Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony

TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.

propman wrote in message
...
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.



Is anyone aware of any false exclusions from the eternal-sept version or
other providers with filtering?
I looked at Google, so-called groups, the other day and it is stuffed to the
gunwales with it, not surpring as most comes via their entry point. What is
Google's game ? more advertising revenue stream ?
ships overloaded to the gunwales tend to capsize


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

propman wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.



Thanks for that. I should have known, my provider has just outsourced to giganews.

Tony

TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony

Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message
filters and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but
they don't appear to care.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

"Phil Hobbs" wrote in message
m...
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

Tony

Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message filters
and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but they don't
appear to care.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

You can set perfectly adequate filters in most newsreaders, including the
much maligned OE, as has been discussed endlessly on this group, every few
weeks, for the last year ...

Just do a search on "spam" on this group, and you will come up with more
fixes for the problem, than you can wave a stick at.

Arfa

Phil Hobbs wrote:

Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird. Then you can set message
filters and get rid of that crap. It's mostly coming via Google, but
they don't appear to care.

Oh, I think they care very much. IMHO what they care about is the amount of
newsgroups, the number of postings, the number of signed up users, and the
fact they can claim that they do not censor "Google Groups" in any way.

All of which sounds good on paper, but it encourages exactly the behaviour
we don't want.

Many people filter out Google postings 100%, what would be really nice to have
would be a news reader that could filter out most of the crap, if not all
from Google Groups and leave the rest.

I used to filter out Google 100% with my newsreader (slrn), but found that
I was seeing too many replies to postings from Google that I would have
liked to have read. So I turned that filter off and suffer. :-)

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM

TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

....and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...rl:www&num=100

TonyS wrote:
propman wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Might want to try getting your non-binary related news feed from the
following free access news server:

news.eternal-september.org

I've seen quite a few posts in this newsgroup complaing about the spam
but hardly ever see any myself because the above news server is
filtering it out.



Thanks for that. I should have known, my provider has just outsourced to
giganews.

Tony


If you decide to subscribe to their service, take note of the special
steps taken when first downloading the newsgroups.rc and the
username/password sequence; details, IIRC, are available on their website.

JeffM wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...rl:www&num=100

Thanks for the links. I use Thunderbird and will look into this.
The strange thing is that never before I saw the need for any spam filter.

I do filter out certain unpleasant posters, which is only partly useful as I
still see the posts that reply to the OP.

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across spam of
this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really ****ed things up around here.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

David Nebenzahl wrote in message
s.com...
On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really ****ed things up around here.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
bought by guess who?


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

On 10/27/2009 12:19 AM N_Cook spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote in message
s.com...

On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:

I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.

Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really ****ed things up around here.

It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
bought by guess who?

Yes it was. Let's not forget who ****ed it all up. It was those
"geniuses" over there in Mountain View.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.



...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...rl:www&num=100

JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.



...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...rl:www&num=100

TonyS wrote:
JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.

So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry

TonyS wrote:
JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?

Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.

You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.

effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.

So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry

Jerry Peters wrote:
TonyS wrote:

So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry

I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.

Tony

Jerry Peters wrote:
TonyS wrote:

So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.

Jerry

I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.

Tony

In article ,
TonyS wrote:

I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam
in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.

You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

In article ,
TonyS wrote:

I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam
in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.

That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.

You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave Platt wrote:
In article ,
TonyS wrote:


You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.


Thanks but this would take things too far for me :-)

Dave Platt wrote:
In article ,
TonyS wrote:


You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.


Thanks but this would take things too far for me :-)

On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS
wrote:

Where is all this spam coming from?

Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.

Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/

Is there anything that can be done about it?

1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).
3. Complain to your usenet provider.
4. Tell Google that they've switched from "Do no evil" to being the
source of much evil. They need to do some enforcement, but that's
difficult since usenet news does not generate any advertising revenue.
5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:
http://www.nfilter.org
http://www.fitnwell.net/nfilter.htm
http://www.subgenius.com/updates/X0018_Nfilter-_A_Spam_Filt.html
http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/nfilter_faq_modified.html
This is old technology, but still works quite well.

Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?

It's not just for sale advertising that's a problem. There's also
political, religious, flying saucer, and personal agenda advertising.
Enforcement at the source is almost impossible.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

TonyS wrote:
Is there anything that can be done about it?

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
4. Tell Google that they've switched from "Do no evil"
to being the source of much evil.
They need to do some enforcement, but that's difficult
since usenet news does not generate any advertising revenue.

Actually, Google Groups includes in their pagefeeds
an iframe called http://groups.google.com/groups/adfetch?...
(unless you block that, as I do).

5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:

....and Platt has already mentioned Leafnode.

In the parallel thread,

Webb mentioned the concept
but didn't mention the software he uses (Hamster ).
This has all been discussed numerous times:
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...url:www&num=50

Google's listing of this genre omits nFilter/NewsProxy. 8-(
http://google.com/search?q=cache:1rB...U+us+Win9x-*-*

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT), JeffM
wrote:

5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:

...and Platt has already mentioned Leafnode.

They're not quite the same. NewsProxy/nfilter are filters that
operate in the news reader. Leafnode is a full usenet news server,
where you read and archive your news locally. It does have a built in
filter suitable for filtering out spam. Leafnode is great if you
happen to have a dedicated Unix server handy that's running 24x7x365.

Full disclosu I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews
running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were only 16
newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite. I've also helped
admin, moderate, and monitor usenet news servers and groups, a
nightmare I never wish to repeat.

History of Usenet (according to Giganews):
http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/
http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/sitemap.html


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Full disclosu I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews
running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were
only 16 newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite.
I've also helped admin, moderate, and monitor
usenet news servers and groups,
a nightmare I never wish to repeat.

I figured something like that.
I was just tacking on some more ideas for the OP.

....and most folks don't pay much mind
to the nuances of Google Groups
--not even those who use it for daily Usenet access. 8-(

History of Usenet (according to Giganews):
http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/

That's a useful once-over-lightly page
--certainly better than Wikipedia's page on Usenet
which gets deep really fast.

Bob Larter wrote:
TonyS wrote:

In Thunderbird, you can set up multiple news providers. (via New
Account.) Use eternal-september for the public groups, & only use
Giganews for your local groups.


Yes, thats what I am doing now.
Just for good measure I am trying my spam filter on giganews.
Sort of works now actually.

:-D

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS
wrote:

Where is all this spam coming from?

Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.

Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/

Is there anything that can be done about it?

1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).

But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.

Jerry

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:43:43 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).

But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.
Jerry

That's not the problem. The various China vendors generally ship
something. The problem is getting stuck with fake Viagra.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19953177/
"In April last year, a tip from Pfizer Inc., the maker of Viagra, also
led to the arrest in Shanghai of a suspect identified only by his
surname Huang, who allegedly sold fake Viagra and other brands of
medicine... Most drugs with the Viagra label sold in China are bogus
versions. Six months after Viagra was introduced, state media reported
that 90 percent of the little blue pills sold in Shanghai were fake."
Mo

"Fake Viagra: Organized Crime's New Goods"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_336813.html

"Bogus Viagra Business Booms"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/02/eveningnews/main524109.shtml

"Over 120Kgs Of Fake Viagra Seized"
http://www.ukmedix.com/viagra/over_120kgs_of_fake_viagra_seized4453.cfm

"Feds seize fake Viagra at Miami International Airport"
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/sfl-fake-viagra-seized-bn102309,0,5608667.story

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:43:43 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS
wrote:

Where is all this spam coming from?

Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.

Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?

Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/

Is there anything that can be done about it?

1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).

But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.

Jerry

According to Al Gore, very good...

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:43:43 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
wrote:

Jeff Liebermann wrote:
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).

But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.
Jerry

That's not the problem. The various China vendors generally ship
something. The problem is getting stuck with fake Viagra.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19953177/
"In April last year, a tip from Pfizer Inc., the maker of Viagra, also
led to the arrest in Shanghai of a suspect identified only by his
surname Huang, who allegedly sold fake Viagra and other brands of
medicine... Most drugs with the Viagra label sold in China are bogus
versions. Six months after Viagra was introduced, state media reported
that 90 percent of the little blue pills sold in Shanghai were fake."
Mo

"Fake Viagra: Organized Crime's New Goods"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_336813.html

"Bogus Viagra Business Booms"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/02/eveningnews/main524109.shtml

"Over 120Kgs Of Fake Viagra Seized"
http://www.ukmedix.com/viagra/over_120kgs_of_fake_viagra_seized4453.cfm

"Feds seize fake Viagra at Miami International Airport"
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/sfl-fake-viagra-seized-bn102309,0,5608667.story

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


I bought some and took three to be on the safe side. Got a stiff neck ...
:-)

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 20:43:43 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters
wrote:


Jeff Liebermann wrote:

2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).

But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.
Jerry

That's not the problem. The various China vendors generally ship
something. The problem is getting stuck with fake Viagra.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19953177/
"In April last year, a tip from Pfizer Inc., the maker of Viagra, also
led to the arrest in Shanghai of a suspect identified only by his
surname Huang, who allegedly sold fake Viagra and other brands of
medicine... Most drugs with the Viagra label sold in China are bogus
versions. Six months after Viagra was introduced, state media reported
that 90 percent of the little blue pills sold in Shanghai were fake."
Mo

"Fake Viagra: Organized Crime's New Goods"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_336813.html

"Bogus Viagra Business Booms"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/02/eveningnews/main524109.shtml

"Over 120Kgs Of Fake Viagra Seized"
http://www.ukmedix.com/viagra/over_120kgs_of_fake_viagra_seized4453.cfm

"Feds seize fake Viagra at Miami International Airport"
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/florida/sfl-fake-viagra-seized-bn102309,0,5608667.story

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I bought some and took three to be on the safe side. Got a stiff neck ...
:-)

Arfa


Are you sure you were the one that took the viagra ?

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:52:19 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

I bought some and took three to be on the safe side. Got a stiff neck ...
:-)

Arfa

Close. Now we know how the Bits "maintain a stiff upper lip":
http://www.sterlingtimes.org/memorable_images61.htm

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