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Californication at its worst...
BERKELEY, Calif. — The Berkeley City Council will consider a
resolution that would declare the Army private suspected of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks a hero and call for his release. The council plans a vote Tuesday on the resolution in support of Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is being held in a military brig in Virginia. A city commission already has approved it. Bob Meola, who authored the resolution, tells the San Francisco Chronicle that Manning is a patriot who deserves a medal. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7329826.html I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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Californication at its worst...
"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ... BERKELEY, Calif. - The Berkeley City Council will consider a resolution that would declare the Army private suspected of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks a hero and call for his release. I was working for a military contractor (EDO) in the early '70s about the time of the Watergate break-in. When Daniel Ellsberg leaked to the press, the whole plant was required to attend a session with our chief security officer. He told us in no uncertain terms that leaking any classified information was severely punishable. We were given chapter and verse of all the penalties that would be incurred. We had, after all, signed a confidentially agreement as a condition of employment. I would assume that the military is even more particular about enforcing the chain of command and protecting classified information. Beats the heck out of me though that an Army Private would have the necessary credentials to access and steal the range of documents that were released. Something in the network was either not properly secured or the Pvt was a good hacker. In either case, it was not legal. The Takeaway www.thetakeaway.org had some discussions this morning about wikileaks and the web security that allowed the information to be stolen. Oppie |
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:09:44 UTC, "Oppie"
wrote: I would assume that the military is even more particular about enforcing the chain of command and protecting classified information. Beats the heck out of me though that an Army Private would have the necessary credentials to access and steal the range of documents that were released. Something in the network was either not properly secured or the Pvt was a good hacker. In either case, it was not legal. The key principle of security is 'need to know'. The way the story is being told in the UK is that after the Sept 11 attack the US government widened access to secret material to help fight terrorism. So a reported 2,500,000 people have access to this material. I'm not condoning the leaking of classified information but it does appear that the US government that opened up access is largely responsible for this material being available for leaking. It also seems to me that classification is increasingly being used to save politicians embarrassment instead of protecting vital information. Over-classification is as much a problem as failing to protect the real secrets. -- Jim Backus running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS X and Win98SE bona fide replies to j dot backus the circle thingy jita dot demon dot co dot uk |
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Californication at its worst...
"Jim Backus" wrote in message news:TpquPuPd0tCd-pn2-fi01iI13dd0j@localhost... On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:09:44 UTC, "Oppie" wrote: I would assume that the military is even more particular about enforcing the chain of command and protecting classified information. Beats the heck out of me though that an Army Private would have the necessary credentials to access and steal the range of documents that were released. Something in the network was either not properly secured or the Pvt was a good hacker. In either case, it was not legal. The key principle of security is 'need to know'. The way the story is being told in the UK is that after the Sept 11 attack the US government widened access to secret material to help fight terrorism. So a reported 2,500,000 people have access to this material. I'm not condoning the leaking of classified information but it does appear that the US government that opened up access is largely responsible for this material being available for leaking. It also seems to me that classification is increasingly being used to save politicians embarrassment instead of protecting vital information. Over-classification is as much a problem as failing to protect the real secrets. I had forgotten about the need to share information initiative as a result of 9/11. That makes sense then. Still, the military takes an oath of service to the country (not sure of the exact wording - I had a high draft number for the lottery). 'Service to the country' can have different meanings to different folks (revolutions are always legal in the first person). |
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Californication at its worst...
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. Good luck without any ... lettuce celery grapes decent wine semiconductors (silicon valley). We'll probably do well without any imports of: Mexicans across your borders Cactus apples Sand right wing idiots. Thanks, Jim |
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RST Engineering wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. Good luck without any ... lettuce Keep it celery Throw it away. grapes I never see any from California where I live. decent wine I don't drink. semiconductors (silicon valley). Silicon Valley? Does that still exist, other than in name? I see very few semiconductors 'Made in the USA' since the Silicon Valley moved a most work offshore, starting at least 40 years ago. We'll probably do well without any imports of: How about the WATER and ELECTRICITY imports? Mexicans across your borders You get those across the Mexico/'Land of Fruits & Nuts' border. Cactus apples Sand Go pound some. right wing idiots. California already has more than enough idiots to supply the entire earth. Thanks, For nothing. -- For the last time: I am not a mad scientist, I'm just a very ticked off scientist!!! |
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Californication at its worst...
