Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey

Sparkey wrote:
Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

Sparkey,

In your photo of the cap, note that the rating is 250 WV *AC*, as in
"alternating current."

Sparkey wrote in message
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Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey


try posting to soc.culture.japan
someone there might translate it well enough or know of a non-kanji
jp.electronics/sci/tec group
Post back here if you find a mor relevant group

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Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey


What is the model number? Someone might have a manual.


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Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)


Those are the motor run capacitors. There are two seperate
capacitors. "X" or "Y" type capacitors would be suitible replacements.


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"Sparkey" wrote in message
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I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

My guess - this has an AC motor for the deck. The capacitor is the start /
run cap for the motor.

Sparkey wrote:
Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey



The ratings are right there in english as well, it's a 2 section cap
consisting of a 1uF and 2uF capacitor in the same can, both rated 250V
AC, so non-polar electrolytics. You can replace them with two separate
capacitors.

Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)


Did you miss the 1.0uF, 2.0uF and 250V in English ?

I imagine that's a motor run cap.

Graham

Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey

nothing to translate.
it's all there.
2.0 Uf 250 WV (working volts) AC (NON polarized)
if you ask me, it looks like a bellast cap/


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Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)


Did you miss the 1.0uF, 2.0uF and 250V in English ?

I imagine that's a motor run cap.

Graham


Of course the OP can read the values of the capacitor's sections, but he needs
someone who can translate the colors of the dots, which will tell him which
terminal is the 1.0uF and which is the 2.0uF. The American-made multisection
can capacitors of days gone by had symbols (circle/semicircle/square/triangle
etc) to identify which terminals had what capacitance values. These Japanese
units used color dots to indicate which terminal was which. I tried to get
BabelFish and a shareware program called MultiTranse to translate the colors,
but didn't get anything near the symbols on the capacitor. Maybe I wasn't using
the right font/character set??? Don't know much about the Japanese language or
their symbology.
Maybe there is someone lurking in here that could translate the colors for the
OP??????

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address)

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"Jamie" t wrote in message
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Sparkey wrote:

Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey

nothing to translate.
it's all there.
2.0 Uf 250 WV (working volts) AC (NON polarized)
if you ask me, it looks like a bellast cap/


The terminal colours need translating ...

Arfa

"Sparkey" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey


The 2.0uF would appear to be red - see

http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dos...red&I=on&IK=on

Maybe you can work out the 1u and common from that ?

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Sparkey" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hi;

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
(I promise it's spam and virus free.)

I appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sparkey


The 2.0uF would appear to be red - see

http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dos...red&I=on&IK=on

Maybe you can work out the 1u and common from that ?

Arfa


Wow.. how did you find that site?? Good show!!!
If I read the symbols correctly, looks like the White dot is the 1uF terminal;
that leaves the Yellow as common. Hope that logic holds true.
Strangely, I didn't see any symbols that translated to yellow that looked even
remotely like the symbol for the common terminal.

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address)

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Wow.. how did you find that site?? Good show!!!
If I read the symbols correctly, looks like the White dot is the 1uF
terminal;
that leaves the Yellow as common. Hope that logic holds true.
Strangely, I didn't see any symbols that translated to yellow that looked
even
remotely like the symbol for the common terminal.

Wouldn't the use of a simple cap meter sort this out?

"Esther & Fester Bestertester" wrote in message
obal.net...
Wow.. how did you find that site?? Good show!!!
If I read the symbols correctly, looks like the White dot is the 1uF
terminal;
that leaves the Yellow as common. Hope that logic holds true.
Strangely, I didn't see any symbols that translated to yellow that looked
even
remotely like the symbol for the common terminal.

Wouldn't the use of a simple cap meter sort this out?

It would, if the caps were not reading low, as the OP said in his first
post. If the 2u section has dropped below 1u, then it would be hard to
identify for sure, by this method. About the only possible hope would be
that both sections had gone low together, so the 1u section still read lower
than the 2u. It should be easy enough to work out which is the common
though, because with the common open, both caps are effectively in series,
so the cap meter lead combination that gives the lowest reading permed from
any two out of the three pins, shows the common pin to be the one that was
left open during that reading.

Arfa

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:49:08 -0400, "DaveM" wrote:


If I read the symbols correctly, looks like the White dot is the 1uF terminal;
that leaves the Yellow as common. Hope that logic holds true.
Strangely, I didn't see any symbols that translated to yellow that looked even
remotely like the symbol for the common terminal.

from the same site, look at ixeroo on this page - matches the yellow terminal:-

http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dos...low&I=on&IK=on


Geo

http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dos...low&I=on&IK=on

Got server error...

Not a complete URL?

Arfa Daily wrote:
"Esther & Fester Bestertester" wrote in message
obal.net...

Wow.. how did you find that site?? Good show!!!
If I read the symbols correctly, looks like the White dot is the 1uF
terminal;
that leaves the Yellow as common. Hope that logic holds true.
Strangely, I didn't see any symbols that translated to yellow that looked
even
remotely like the symbol for the common terminal.

Wouldn't the use of a simple cap meter sort this out?


It would, if the caps were not reading low, as the OP said in his first
post. If the 2u section has dropped below 1u, then it would be hard to
identify for sure, by this method. About the only possible hope would be
that both sections had gone low together, so the 1u section still read lower
than the 2u. It should be easy enough to work out which is the common
though, because with the common open, both caps are effectively in series,
so the cap meter lead combination that gives the lowest reading permed from
any two out of the three pins, shows the common pin to be the one that was
left open during that reading.

