I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT

WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(

On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 04:35:26 -0000, PhattyMo wrote:

WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(

I've seen the same number of faults with Maxtors. And Seagates. And Western Digitals. I can only conclude all drives are equal.

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:35:26 -0800, PhattyMo wrote:


WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

WT


Oy,There's a reason those drives got the nickname "deathstar".
I had one,until I tossed it out. :-(


I've got two 40 gig DeathStars on a Promise ATA RAID 1 controller
inside a P3-800 box that I used to use for a work PC. It ran
continuously for 2 years before being replaced by a Dell. Although I
haven't fired it up in a year I have no doubt that it will work. I was
under the assumption that the DeathStar laptop drive earned the
reputation rather than the desktop drives, maybe I'm wrong.

I don't think the problems were (are?) limited to laptop drives.

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 03:42:07 -0000, WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

How much is the data worth?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=280222608592

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On Nov 7, 10:42*pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. *My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. *Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

* WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?

The only real solution is to find someone like OnTrack who can take
your drive apart in a Clean Room and read the data on the platters.
The outfits which do this have a lock on the market and know they can
screw users into paying any amount they choose to charge to do this.
(because companies are usually happy to pay any amount to do this).
As you have probably found out. These companies even have intricate
programs which con you into believing that they can do this and are
the only people who can. If it was so easy to get drives working
again, dont you think they would be able to repair your drive?

When you do this, the next problem appears which is that the will send
you DVDs with thousands of numbered directories and tens of thousands
of (numbered, not named) files on them which will take you hundreds of
hours to go through.

In article , wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:42=A0pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. =A0My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. =A0Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

=A0 WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?


I have repaired many different brands of drives by replacing the logic board
from a known good drive to a bad drive.Saved many 18GB WD drives back then.
After i recovered the data, i replaced the boad back on the good drive.

The only real solution is to find someone like OnTrack who can take
your drive apart in a Clean Room and read the data on the platters.
The outfits which do this have a lock on the market and know they can
screw users into paying any amount they choose to charge to do this.
(because companies are usually happy to pay any amount to do this).
As you have probably found out. These companies even have intricate
programs which con you into believing that they can do this and are
the only people who can. If it was so easy to get drives working
again, dont you think they would be able to repair your drive?

When you do this, the next problem appears which is that the will send
you DVDs with thousands of numbered directories and tens of thousands
of (numbered, not named) files on them which will take you hundreds of
hours to go through.

On Nov 9, 2:11*pm, (GMAN) wrote:
In article , wrote:





On Nov 7, 10:42=A0pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. =A0My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. =A0Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

=A0 WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

Besides, why are you so sure it is some part wihch can be switched?

I have repaired many different brands of drives by replacing the logic board
from a known good drive to a bad drive.Saved many 18GB WD drives back then.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, wrote:

On Nov 7, 10:42*pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. *My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. *Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

* WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive? And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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On Nov 10, 1:48*pm, "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:42*pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. *My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. *Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

* WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive? *And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:17:48 -0000, wrote:

On Nov 10, 1:48*pm, "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:31:18 -0000, wrote:
On Nov 7, 10:42*pm, WT wrote:
I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. *My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. *Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

* WT

I have had this problem before a few times and have tried changing the
logic board on the drives, NEVER with any success.

Hitachi says this is because you have to find a drive with the same
FIRMWARE (whatever that means with a disc drive!) and in practice you
never will. There are complex pieces of astronomically expensive
equipment designed to re-write firmware, none apparently which do this
to failed drives.

But surely you can change the firmware of the good drive? *And you can do it with software, at least I just did it with a bank of Maxtor SCSI drives on a server.

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Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?

The maxtor site will not hand out firmware, they say to consult the system manufacturer. In my case it was a Dell poweredge server, and Dell gave me the firmware (on a bootable CD). I think the difference is they are SCSI drives, and firmware is more important?

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:

Interesting! i tried that and all I found was that to change the
firmware on a Travelstar, you had to buy tens of thousands of dollas
worth of equipment. And then there was no place to download 'new'
firmware. (which was what made me think that this whole firmware thing
was a big hoax: If there is something wrong or old or non-functional
about firmware, why on earth would the manufacturer not want you to
update your hardware which suffers from this old firmware?)

How on earth did you do this, where was the download site for the new
firmware and does maxtor treat their drives any different from IBM/
Hitachi?


This guy has a series of lectures on how to fix hard drives
http://electronic-day.blogspot.com/s...Repair%20Hard%
20Drive

He changes electronics, sometimes heads, sometimes motors.

The electronics has a map of bad sectors remapped to spares. Those will be
wrong.
But some data recovery is better than none.

The electronics needs to be produced within a few months of the 'target
drive', even if the model and rev numbers are the same, changes occur.
But some data recovery is better than none.





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infinite set.

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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:42:07 -0800 (PST), WT
wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

I've taken apart one of these drives and found that the plating on the
glass platter has been partially worn off. Not as bad as in these
photos, but still with an easily visible gap:
http://www.astro.ufl.edu/~ken/crash/index.html
Head crash at its worst.
http://www.berdonclaims.com/cases/details.asp?CaseID=173
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_Deskstar

There are some other possible problems. See:
http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/data-recovery-ibm-deskstar-hard-disk-drive.htm
for URL's and refernces.

The "firmware" is actually on the first few tracks of the drive. It
gets loaded into RAM on bootup. It cannot be easily re-written or
replaced.

Methinks you will not have any success recovering data from a drive
that exhibits the "click of death" problem. I once wasted about $300
only to discover it was hopeless.

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

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Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

.... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested - for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

Regards,
H.