On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:32:15 -0800, RST Engineering
wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. Good luck without any ... lettuce celery grapes Dreamer! All of the above come from Mexico or Chile. And you missed tomatoes ;-) decent wine Australia, New Zealand, Chile and Italy... easy to get, excellent choices and inexpensive. semiconductors (silicon valley). Those companies are fleeing Californica. We'll probably do well without any imports of: Mexicans across your borders They're fleeing Arizona :-) Cactus apples Make excellent candy. Sand right wing idiots. Thanks, Jim Don't worry, Jim/RST, we'll save a low damp spot for you in the internment camps when we round up all the "progressives" and apply Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty"... http://tinyurl.com/2dej2ey ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I'll have you know that I have never once referred to anyone here as being a member of the ignorant, hateful, ugly, mooching class. I have always been kind, referring to them by their own chosen name... Democrats O:-) |
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Californication at its worst...
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:13:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
wrote: On Thu, 09 Dec 2010 23:32:15 -0800, RST Engineering wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. Good luck without any ... lettuce celery grapes Dreamer! All of the above come from Mexico or Chile. And you missed tomatoes ;-) decent wine Australia, New Zealand, Chile and Italy... easy to get, excellent choices and inexpensive. semiconductors (silicon valley). Those companies are fleeing Californica. We'll probably do well without any imports of: Mexicans across your borders They're fleeing Arizona :-) Cactus apples Make excellent candy. Sand right wing idiots. Thanks, Jim Don't worry, Jim/RST, we'll save a low damp spot for you in the internment camps when we round up all the "progressives" and apply Jefferson's "Tree of Liberty"... http://tinyurl.com/2dej2ey ...Jim Thompson Forgot to mention that the San Joaquin Valley is now nearly all desert, thanks to leftist weenies who think the Snail Darter is more important than water for farmers. Leftist weenies are self-destructive. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Californica: Losers voting for losers. |
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Californication at its worst...
"flipper" wrote in message ... On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: BERKELEY, Calif. - The Berkeley City Council will consider a resolution that would declare the Army private suspected of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks a hero and call for his release. The council plans a vote Tuesday on the resolution in support of Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is being held in a military brig in Virginia. A city commission already has approved it. Bob Meola, who authored the resolution, tells the San Francisco Chronicle that Manning is a patriot who deserves a medal. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7329826.html I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. ...Jim Thompson Well, that's typical left wing loonies for you. Stealing classified documents is 'hero' material but the Bush Administration legally divulging info on Wilson's 'Niger investigation' is an outrage. If they were interested in 'truth' they'd relish any release of information but they're not. They're only interested in damaging 'enemies' (which includes the US) and protecting 'friends' regardless of the truth. Let wikileaks start divulging private/confidential documents of labor unions, George Soros, ACORN, or any other left wing affiliate and see how fast they turn into a lynch mob. I'd like to see someone test that theory. I propose Leftistleaks. Now, we need some infiltrators. I'm somewhat surprised we don't have more leaks from the labor unions. MikeK |
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Californication at its worst...
amdx wrote:
"flipper" wrote in message Let wikileaks start divulging private/confidential documents of labor unions, George Soros, ACORN, or any other left wing affiliate and see how fast they turn into a lynch mob. I'd like to see someone test that theory. I propose Leftistleaks. Now, we need some infiltrators. I'm somewhat surprised we don't have more leaks from the labor unions. Who's gonna leak on somebody who's getting them twice the prevailing wage for half the work? Good Luck! Rich |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:39:42 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:54:13 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: BERKELEY, Calif. — The Berkeley City Council will consider a resolution that would declare the Army private suspected of leaking classified information to WikiLeaks a hero and call for his release. The council plans a vote Tuesday on the resolution in support of Pfc. Bradley Manning, who is being held in a military brig in Virginia. A city commission already has approved it. Bob Meola, who authored the resolution, tells the San Francisco Chronicle that Manning is a patriot who deserves a medal. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7329826.html I'm going to suggest that Arizona pass a resolution banning any purchases from Californica. ...Jim Thompson Well, that's typical left wing loonies for you. Stealing classified documents is 'hero' material but the Bush Administration legally divulging info on Wilson's 'Niger investigation' is an outrage. It's great to see Amazon selling wikileaks, can't miss a profit opertunity: /quote from the BBC In a twist to the story it has emerged that Amazon, which last week refused to host Wikileaks, is selling a Kindle version of the documents Wikileaks has leaked. /end quote If they were interested in 'truth' they'd relish any release of information but they're not. They're only interested in damaging 'enemies' (which includes the US) and protecting 'friends' regardless of the truth. Let wikileaks start divulging private/confidential documents of labor unions, George Soros, ACORN, or any other left wing affiliate and see how fast they turn into a lynch mob. |
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