages compact and fast. I use the bare minimum of code, both for the visually impaired, and those who have to use older computers & browsers. Understood. But even things like page format/layout can be confounding. E.g., trying to recognize columns (think: frames within a page) is very hard for someone not "seeing" the page. You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the "disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just how well *you* can adapt grin Without text to voice and the ability to touch type, it's worthless. My point is that even *with* text-to-speech (TTS), it is very hard for most people to process information. Many people are highly visual oriented. And, have, after a lifetime, developed their skillsets oriented towards processing information in this way. Try, for example, to have a page of text *read* to you and see how much of it you comprehend afterwards. Then, realize that you can't just flick your "ears" back a few paragraphs to review what you heard "back then" -- which is something we constantly do with our eyes as we rescan text that has previously been read for clarifications, etc. started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate) Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? There are DVMs with a serial port. Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc. Someone had written a simple 'serial to text' terminal program for those type DVMs a few years ago. Ah, cool! But, you still need a PC just to read your DMM. I.e., there is a big inconvenience involved. I get annoyed when I don't have enough room for my 5.5 digit DMM and have to resort to using a Simpson VOM just because it's smaller. (yeah, I really should buy an El Cheapo pocket sized DMM but it seems a waste when I have so many others...) I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers? I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 & grin Well, *technically* I can't drive without glasses, either but that's just because the law (here) requires vision corrected to 20/20 in order to drive. If I had to get to the hospital in a hurry and didn't have my eyeglasses handy, I'd have no worse problem than any other driver (especially those "handicapped" by having a cell phone glued to their ear!) 20/400 when I entered the US Army in the '70s and has become worse over the decades since. 20/200 is pretty bad. I know a gentleman who is in that shape now. At 12 feet he is effectively "blind". Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently than those losing their vision later in life from things like diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may just not be an option -- especially with the neurological damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes). I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy. Hmmm... I thought gabapentin was for epilepsy? shrug IANAD so I'm just recalling things from memory. Maybe used for anything neurological? things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk a blind client through the process of disassembling the minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory service personnel" do?? frown Not at the factory. I troubleshot MC68340 based embedded controller boards we built in house. I hand soldered 288 pin ICs under a stereo microscope for several years. Then I was moved to our newest product, a VME based telemetry receiver with several DSP & FIR filters per board. You don't scrap new $8,000 boards if you can prevent it. Yes, I was being facetious. My point was that a blind man can still do some checking and repair/replacement. E.g., "Can you verify that all of the cables are fully seated? Can you hear the scanner motor starting up and the carriage moving across the machine? etc." My experience with visually impaired individuals is that they have to rely on memory a lot more than sighted folks do. Whether it is remembering where something is on/in a device or remembering how to do something or remembering where they *put* something. I have found working with deaf people to be much more difficult. Sight is highly directional. So, we have other senses that compensate and alert us to things that are not in front of us (i.e., not in front of our eyes). Hearing being primary among them. Try getting a deaf person's attention if they are not looking in your general direction...! :-/ based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about 45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been over 30 years since I've seen any of them. Meat Plow is an angry little man with a huge chip on his shoulder. He should stay on alt.usenet.kooks, where he came from. |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:47:21 -0500, Meat Plow . wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. Meathead, what a frickin moron you are... There is no need to see to type. You're a complete ass, beginning to end. |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:20:31 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Meat Plow is an angry little man with a huge chip on his shoulder. He should stay on alt.usenet.kooks, where he came from. And you should **** off you pedantic ****wit. And I'm not a little man, Inside you are a teeny, tiny man, not much at all. I'm 6'3" and around 230lbs. Like I told another poster if you said some of this **** to my person you'd leave crawling spitting teeth along the way. Yea, sure... Easy talk when you are annoymous. |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:39:09 -0700, D Yuniskis
wrote: Meat Plow wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:44:04 -0700, D Yuniskis wrote: Meat Plow wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. frown This was uncalled for. Aren't there issues in your local community where you could vent your disdain for usefull purpose? I spend a good deal of time dealing with -- and designing devices to be used by -- people with various disabilities. Let's flip your criticism of *my* comment around: can you explain any reason for *your* reply to the original poster -- besides wanting to see your name in print? Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer. Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc. My aunt is blind. I'll hand her my laptop and have her post a message and read the replies if any. Great! Maybe she and Dana can exchange life experiences and how they each cope with their specific issues! You're wasting your time arguing with meathead... He's a child in a man's body, and never will grow up. |
