If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

toussi1 wrote:
If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Black text on dark grey background... maybe they need to light it up
with some of their leds.
Ron(UK)

Ron(UK) wrote:
toussi1 wrote:
If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Black text on dark grey background... maybe they need to light it up
with some of their leds.
Ron(UK)

Hmm, I get grey background and white text, for what it's worth since they
appear to be "Bunny hunting" :-)

Cheers ......... Rheilly P

Where theres a will, I want to be in it.

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If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Misleading info designed to sell their product.

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toussi1 wrote:
If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Misleading info designed to sell their product.

Which bit Dave ?

Arfa

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toussi1 wrote:
If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Misleading info designed to sell their product.

Which bit Dave ?

Arfa




What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in order to
advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called advertising.
How better to make their products and presence known than on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site? Have
you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or otherwise not
as avertised? If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Cheers!!!!
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MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.

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In article ,
toussi1 wrote:
If anyone needs some DIY led guides here is good info.

http://www.plasmaled.com/instructionsled.htm

Misleading info designed to sell their product.

Which bit Dave ?

Arfa




What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than on
a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?
Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised? If not, then I submit that you are a spammer
as well.

Cheers!!!!
--
Dave M
MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters
in the address)

Some days you're the dog, some days the hydrant.


I take it that was Dave P you were replying to - not me ... !!! d;~}

Arfa

In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many include a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many include a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and designed to
sell their product was what I was bringing into question. I was curious as to
your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the site
would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is pretty general,
not applying just to their products (although it is slanted towards use of their
products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they can't be
hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct. Unless you use
some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage will ensue.


And that's all I have to say about that. (Forrest Gump)

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MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just substitute the appropriate characters in the
address)

They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken.

DaveM wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.
Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than
on a web site.
Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?
I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised?
Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.
Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many include a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and designed to
sell their product was what I was bringing into question. I was curious as to
your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the site
would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is pretty general,
not applying just to their products (although it is slanted towards use of their
products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they can't be
hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct. Unless you use
some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage will ensue.


And that's all I have to say about that. (Forrest Gump)

The OP seems to imply that one would get a general discussion of LED's
for the beginner. The actual site gives little information about LED's.
It's simply a catalog with applications. It doesn't give any
information on how to use LED's that do not come out of their warehouse,
or general info on how LED's work...the implication of the OP.

That would be spam.

jak

"DaveM" wrote in message
. ..
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many include
a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and
designed to sell their product was what I was bringing into question. I
was curious as to your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the
site would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is
pretty general, not applying just to their products (although it is
slanted towards use of their products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they can't
be hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct. Unless
you use some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage will
ensue.


This sort of thing can be bad in a group, or good. I don't necessarily
reject all advertising as bad, but it's a case of where you draw the line,
and I guess that officially, it has to be at zero tolerance, although that
is to some extent academic in a group that has not been set up to be
moderated, so has no intrisic mechanism to kill such posts.

I don't really like it when companies 'spam' a group with their adverts,
particularly when they are doing it spread-shot to many groups where their
products have no relevance. On the other hand, occasionally, a component
supplier or info supplier or whatever, whose products or services might be
useful to group members, does pop up on here. If that supplier or
manufacturer has a genuine desire to help the electronics business - and not
all are rogues and charlatans just out to make a fast buck off of internet
fools - then should we condemn that supplier for trying ? Also, I don't have
a problem when a genuine non-commercial person, posts a link to the website
of a supplier or manufacturer that they've found useful or helpful, or whose
products or services they feel would be useful to the group in general. It's
a fine line to be sure ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

"DaveM" wrote in message
. ..
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many include
a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and
designed to sell their product was what I was bringing into question. I
was curious as to your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the
site would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is
pretty general, not applying just to their products (although it is
slanted towards use of their products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they can't
be hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct. Unless
you use some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage will
ensue.


This sort of thing can be bad in a group, or good. I don't necessarily
reject all advertising as bad, but it's a case of where you draw the line,
and I guess that officially, it has to be at zero tolerance, although that
is to some extent academic in a group that has not been set up to be
moderated, so has no intrisic mechanism to kill such posts.

I don't really like it when companies 'spam' a group with their adverts,
particularly when they are doing it spread-shot to many groups where their
products have no relevance. On the other hand, occasionally, a component
supplier or info supplier or whatever, whose products or services might be
useful to group members, does pop up on here. If that supplier or
manufacturer has a genuine desire to help the electronics business - and not
all are rogues and charlatans just out to make a fast buck off of internet
fools - then should we condemn that supplier for trying ? Also, I don't have
a problem when a genuine non-commercial person, posts a link to the website
of a supplier or manufacturer that they've found useful or helpful, or whose
products or services they feel would be useful to the group in general. It's
a fine line to be sure ...

Arfa


My attitude is that its ok to reply to someone's request for a part or
service, but not to post blatant ads. If someone requests a source for,
say, a transistor or IC they need, there should be no problem for
someone to post a message stating, "Yes, we have XX in stock, and the
price is $x.xx each, plus shipping (And stating which country's currency
the price is in)" or something in that vein. That is participating in
the newsgroup, but the ones that loudly proclaim, "We have every part
ever made and you will never be able to deal with anyone else" are just
low life spammers.



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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article ,
Arfa Daily wrote:
Also, I don't have a problem when a genuine non-commercial person,
posts a link to the website of a supplier or manufacturer that they've
found useful or helpful, or whose products or services they feel would
be useful to the group in general. It's a fine line to be sure ...

Given the OP hasn't joined in it's safe to assume it's just spam. ;-)
An honest post from the company involved doesn't seem so bad, somehow.

