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Californica cap-and-trade a big success...
Californica cap-and-trade a big success...
http://tinyurl.com/ahupwfs ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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"Jim Thompson" wrote in message
... Californica cap-and-trade a big success... http://tinyurl.com/ahupwfs In a website appropriately named "Hot Air Express". If cap and trade applied to all states, or by federal mandate, it would work much better. But polluters still have buddies in states where legislators, with their drooling tongues in the wallets of Big Energy, don't care about cooking, choking, poisoning and smoking their populace. They welcome the polluters and contributors to environmental disaster as they pursue "business as usual" tactics that try to preserve dangerous and unhealthy jobs for just a few more years until the old coots die with the most toys and material wealth, while sickening the workforce and leaving them with no health care or as a burden to the rest of us when the greedy companies shut down and the executives bail out on their golden parachutes. This site also is pushing a subscription to the "Town Hall", which I already have thanks to (probably) one of the right-leaning regulars here. It's also allied to the Wall Street Journal, which is also hopelessly biased. Always good to see what the opposition is brewing, but nothing much other than reactionary rhetoric and sore loser whining. There are better sources of information, such as: www.nationalmemo.com www.newsmax.com www.pfaw.org Not that I agree with all of their content, but it seems much more reasonable than that presented by the right-whiners. Paul www.baltimoregreenforum.org |
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"flipper" wrote in message
... Yes, I can see from your hysterical rhetoric what you would consider 'reasonable'. Why is it that so many people with scientific, engineering, and technical skills, are so dogmatically "religious" about their denialist and obstructionist views when it comes to protecting the environment we all share? We are all in this together, although many of the older regulars here may not live long enough to be affected by the catastrophic results of ignoring and belittling the evidence and those who try to present reasonable actions to be taken. Perhaps you consider yourselves to be like the lucky pilot and die in your sleep, and not screaming in terror like his passengers. Paul |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:43:27 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:49:50 -0500, "P E Schoen" wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message . .. Californica cap-and-trade a big success... http://tinyurl.com/ahupwfs In a website appropriately named "Hot Air Express". If cap and trade applied to all states, or by federal mandate, it would work much better. But polluters still have buddies in states where legislators, with their drooling tongues in the wallets of Big Energy, don't care about cooking, choking, poisoning and smoking their populace. They welcome the polluters and contributors to environmental disaster as they pursue "business as usual" tactics that try to preserve dangerous and unhealthy jobs for just a few more years until the old coots die with the most toys and material wealth, while sickening the workforce and leaving them with no health care or as a burden to the rest of us when the greedy companies shut down and the executives bail out on their golden parachutes. This site also is pushing a subscription to the "Town Hall", which I already have thanks to (probably) one of the right-leaning regulars here. It's also allied to the Wall Street Journal, which is also hopelessly biased. Always good to see what the opposition is brewing, but nothing much other than reactionary rhetoric and sore loser whining. There are better sources of information, such as: www.nationalmemo.com www.newsmax.com www.pfaw.org Not that I agree with all of their content, but it seems much more reasonable than that presented by the right-whiners. Paul www.baltimoregreenforum.org Yes, I can see from your hysterical rhetoric what you would consider 'reasonable'. Paul Schoen gets his "science" from Popular Science magazine and knows absolutely NO history. And he judges the world based on his Baltimore slum. Think I exaggerate? Go there some time and look around. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:49:50 -0500, "P E Schoen"
wrote: "Jim Thompson" wrote in message .. . Californica cap-and-trade a big success... http://tinyurl.com/ahupwfs In a website appropriately named "Hot Air Express". If cap and trade applied to all states, or by federal mandate, it would work much better. But polluters still have buddies in states where legislators, with their drooling tongues in the wallets of Big Energy, don't care about cooking, choking, poisoning and smoking their populace. They welcome the polluters and contributors to environmental disaster as they pursue "business as usual" tactics that try to preserve dangerous and unhealthy jobs for just a few more years until the old coots die with the most toys and material wealth, while sickening the workforce and leaving them with no health care or as a burden to the rest of us when the greedy companies shut down and the executives bail out on their golden parachutes. This site also is pushing a subscription to the "Town Hall", which I already have thanks to (probably) one of the right-leaning regulars here. It's also allied to the Wall Street Journal, which is also hopelessly biased. Always good to see what the opposition is brewing, but nothing much other than reactionary rhetoric and sore loser whining. There are better sources of information, such as: www.nationalmemo.com www.newsmax.com www.pfaw.org Not that I agree with all of their content, but it seems much more reasonable than that presented by the right-whiners. Paul www.baltimoregreenforum.org Cap-and-trade is just another messy complication, prone to influence and abuse. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...des-probe.html Politicians don't have the guts to simply create or increase carbon tax. Some people never learn: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/G...ad-3302201.php Some "free market"! It's amusing that lefties and the press (same thing, mostly) have started referring to CO2 as "pollution", to imply that CO2 is hazardous, like ozone or particulates or something. People breath in 400 PPM and exhale about 4%, averaging about a kilogram of CO2 produced per day. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com http://www.highlandtechnology.com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser drivers and controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation |
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P E Schoen wrote:
"flipper" wrote in message ... Yes, I can see from your hysterical rhetoric what you would consider 'reasonable'. Why is it that so many people with scientific, engineering, and technical skills, are so dogmatically "religious" about their denialist and obstructionist views when it comes to protecting the environment we all share? Because people make Doom prophesies out of a lot of it that doesn't always come to pass. Because the CO levels of the exhaust of a well-tuned Beetle would pass a tailpipe test but the regs still said you hadda have a catalytic converter. We've been burned before. And because our carbon use is what's different about how we live now and how people lived - as serfs, basically - two-three hundred years ago. It's also a thing that shines a painfully strong light on the limits of the nation-state. We are all in this together, To an extent, but we all check out of the planet on our own time, so there's a limit... although many of the older regulars here may not live long enough to be affected by the catastrophic results Most of the models predict nobody alive will see it. of ignoring and belittling the evidence and those who try to present reasonable actions to be taken. *My* main grump about it is that I've never, ever had a projection that I made work out. This is one whale of a projection. I lean towards "it's true", but I don't see a lot we can do about it other than a few cargo cult measures. If I thought we really could add Pigovian taxes to the mix and fix it, we should. I doubt they'll work. The rewards for defectors is too high. For some cultures, you cannot even explain them to them. I have no problem with the science. It's the narratives that people build on the science that worry me. This means that people now want to signal eco-conciousness, and that may or many not do any good. Meanwhile, you can't even keep hackers outta corporate networks. Perhaps you consider yourselves to be like the lucky pilot and die in your sleep, and not screaming in terror like his passengers. I think that attributing that much power to our puny species is hubristic. We came into prominence by accident, and I expect we'll go out the same way. Paul -- Les Cargill |
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flipper wrote:
I don't find it amusing at all and it's a standard left wing tactic to simply redefine the language so it's impossible to rationally discuss anything. The very name of modern, so called, 'liberalism' is language theft because the word comes from the Latin liber, or to put it in plain English "free," as in liberty. But the left are statists, suborning the individual to the 'collective' (meaning them), the antithesis of liberty. Liberal in the context of philosophy means free-thinker. Their opionons are defined by thinking, because those opinions are the inevitable result of thinking, because they are "correct." Thinking cannot lead to a different point of view. -- Reply in group, but if emailing add one more zero, and remove the last word. |
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"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ...
flipper wrote: I don't find it amusing at all and it's a standard left wing tactic to simply redefine the language so it's impossible to rationally discuss anything. The very name of modern, so called, 'liberalism' is language theft because the word comes from the Latin liber, or to put it in plain English "free," as in liberty. But the left are statists, suborning the individual to the 'collective' (meaning them), the antithesis of liberty. Liberal in the context of philosophy means free-thinker. Their opionons are defined by thinking, because those opinions are the inevitable result of thinking, because they are "correct." Thinking cannot lead to a different point of view. Veritas vos liberabit. And the truth, veritas, is obtained by free thinking, not by chanting dogmatic mantras. One of the only sure bets is that things will change, and "liberals" are champions of change. True, beneficial, conservatism should just act as a cautionary force to guard against reckless abandon, and not as a stone wall intent on blocking progress and ignoring (or actively denying) new evidence and ideas. Liberty can only survive on a foundation of truth and reason, and not on blind faith or trust in leadership, especially when the motives of those in power, or seeking it, are personal (or corporate) greed and selfishness. The freedom of individuals in a connected society is necessarily limited to that which does not harm the "collective" or its members. The present libertarian and conservative Republican factions seek to ignore or deny the deleterious effect of their selfishly motivated programs where the rights of the (elite and privileged) individual are imagined to trump the welfare and very survival of the civilization which provides the framework for their ability to exist and benefit from that which is provided by others. Free thinkers recognize and respect this, and work in cooperation with others to achieve a common goal. Paul |
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