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D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store. I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem, then sent him on his way. Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc. (e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that most sites are geared towards the sighted. I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye, and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late last year that I regained full control of that eye. This is one of the early symptoms of Myasthenia Gravis (I am not claiming that you have MG -- just drawing a parallel). But, with Bell's, don't you also tear a lot? I.e., so you almost *have* to actively close your eye to blink away the tears... NO, I had to use saline solution quite often for the first month or so. Bells's Palsy is caused by the temporary loss of blood flow to the nerves and muscles of the eye, requiring it to regenerate the nerves & muscles. It is one of those conditions they aren't sure of all the causes, but one is a low level infection which I've had problems with for over 35 years. I write HTML in Wordpad to keep the pages compact and fast. I use the bare minimum of code, both for the visually impaired, and those who have to use older computers & browsers. Understood. But even things like page format/layout can be confounding. E.g., trying to recognize columns (think: frames within a page) is very hard for someone not "seeing" the page. No frames, and very few tables. You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the "disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just how well *you* can adapt grin Without text to voice and the ability to touch type, it's worthless. My point is that even *with* text-to-speech (TTS), it is very hard for most people to process information. Many people are highly visual oriented. And, have, after a lifetime, developed their skillsets oriented towards processing information in this way. That's me. I was a Broadcast engineer, I also produced & directed live newscasts, while setting some camera shots. Try, for example, to have a page of text *read* to you and see how much of it you comprehend afterwards. Then, realize that you can't just flick your "ears" back a few paragraphs to review what you heard "back then" -- which is something we constantly do with our eyes as we rescan text that has previously been read for clarifications, etc. I know what you mean. I spent half a day with 'Blind Mike' the blind ham radio operator helping him fine tune his system to where he rarely had to go through a page more than once. Of course, he had several years practice using the software, and had been blind a lot longer so he's had a lot of practice. started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems. Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate) Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive text ? There are DVMs with a serial port. Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc. Someone had written a simple 'serial to text' terminal program for those type DVMs a few years ago. Ah, cool! But, you still need a PC just to read your DMM. I.e., there is a big inconvenience involved. I get annoyed when I don't have enough room for my 5.5 digit DMM and have to resort to using a Simpson VOM just because it's smaller. (yeah, I really should buy an El Cheapo pocket sized DMM but it seems a waste when I have so many others...) $1.99 at Harbor Freight on the 16th, 17th & 18th of this month. Lot numbers 90899/98025 I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any blind repairers? I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 & grin Well, *technically* I can't drive without glasses, either but that's just because the law (here) requires vision corrected to 20/20 in order to drive. If I had to get to the hospital in a hurry and didn't have my eyeglasses handy, I'd have no worse problem than any other driver (especially those "handicapped" by having a cell phone glued to their ear!) I can drive, if I know where I'm going, but I sure can't read any signs without my glasses. Of course it's a heavy fine if I drove without them, and got caught. 20/400 when I entered the US Army in the '70s and has become worse over the decades since. 20/200 is pretty bad. I know a gentleman who is in that shape now. At 12 feet he is effectively "blind". Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently than those losing their vision later in life from things like diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may just not be an option -- especially with the neurological damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes). I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy. Hmmm... I thought gabapentin was for epilepsy? shrug IANAD so I'm just recalling things from memory. Maybe used for anything neurological? I was told it was developed to deal with the pain from Diabetic Neuropathy. things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk a blind client through the process of disassembling the minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory service personnel" do?? frown Not at the factory. I troubleshot MC68340 based embedded controller boards we built in house. I hand soldered 288 pin ICs under a stereo microscope for several years. Then I was moved to our newest product, a VME based telemetry receiver with several DSP & FIR filters per board. You don't scrap new $8,000 boards if you can prevent it. Yes, I was being facetious. My point was that a blind man can still do some checking and repair/replacement. E.g., "Can you verify that all of the cables are fully seated? Can you hear the scanner motor starting up and the carriage moving across the machine? etc." My experience with visually impaired individuals is that they have to rely on memory a lot more than sighted folks do. Whether it is remembering where something is on/in a device or remembering how to do something or remembering where they *put* something. I have found working with deaf people to be much more difficult. Sight is highly directional. So, we have other senses that compensate and alert us to things that are not in front of us (i.e., not in front of our eyes). Hearing being primary among them. Try getting a deaf person's attention if they are not looking in your general direction...! :-/ Spit wads. ;-) Actually, I talk with one character on line who is profoundly deaf, and was blind for several years. A few years ago they managed to return some vision to him. He is a real nut case, like a lot of the disabled people I know. They crack silly jokes about their condition, to cope with their problems rather than become bitter jerks. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Meat, Plow wrote: On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:43:47 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Meat Plow is an angry little man with a huge chip on his shoulder. He should stay on alt.usenet.kooks, where he came from. And you should **** off you pedantic ****wit. And I'm not a little man, I'm 6'3" and around 230lbs. Like I told another poster if you said some of this **** to my person you'd leave crawling spitting teeth along the way. Sigh. You're at least 25 years too late, little man. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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[attributions elided ... along with much of the body] I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye, and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late last year that I regained full control of that eye. This is one of the early symptoms of Myasthenia Gravis (I am not claiming that you have MG -- just drawing a parallel). But, with Bell's, don't you also tear a lot? I.e., so you almost *have* to actively close your eye to blink away the tears... NO, I had to use saline solution quite often for the first month or so. Bells's Palsy is caused by the temporary loss of blood flow to the nerves and muscles of the eye, requiring it to regenerate the nerves & Ah, OK. MG is a breakdown of the nerve-muscle junction. Think of it as the junction becoming "saturated" with use so that it no longer functions. Those junctions that can't "rest" to recover -- eyes, lungs, etc. -- eventually stop working (you die from suffocation with MG) muscles. It is one of those conditions they aren't sure of all the causes, but one is a low level infection which I've had problems with for over 35 years. Understood. My point is that even *with* text-to-speech (TTS), it is very hard for most people to process information. Many people are highly visual oriented. And, have, after a lifetime, developed their skillsets oriented towards processing information in this way. That's me. I was a Broadcast engineer, I also produced & directed live newscasts, while setting some camera shots. I have tried to learn to use "audio books" just to get some sense of what it must be like. However, I just can't process things through my ears as well as my eyes. : So, it is hard for me to relate my experiences to someone who is visually impaired. Try, for example, to have a page of text *read* to you and see how much of it you comprehend afterwards. Then, realize that you can't just flick your "ears" back a few paragraphs to review what you heard "back then" -- which is something we constantly do with our eyes as we rescan text that has previously been read for clarifications, etc. I know what you mean. I spent half a day with 'Blind Mike' the blind ham radio operator helping him fine tune his system to where he rarely had to go through a page more than once. Of course, he had several years practice using the software, and had been blind a lot longer so he's had a lot of practice. Just listening to a speech synthesizer can be an eye-opening experience to folks who've not had to rely on that technology. Your *ears* "get tired" (I don't know of any other way to explain it!) Ah, cool! But, you still need a PC just to read your DMM. I.e., there is a big inconvenience involved. I get annoyed when I don't have enough room for my 5.5 digit DMM and have to resort to using a Simpson VOM just because it's smaller. (yeah, I really should buy an El Cheapo pocket sized DMM but it seems a waste when I have so many others...) $1.99 at Harbor Freight on the 16th, 17th & 18th of this month. Lot numbers 90899/98025 grin Yeah, but then it would be one more thing to keep track of! At least the big meters are easy to find (they can't hide under things as easily as a pocket DMM) It does make you wonder how they can make things that cheap! Scary. Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 & grin Well, *technically* I can't drive without glasses, either but that's just because the law (here) requires vision corrected to 20/20 in order to drive. If I had to get to the hospital in a hurry and didn't have my eyeglasses handy, I'd have no worse problem than any other driver (especially those "handicapped" by having a cell phone glued to their ear!) I can drive, if I know where I'm going, but I sure can't read any For years, I've been reading street signs by "counting letters" and guessing at distinctive shapes -- "5 letters and looks like the first letter is round... probably Olive Street..." -- despite the fact that I have 20/20 corrected vision. signs without my glasses. Of course it's a heavy fine if I drove without them, and got caught. An interesting corollary: if you have a vision restriction on your license and then have corrective surgery that restores your