However, the best way to do it is for a tech from the company to answer a
few questions on LEDs, etc, and include a link to the site. But that
requires effort...

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:

"DaveM" wrote in message
. ..
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known
than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web
site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now
available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built
in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior
or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility
for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many
include
a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and
designed to sell their product was what I was bringing into question.
I
was curious as to your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a
decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the
site would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is
pretty general, not applying just to their products (although it is
slanted towards use of their products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they
can't
be hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct.
Unless
you use some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage
will
ensue.


This sort of thing can be bad in a group, or good. I don't necessarily
reject all advertising as bad, but it's a case of where you draw the
line,
and I guess that officially, it has to be at zero tolerance, although
that
is to some extent academic in a group that has not been set up to be
moderated, so has no intrisic mechanism to kill such posts.

I don't really like it when companies 'spam' a group with their adverts,
particularly when they are doing it spread-shot to many groups where
their
products have no relevance. On the other hand, occasionally, a component
supplier or info supplier or whatever, whose products or services might
be
useful to group members, does pop up on here. If that supplier or
manufacturer has a genuine desire to help the electronics business - and
not
all are rogues and charlatans just out to make a fast buck off of
internet
fools - then should we condemn that supplier for trying ? Also, I don't
have
a problem when a genuine non-commercial person, posts a link to the
website
of a supplier or manufacturer that they've found useful or helpful, or
whose
products or services they feel would be useful to the group in general.
It's
a fine line to be sure ...

Arfa


My attitude is that its ok to reply to someone's request for a part or
service, but not to post blatant ads. If someone requests a source for,
say, a transistor or IC they need, there should be no problem for
someone to post a message stating, "Yes, we have XX in stock, and the
price is $x.xx each, plus shipping (And stating which country's currency
the price is in)" or something in that vein. That is participating in
the newsgroup, but the ones that loudly proclaim, "We have every part
ever made and you will never be able to deal with anyone else" are just
low life spammers.



Yes, I think that sums it up quite well.

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
snip
My attitude is that its ok to reply to someone's request for a part or
service, but not to post blatant ads. If someone requests a source for,
say, a transistor or IC they need, there should be no problem for
someone to post a message stating, "Yes, we have XX in stock, and the
price is $x.xx each, plus shipping (And stating which country's currency
the price is in)" or something in that vein. That is participating in
the newsgroup, but the ones that loudly proclaim, "We have every part
ever made and you will never be able to deal with anyone else" are just
low life spammers.



Yes, I think that sums it up quite well.

Yes it does, with the caveat that the subject line be scrupulously
honest. In this case, the post promised 'information' when in fact, the
site was specifically designed to 'sell', not inform.

jak

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:

"DaveM" wrote in message
. ..
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
DaveM wrote:
What I don't appreciate is the practice of spamming the newsgroups in
order to advertise a web site.

Of course the info is designed to sell their product. It's called
advertising. How better to make their products and presence known
than
on a web site.

Please tell... what is misleading about the information on the web
site?

I take it that's directed at me?

Well, it will have to be from memory since the site's not now
available
here.

It doesn't give general advice on LEDs but simply the ones they sell.
Then things like LEDs can't be used on AC, and that those with built
in
resistors are better value than plain ones.

Have you bought any of their products and found them to be inferior
or
otherwise not as avertised?

Err, the subject was DIY LED guide. That could be a useful facility
for
many if genuine and comprehensive. But it's simply an ad.

If not, then I submit that you are a spammer as well.

Oh yes? How many spammers reply to newsgroup posts? And how many
include
a
genuine e-mail address? ;-)

--


Your statement that the information on the site was misleading and
designed to sell their product was what I was bringing into question.
I
was curious as to your motive for making the statement.

I looked at the web site in question, and there does seem to be a
decent
discussion of LED applications, mounting techniques, etc. Granted, the
site would appeal more to the novice, but the info presented there is
pretty general, not applying just to their products (although it is
slanted towards use of their products).
Their mention of the use of LEDs on AC specifically states that they
can't
be hooked directly across wall power, and is absolutely correct.
Unless
you use some sort of circuitry to limit voltage and current, damage
will
ensue.


This sort of thing can be bad in a group, or good. I don't necessarily
reject all advertising as bad, but it's a case of where you draw the
line,
and I guess that officially, it has to be at zero tolerance, although
that
is to some extent academic in a group that has not been set up to be
moderated, so has no intrisic mechanism to kill such posts.

I don't really like it when companies 'spam' a group with their adverts,
particularly when they are doing it spread-shot to many groups where
their
products have no relevance. On the other hand, occasionally, a component
supplier or info supplier or whatever, whose products or services might
be
useful to group members, does pop up on here. If that supplier or
manufacturer has a genuine desire to help the electronics business - and
not
all are rogues and charlatans just out to make a fast buck off of
internet
fools - then should we condemn that supplier for trying ? Also, I don't
have
a problem when a genuine non-commercial person, posts a link to the
website
of a supplier or manufacturer that they've found useful or helpful, or
whose
products or services they feel would be useful to the group in general.
It's
a fine line to be sure ...

Arfa


My attitude is that its ok to reply to someone's request for a part or
service, but not to post blatant ads. If someone requests a source for,
say, a transistor or IC they need, there should be no problem for
someone to post a message stating, "Yes, we have XX in stock, and the
price is $x.xx each, plus shipping (And stating which country's currency
the price is in)" or something in that vein. That is participating in
the newsgroup, but the ones that loudly proclaim, "We have every part
ever made and you will never be able to deal with anyone else" are just
low life spammers.



Yes, I think that sums it up quite well.

Arfa


Oh no! Now I've done it! I have Arfa agreeing with me! ;-)


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida