I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Dana wrote:
I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it
will boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap
top that is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's
battery and it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to
check the voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on
the terminals on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this
problem before. E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located
in Georgia and have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing
out the problem.

I do not know what model you have, but I trust you are aware of the
problem that some Satellite models had with the power connector jack??
List what model you are dealing with and perhaps someone can help. The
model I have will power up and boot without a battery if you use the
power adapter to power the unit. If yours will not, it could be that is
why your battery is bad and swapping another from a friend worked.

Meat Plow wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.


Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio
operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to
speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him
to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application
software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless
the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up
the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store.

I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had
let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my
shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD
controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base
address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem,
then sent him on his way.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Michael A. Terrell wrote in message
news

Meat Plow wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it
will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top
that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery
and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the
terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem
before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.


Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio
operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to
speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him
to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application
software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless
the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up
the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store.

I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had
let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my
shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD
controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base
address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem,
then sent him on his way.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically
anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash
mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having
started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems.

Are there stand alobne DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive
text ?
I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any
blind repairers ?

test-only terminals -- text-only terminals

N_Cook wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote in message
news

Meat Plow wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it
will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top
that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery
and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the
terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem
before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.


Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio
operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to
speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him
to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application
software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless
the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up
the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store.

I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had
let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my
shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD
controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base
address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem,
then sent him on his way.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically
anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash
mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having
started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems.

Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive
text ?


There are DVMs with a serial port.


I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any
blind repairers?


I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some
things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube
based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were
severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about
45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to
repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been
over 30 years since I've seen any of them.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote in message

Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio
operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to
speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him
to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application
software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless
the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up
the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store.

I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had
let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my
shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD
controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base
address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem,
then sent him on his way.

Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically
anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash
mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having

Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that
people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc.
(e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that
most sites are geared towards the sighted.

You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the
"disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these
interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just
how well *you* can adapt grin

started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems.

Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate)

Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive
text ?

There are DVMs with a serial port.

Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial
port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech
synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc.

I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any
blind repairers?

I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some

Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind".
Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play
a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently
than those losing their vision later in life from things like
diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may
just not be an option -- especially with the neurological
damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes).

things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube

Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device
that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it
was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a
dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did
not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk
a blind client through the process of disassembling the
minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated
or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory
service personnel" do?? frown

based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were
severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about
45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to
repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been
over 30 years since I've seen any of them.

D Yuniskis wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
N_Cook wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote in message

Once again proving what an asshole you can be. I know a ham radio
operator who is completely blind. He can touch type and uses text to
speech software to use E-mail nd browse the web. Another ham taught him
to assemble a computer form scratch, and install the OS and application
software after his asshole boss made a comment about how F'ing useless
the blind ham was. The funny part was the blind ham assembled & set up
the computer faster that the friend's boss who owned the computer store.

I met him about 15 years ago when he had computer problems, and had
let Best Buy work on it since they were only a few miles away, and my
shop was over an hour away. They had installed two additional HD
controller cards along with the original, all set for the same base
address and IRQs. I pulled the new cards and found a minor problem,
then sent him on his way.

Its probably easier for blind contributors on Usenet than practically
anywhere else on the www because of all the bloated sites /frames / flash
mangling and obscuring whatever info is buried in there. Usenet having

Exactly. Note that there are some (voluntary) standards that
people can adopt to make "blind friendly" web pages, etc.
(e.g., "Bobby Approved"). However, it is painfully obvious that
most sites are geared towards the sighted.


I had a Bell's Palsy in my right eye in May of 2008. My left eye is
mostly for decoration, so I was almost blind for eight months, and could
only see what was visible out of the bottom left corner of my right eye,
and only when I could hold the lid open with my fingers. It was late
last year that I regained full control of that eye.

I write HTML in Wordpad to keep the pages compact and fast. I use the
bare minimum of code, both for the visually impaired, and those who have
to use older computers & browsers.


You will also discover -- should you ever try to use the
"disability features" in your Mac/PC -- how clumsy these
interfaces can be. Turn your monitor off and see just
how well *you* can adapt grin


Without text to voice and the ability to touch type, it's worthless.


started with test-only terminals and 400 baud or so modems.

Maybe 300 baud? (400 isn't a standard baud rate)

Are there stand alone DVMs with voiced output ?, pc scopes with descriptive
text ?

There are DVMs with a serial port.

Yes. But then you need a speech synthesizer that has a serial
port (DECTalk, DECTalk express, etc.). Or, nowadays, a speech
synthesizer running on your PC tethered to the DMM, etc.


Someone had written a simple 'serial to text' terminal program for
those type DVMs a few years ago.


I imagine there are electronic repairers with poor sight , but are there any
blind repairers?

I've known a couple who were legally blind. They could make out some

Note that there is a difference between "legally blind" and "blind".