vision (e.g., cataract surgery), you *still* must wear your glasses in order to drive -- even though the glasses will now give you *imperfect* vision! I.e., you need to have your license updated to have the restriction removed before you can legally drive with your "new eyes". This makes *some* sense but is actually counterintuitive to many folks who have been down this road... I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy. Hmmm... I thought gabapentin was for epilepsy? shrug IANAD so I'm just recalling things from memory. Maybe used for anything neurological? I was told it was developed to deal with the pain from Diabetic Neuropathy. Ah. My experience with visually impaired individuals is that they have to rely on memory a lot more than sighted folks do. Whether it is remembering where something is on/in a device or remembering how to do something or remembering where they *put* something. I have found working with deaf people to be much more difficult. Sight is highly directional. So, we have other senses that compensate and alert us to things that are not in front of us (i.e., not in front of our eyes). Hearing being primary among them. Try getting a deaf person's attention if they are not looking in your general direction...! :-/ Spit wads. ;-) Yes! : A pair of (old) neighbors were deaf. When trying to get their attention I would resort to tossing pebbles. Always afraid that I would *hit* one of them, though... : Actually, I talk with one character on line who is profoundly deaf, and was blind for several years. A few years ago they managed to return some vision to him. He is a real nut case, like a lot of the disabled people I know. They crack silly jokes about their condition, to cope with their problems rather than become bitter jerks. There are "all sorts". I was first exposed to that population as a teenager. I can recall asking a client that I had developed a friendship with: "What's it like to be blind? What do you see?" and, almost as soon as I had finished saying that, realized how stupid my question was. As a testament to how cool this guy was, his reply was, "Don, if you can tell me what *you* see, then I'll tell you what *I* see.". Of course, I still felt bad for askingn such a stupid question. But, it forced me to think about the problem and keep it in mind when I design things. For example, 1 in 15 men are color blind (to some extent). Ask your kids' teachers if they know that figure. In practical terms, it means that one boy in each classroom can't reliably distinguish colors. Do they know that when they formulate their lesson plans? "How many red balls are in this picture? How many green balls are there?" "Press the RED button to shut down the nuclear reactor in the event of a disaster. Press the GREEN button to restart it." : |
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D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: [attributions elided ... along with much of the body] I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye, and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late last year that I regained full control of that eye. This is one of the early symptoms of Myasthenia Gravis (I am not claiming that you have MG -- just drawing a parallel). But, with Bell's, don't you also tear a lot? I.e., so you almost *have* to actively close your eye to blink away the tears... NO, I had to use saline solution quite often for the first month or so. Bells's Palsy is caused by the temporary loss of blood flow to the nerves and muscles of the eye, requiring it to regenerate the nerves & Ah, OK. MG is a breakdown of the nerve-muscle junction. Think of it as the junction becoming "saturated" with use so that it no longer functions. Those junctions that can't "rest" to recover -- eyes, lungs, etc. -- eventually stop working (you die from suffocation with MG) muscles. It is one of those conditions they aren't sure of all the causes, but one is a low level infection which I've had problems with for over 35 years. Understood. My point is that even *with* text-to-speech (TTS), it is very hard for most people to process information. Many people are highly visual oriented. And, have, after a lifetime, developed their skillsets oriented towards processing information in this way. That's me. I was a Broadcast engineer, I also produced & directed live newscasts, while setting some camera shots. I have tried to learn to use "audio books" just to get some sense of what it must be like. However, I just can't process things through my ears as well as my eyes. : So, it is hard for me to relate my experiences to someone who is visually impaired. Try, for example, to have a page of text *read* to you and see how much of it you comprehend afterwards. Then, realize that you can't just flick your "ears" back a few paragraphs to review what you heard "back then" -- which is something we constantly do with our eyes as we rescan text that has previously been read for clarifications, etc. I know what you mean. I spent half a day with 'Blind Mike' the blind ham radio operator helping him fine tune his system to where he rarely had to go through a page more than once. Of course, he had several years practice using the software, and had been blind a lot longer so he's had a lot of practice. Just listening to a speech synthesizer can be an eye-opening experience to folks who've not had to rely on that technology. Your *ears* "get tired" (I don't know of any other way to explain it!) Ah, cool! But, you still need a PC just to read your DMM. I.e., there is a big inconvenience involved. I get annoyed when I don't have enough room for my 5.5 digit DMM and have to resort to using a Simpson VOM just because it's smaller. (yeah, I really should buy an El Cheapo pocket sized DMM but it seems a waste when I have so many others...) $1.99 at Harbor Freight on the 16th, 17th & 18th of this month. Lot numbers 90899/98025 grin Yeah, but then it would be one more thing to keep track of! At least the big meters are easy to find (they can't hide under things as easily as a pocket DMM) It does make you wonder how they can make things that cheap! Scary. Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind". I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 & grin Well, *technically* I can't drive without glasses, either but that's just because the law (here) requires vision corrected to 20/20 in order to drive. If I had to get to the hospital in a hurry and didn't have my eyeglasses handy, I'd have no worse problem than any other driver (especially those "handicapped" by having a cell phone glued to their ear!) I can drive, if I know where I'm going, but I sure can't read any For years, I've been reading street signs by "counting letters" and guessing at distinctive shapes -- "5 letters and looks like the first letter is round... probably Olive Street..." -- despite the fact that I have 20/20 corrected vision. signs without my glasses. Of course it's a heavy fine if I drove without them, and got caught. An interesting corollary: if you have a vision restriction on your license and then have corrective surgery that restores your vision (e.g., cataract surgery), you *still* must wear your glasses in order to drive -- even though the glasses will now give you *imperfect* vision! I.e., you need to have your license updated to have the restriction removed before you can legally drive with your "new eyes". This makes *some* sense but is actually counterintuitive to many folks who have been down this road... Your doctor can issue a letter explaining your condition, till time to renew your license. I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy. Hmmm... I thought gabapentin was for epilepsy? shrug IANAD so I'm just recalling things from memory. Maybe used for anything neurological? I was told it was developed to deal with the pain from Diabetic Neuropathy. Ah. My experience with visually impaired individuals is that they have to rely on memory a lot more than sighted folks do. Whether it is remembering where something is on/in a device or remembering how to do something or remembering where they *put* something. I have found working with deaf people to be much more difficult. Sight is highly directional. So, we have other senses that compensate and alert us to things that are not in front of us (i.e., not in front of our eyes). Hearing being primary among them. Try getting a deaf person's attention if they are not looking in your general direction...! :-/ Spit wads. ;-) Yes! : A pair of (old) neighbors were deaf. When trying to get their attention I would resort to tossing pebbles. Always afraid that I would *hit* one of them, though... : It wouldn't bother some of them, if they had a good sense of humor, and knew it was just meant to get their attention. Actually, I talk with one character on line who is profoundly deaf, and was blind for several years. A few years ago they managed to return some vision to him. He is a real nut case, like a lot of the disabled people I know. They crack silly jokes about their condition, to cope with their problems rather than become bitter jerks. There are "all sorts". I was first exposed to that population as a teenager. I can recall asking a client that I had developed a friendship with: "What's it like to be blind? What do you see?" and, almost as soon as I had finished saying that, realized how stupid my question was. As a testament to how cool this guy was, his reply was, "Don, if you can tell me what *you* see, then I'll tell you what *I* see.". Some can sense light or dark, and some moving color blobs. Others have no sensation to light. Of course, I still felt bad for asking such a stupid question. But, it forced me to think about the problem and keep it in mind when I design things. Asking stupid questions can help you get a feel for their problems. I repaired some low vision cameras & monitors for a school system years ago. The looks on the kid's faces when they could read again was priceless. For example, 1 in 15 men are color blind (to some extent). Ask your kids' teachers if they know that figure. In practical terms, it means that one boy in each classroom can't reliably distinguish colors. Do they know that when they formulate their lesson plans? "How many red balls are in this picture? How many green balls are there?" "Press the RED button to shut down the nuclear reactor in the event of a disaster. Press the GREEN button to restart it." "Cut the red wire to disarm the warhead." of course, I've made a lot of wiring harnesses out of a single color & gauge to keep people from messing with them. I hated spending half a day repairing a test fixture, just to have some moron screw it up. When they open it up and see over 100 light green 22 AWG stranded wires, they didn't try to 'improve' it, to pass a bad module. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote in message
... D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: [attributions elided ... along with much of the body] -- A registered (not quite) blind person, I know, had great difficulty with locked-down sites with no text size change option. No one had told him about highlighting with CTL-A, then CTL-C and then CTL-V into a basic text handler , notepad/wordpad or whatever , where he could easily increase text size and more importantly use a negative script. Every now and then a poorly-sighted browser praises my gimmic-free pages on the www , just text and pics -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://diverse.4mg.com/index.htm |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
D Yuniskis wrote: Of course, I still felt bad for asking such a stupid question. But, it forced me to think about the problem and keep it in mind when I design things. Asking stupid questions can help you get a feel for their problems. I repaired some low vision cameras & monitors for a school system years ago. The looks on the kid's faces when they could read again was priceless. When we would install a Reading Machine at a new site, it was always "priceless" to watch the expression on the client's face as they first started using the machine. The synthesizer was *really* had to get used to -- the stereotypical "computer voice". You could see the client straining to make sense out of these grating noises coming from the speaker. The inflection was suboptimal, prosody was stilted, etc. But, there would come a point where you could *see* when they had started to understand complete sentences. Their eyes would literally "light up". You could almost hear their thoughts afterwards: "Now I can read ___________ without having to get someone to read it *to* me!" (Libraries carrying materials for the visually impaired had dreadfully small collections at the time. And, waiting lists for popular titles would often be *years* -- Braille is expensive to produce; synthetic forms are "hard on the hands". And, anything current -- like last *month's* news paper -- are almost completely unattainable due to transcription times and costs.) I can remember a client grinning that he would now be able to read Playboy (which seemed like doubly funny -- "Does anyone actually *read* those magazines?") For example, 1 in 15 men are color blind (to some extent). Ask your kids' teachers if they know that figure. In practical terms, it means that one boy in each classroom can't reliably distinguish colors. Do they know that when they formulate their lesson plans? "How many red balls are in this picture? How many green balls are there?" "Press the RED button to shut down the nuclear reactor in the event of a disaster. Press the GREEN button to restart it." "Cut the red wire to disarm the warhead." of course, I've made a lot of wiring harnesses out of a single color & gauge to keep people from messing with them. I hated spending half a day repairing a test fixture, just to have some moron screw it up. When they open it up and see over 100 light green 22 AWG stranded wires, they didn't try to 'improve' it, to pass a bad module. The military used to place a special premium on color blindness ages ago. Most camouflage is easier for a color blind person to spot than for someone who is not. I guess the perception of color aids to the confusion of what the mind sees. |
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N_Cook wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote in message ... D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: [attributions elided ... along with much of the body] -- A registered (not quite) blind person, I know, had great difficulty with locked-down sites with no text size change option. No one had told him about highlighting with CTL-A, then CTL-C and then CTL-V into a basic text handler , notepad/wordpad or whatever , where he could easily increase text size and more importantly use a negative script. Negative script == white on black. I don't understand why this is the case but this does seem to be easier for folks with *low* vision to read. Every now and then a poorly-sighted browser praises my gimmic-free pages on the www , just text and pics For years, I used a text only browser to surf the web. Even now I disable images -- since most are just advertisements. Why waste bandwidth on something that benefits an advertiser? If I *need* to look at an image, I'll *know* which one(s) I'll need to see. |
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D Yuniskis wrote in message
... N_Cook wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote in message ... D Yuniskis wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: [attributions elided ... along with much of the body] -- A registered (not quite) blind person, I know, had great difficulty with locked-down sites with no text size change option. No one had told him about highlighting with CTL-A, then CTL-C and then CTL-V into a basic text handler , notepad/wordpad or whatever , where he could easily increase text size and more importantly use a negative script. Negative script == white on black. I don't understand why this is the case but this does seem to be easier for folks with *low* vision to read. Every now and then a poorly-sighted browser praises my gimmic-free pages on the www , just text and pics For years, I used a text only browser to surf the web. Even now I disable images -- since most are just advertisements. Why waste bandwidth on something that benefits an advertiser? If I *need* to look at an image, I'll *know* which one(s) I'll need to see. This schematic was originally the negative form etched into a side panel of the first? miniature oscilloscope. http://www.diverse.4mg.com/miniscope11.jpg This inversion of the original is much easier to read, size for size etc otherwise the same pic. Try saving to a graphics package and doing the negative of it -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://diverse.4mg.com/index.htm |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:56 -0500 Meat Plow wrote in Message id:
: The fact is I'm not polite or proper just to 'fit in'. Why don't you go back to picking on the mentally handicapped in alt.usenet.kooks, Meat Clod? It's more your speed, you impotent little ****-flap. And if some of the replies I get from people on Usenet had been done in person, some people would have been crawling away missing some teeth. We're all shaking in our boots. Really we are. *Guffaw* |
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On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:23:02 -0500 PeterD wrote in
Message id: : On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:47:21 -0500, Meat Plow . wrote: On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote: I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem. Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read a volt meter. Meathead, what a frickin moron you are... There is no need to see to type. You're a complete ass, beginning to end. Some say the best part of his daddy ran down his mother's leg, while she was bent over the dumpster behind the Quickie Mart. Or so I've heard. |
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