"Heinz Schmitz" wrote in message
...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost
a massive amount of data and correspondly massive amount
of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed"
several years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested -- for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

When I said "full backup", I meant full backup. I use Copy Commander 9.1.
Unlike Ghost (and likely most other products) that claim to produce an exact
copy, Copy Commander actually creates a bootable backup. I periodically copy
the entire drive to a second hard drive. If the main drive fails, all I have
to do is stick in a jumper and swap cables, then restart. As this isn't
something I do every day, Really Important files are also backed up to a Zip
disk.

My next computer will have integral RAID, and I won't have to manually back
up again, ever. (Except possibly Really Important stuff, just to be safe.)

In message , William
Sommerwerck writes
My next computer will have integral RAID, and I won't have to manually back
up again, ever. (Except possibly Really Important stuff, just to be safe.)
With respect William, part of my job is recovering data off
failed/corrupted RAID sets. Do not rely on RAID to keep your data safe,
if the chances of two disks failing in a RAID 5 set then I must be the
luckiest (they weren't my RAID sets) man alive because I've seen it
dozens of times in the past 5 years. If you value your data then back it
up somewhere safe.




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On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:10:13 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Heinz Schmitz" wrote in message
...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost
a massive amount of data and correspondly massive amount
of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed"
several years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested -- for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

When I said "full backup", I meant full backup. I use Copy Commander 9.1.
Unlike Ghost (and likely most other products) that claim to produce an exact
copy, Copy Commander actually creates a bootable backup. I periodically copy
the entire drive to a second hard drive. If the main drive fails, all I have
to do is stick in a jumper and swap cables, then restart. As this isn't
something I do every day, Really Important files are also backed up to a Zip
disk.

My next computer will have integral RAID, and I won't have to manually back
up again, ever. (Except possibly Really Important stuff, just to be safe.)

If you're going for raid, buy a raid controller card, and look at the performance (tom's hardware etc) of each. There is a vast difference in performance between them, and onboard controllers really suck. In fact all the ones I've used don't show much speed increase over a single drive!

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William Sommerwerck wrote:
"Heinz Schmitz" wrote in message
...
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost
a massive amount of data and correspondly massive amount
of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed"
several years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested -- for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

When I said "full backup", I meant full backup. I use Copy Commander 9.1.
Unlike Ghost (and likely most other products) that claim to produce an exact
copy, Copy Commander actually creates a bootable backup. I periodically copy
the entire drive to a second hard drive. If the main drive fails, all I have
to do is stick in a jumper and swap cables, then restart. As this isn't
something I do every day, Really Important files are also backed up to a Zip
disk.

My next computer will have integral RAID, and I won't have to manually back
up again, ever. (Except possibly Really Important stuff, just to be safe.)

RAID is _not_ a backup. It doesn't protect against software & operator
error, for example.

Jerry

Heinz Schmitz wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

All of the programs and data are on the backup, that's why it's called
a backup.
Yes.
What's the "My Data" directory and why would I only backup 1
directory?


The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested - for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

Depends, what you're using. I do a full backup every few months, then
a weekly differential. Current work in progress gets copied to a USB
memory stick as appropriate.
And, yes, I periodically test my backups by doing restores.

Jerry

On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:23:54 -0000, Jerry Peters wrote:

Heinz Schmitz wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:

Incidentally, nobody does backups until AFTER they've lost a massive
amount of data and correspondly massive amount of time and money.

Not I. I back up my hard drive periodically. When W2K "collapsed" several
years, I had full backup and lost nothing.

... only the time to reinstall every single program. Does your backup
care for the bookmarks of your browser, the mails of your emailer and
so forth, which all happily sit somewhere else than in the "My Data"
directory?

All of the programs and data are on the backup, that's why it's called
a backup.
Yes.
What's the "My Data" directory and why would I only backup 1
directory?


The only real thing is a disk imager, working and tested - for your
OS, the hard disk size you use, and the file system you have :-).
To have an incremental backup, too, would be fine.

Depends, what you're using. I do a full backup every few months, then
a weekly differential. Current work in progress gets copied to a USB
memory stick as appropriate.
And, yes, I periodically test my backups by doing restores.

I'm lazy, I get another computer to backup the main one every night.

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1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.
2. You can entertain yourself for more than 15 minutes with a fly swatter.
3. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years.
4. You burn your yard rather than mow it.
5. You think "The Nutcracker" is something you do off the high dive.
6. The Salvation Army declines your furniture.
7.You offer to give someon! e the shirt off your back and they don't want it
8. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial.
9. You come back from the dump with more than you took.
10. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table.
11. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat.
12. Your grandmother has "ammo" on her Christmas list.
13. You keep flea and tick soap in the shower.
14. You've been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.
15. You go to the stock car races and don't need a program.
16. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.
17. You have a rag for a gas cap.
18. Your house doesn't have curtains, but your truck does.
19. You wonder how service stations keep their rest-room's so clean.
20. You can spit without opening your mouth.
21. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it.
22. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand.
23. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say "Cool Whip" on the side.
24. The biggest city you've ever been to is Wal-Mart.
25. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.
26. You've used your ironing board as a buffet table.
27. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does $100,000 worth of improvements.
28. You've used a toilet brush to scratch your back.
29. You missed your 5th grade graduation because you were on jury duty.
30. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65.

WT wrote:

I am looking for an 80 Gb Hitachi Deskstar hard drive, Model
HDS728080PLA380. My brother's machine quit with the Hitachi "click of
death" and I am trying to find a working hard drive like his to swap
parts and try to recover their data. Anyone have one sitting around?
I think his machine is an HP.

Try ebay. They turn up occasionally.

Graham

Ok, I now know what specific drive I need.

Hitachi Deskstar drive:
Model HDS728080PLA380
P/N:0A31048
MLC:BA1468