Arfa




Does the motor it connects to have a wiring diagram on it? Many do, and
if not, he could ohm out the windings to figure out which way to connect it.

"Esther & Fester Bestertester" wrote in message
obal.net...
http://www.solon.org/cgi-bin/j-e/dos...low&I=on&IK=on

Got server error...

Not a complete URL?


Works ok for me

Arfa

Sparkey wrote:

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

I e-mailed Mom your photo, and she said that the translation is:

(red) 2.0uF (the thing that looks like "T" and an upside
down "U")
(yellow) 1.0uF (The double-crossed "T", the "T" with the tilted
top, and the box)
(white) C (diagonal line with the quote marks, the funny-
looking "A")
250 VWAC
1969
Hitachi (trademark symbol)

She asked if it was a motor capacitor and if "C" meant "common" or
ground. She also expressed disappointment when she realized my
message wasn't about me finally learning Japanese.

"Johnny Hageyama" wrote in message
oups.com...

Sparkey wrote:

I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

I e-mailed Mom your photo, and she said that the translation is:

(red) 2.0uF (the thing that looks like "T" and an upside
down "U")
(yellow) 1.0uF (The double-crossed "T", the "T" with the tilted
top, and the box)
(white) C (diagonal line with the quote marks, the funny-
looking "A")
250 VWAC
1969
Hitachi (trademark symbol)

She asked if it was a motor capacitor and if "C" meant "common" or
ground. She also expressed disappointment when she realized my
message wasn't about me finally learning Japanese.

Well, I reckon we should all be pretty pleased with ourselves on this one.
That definitive answer pretty much confirms what we managed to work out. Now
where's the OP gone in all this ? Don't seem to have heard from him at all
since his first post ...

Arfa

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:27:01 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, I reckon we should all be pretty pleased with ourselves on this one.

Hmm, I'm just trying to imagine the same scenario from a Japanese
perspective, ie a bunch of Japanese speakers trying to decipher some
English hieroglyphics. ;-)
____ ____ ____
| | | | \
|___| |--- | |
| \ |___ |___/

- Franc Zabkar
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On Apr 20, 11:41 pm, Johnny Hageyama wrote:
Sparkey wrote:
I'm in the processs of replacing electro. caps in an old Roberts
Reel to Reel deck.

There are some questionable electro. caps that I'm trying to replace.
These are the old "can" style caps and the color codes are written in
Japanese (I believe) on the side of the can. There are 3 color dots;
yellow, white and red but I don't know which value they're supposed
to be as the sections all read low.

Can anyone tell from the side of the can what the designations are?
If so, please take a look at the picture on my site posted.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

I e-mailed Mom your photo, and she said that the translation is:

(red) 2.0uF (the thing that looks like "T" and an upside
down "U")
(yellow) 1.0uF (The double-crossed "T", the "T" with the tilted
top, and the box)
(white) C (diagonal line with the quote marks, the funny-
looking "A")
250 VWAC
1969
Hitachi (trademark symbol)

She asked if it was a motor capacitor and if "C" meant "common" or
ground. She also expressed disappointment when she realized my
message wasn't about me finally learning Japanese.

Johnny (and everybody);

Thanks so much for your help. I sure enjoyed reading the postings on
this one !
As it turns out, this morning I found a guy here locally that has a
few similar vintage caps used, but appearantly in good enough shape to
let me meter the values off and identify the beast. My findings
concurr with Johnny's.

I wrote the designations in on the cap in the photo for all to see.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

So this should end the mystery once and for all.

Thanks again,
Spark

On Apr 21, 7:23 pm, Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:27:01 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, I reckon we should all be pretty pleased with ourselves on this one.

Hmm, I'm just trying to imagine the same scenario from aJapanese
perspective, ie a bunch ofJapanesespeakers trying to decipher some
English hieroglyphics. ;-)
____ ____ ____
| | | | \
|___| |--- | |
| \ |___ |___/

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.


Johnny (and everyone)

Thanks so much for your help. I can't believe all the postings.

As it turns out, I found a guy here in town this morning that had
simialr vintage caps in a junk box, but they appearantly were in good
enough shape to let me meter out the values. I wish I had seen
Johnny's post earlier. My finding completely concurr with his (and
mom's)....

I touched up the photo and typed the values in on the picture.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg

I think this is solved once and for all.
Thanks again.
Spark

On Apr 21, 7:23 pm, Franc Zabkar wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:27:01 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
put finger to keyboard and composed:

Well, I reckon we should all be pretty pleased with ourselves on this one.

Hmm, I'm just trying to imagine the same scenario from aJapanese
perspective, ie a bunch ofJapanesespeakers trying to decipher some
English hieroglyphics. ;-)
____ ____ ____
| | | | \
|___| |--- | |
| \ |___ |___/

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Johnny (and everyone)


Thanks so much for your help. I sure enjoyed reading all the
postings. I've been having problems with my DSL and have not been able
to post.

As it turns out, I found a guy here in town that had simialr vintage
caps in a junk box, but they appearantly were in good enough shape to
let me meter out the values. I wish I had seen Johnny's post earlier.
My finding completely concurr with his (and mom's)....

I touched up the photo and typed the values in on the picture.
http://members.aol.com/ta7205/MVC-084f.jpg
I think this is solved once and for all.

Thanks again.
Spark