I have been on the edge of legally blind all my life. I am not
allowed to drive without my glasses. My vision was below 20/200 &
20/400 when I entered the US Army in the '70s and has become worse over
the decades since.


Also, the cause of blindness and its relative onset in life play
a big factor. For example, those blind from birth adjust differently
than those losing their vision later in life from things like
diabetic retinopathy (e.g., learning Braille in your 60's may
just not be an option -- especially with the neurological
damage that accompanies a disease like diabetes).


I'm on Gabapentin for Diabetic Neuropathy.



things with special glasses, but they only worked with simple, tube

Decades ago, I worked on the Kurzweil Reading Machine (a device
that "reads books" to the visually impaired). At the time, it
was implemented with a minicomputer (i.e., the size of a
dishwasher) and a hand-built scanner (consumer scanners did
not exist back then). It was not uncommon for us to talk
a blind client through the process of disassembling the
minicomputer to the point where boards could be reseated
or swapped out. Nowadays, isn't that all *real* "factory
service personnel" do?? frown


Not at the factory. I troubleshot MC68340 based embedded controller
boards we built in house. I hand soldered 288 pin ICs under a stereo
microscope for several years. Then I was moved to our newest product, a
VME based telemetry receiver with several DSP & FIR filters per board.
You don't scrap new $8,000 boards if you can prevent it.


based equipment. Another tech I knew was handicapped. His arms were
severely twisted, and he couldn't hold his head upright. It leaned about
45 degrees to his right, so he would lean even further to his right to
repair tube radios & TVs. I wonder what happened to them? It's been
over 30 years since I've seen any of them.


Meat Plow is an angry little man with a huge chip on his shoulder.
He should stay on alt.usenet.kooks, where he came from.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Meat Plow wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.

frown This was uncalled for.

Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer.
Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc.

It is unfortunate that so many devices that we interact with
on a daily basis take sight -- as well as hearing -- for
granted, needlessly. Think about what's around you and how
you would interact with it if you were visually impaired;
or hearing impaired; or suffered from tremor; or any of the
dozens of other problems that many folks deal with every day
(if you live long enough, you *will* go blind *and* deaf!)

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:44:04 -0700, D Yuniskis
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.
Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.
frown This was uncalled for.

Aren't there issues in your local community where you could vent your
disdain for usefull purpose?

I spend a good deal of time dealing with -- and designing
devices to be used by -- people with various disabilities.

Let's flip your criticism of *my* comment around: can
you explain any reason for *your* reply to the original
poster -- besides wanting to see your name in print?

Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer.
Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc.

My aunt is blind. I'll hand her my laptop and have her post a message
and read the replies if any.

Great! Maybe she and Dana can exchange life experiences
and how they each cope with their specific issues!

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:39:09 -0700, D Yuniskis
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:44:04 -0700, D Yuniskis
wrote:

Meat Plow wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.
Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.
frown This was uncalled for.

Aren't there issues in your local community where you could vent your
disdain for usefull purpose?

I spend a good deal of time dealing with -- and designing
devices to be used by -- people with various disabilities.

Let's flip your criticism of *my* comment around: can
you explain any reason for *your* reply to the original
poster -- besides wanting to see your name in print?

Sight isn't necessary to interact with a computer.
Especially in a forum like this -- devoid of useless graphics, etc.

My aunt is blind. I'll hand her my laptop and have her post a message
and read the replies if any.

Great! Maybe she and Dana can exchange life experiences
and how they each cope with their specific issues!

You're wasting your time arguing with meathead... He's a child in a
man's body, and never will grow up.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:56 -0500 Meat Plow wrote in Message id:
:

The fact is I'm not polite or proper just to 'fit in'.

Why don't you go back to picking on the mentally handicapped in
alt.usenet.kooks, Meat Clod? It's more your speed, you impotent little
****-flap.

And if some of
the replies I get from people on Usenet had been done in person, some
people would have been crawling away missing some teeth.

We're all shaking in our boots. Really we are.

*Guffaw*

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:47:21 -0500, Meat Plow . wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.

Meathead, what a frickin moron you are... There is no need to see to
type. You're a complete ass, beginning to end.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:23:02 -0500 PeterD wrote in
Message id: :

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:47:21 -0500, Meat Plow . wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:26:10 -0500, Dana wrote:

I know you have to make sure the battery is in the computer before it will
boot. Does anyone know of a way around this? I have a toshiba lap top that
is about 5 years old, and it won't boot. I did try a friend's battery and
it worked then. I am blind and will have to get someone to check the
voltage on the power supply and make sure we have voltage on the terminals
on the computer also. Bet some of you guys have had this problem before.
E-mail me back to this address if you can help. Located in Georgia and
have unlimited long distance. Not verry good at typing out the problem.

Seems you can type pretty good for being so blind that you can't read
a volt meter.

Meathead, what a frickin moron you are... There is no need to see to
type. You're a complete ass, beginning to end.

Some say the best part of his daddy ran down his mother's leg, while she
was bent over the dumpster behind the Quickie Mart.

Or so I've heard.