flipper wrote:

Besides, your cell carrier is a 'third party' so you don't have an
'expectation of privacy' anyway, right?

How does this "third party" thing work ?

If I ask you (any you) to spy on Jim T. and I use that information in
court, but I saw I did not get that information, "I got it from a third
party", why is that not spying ?!

Does anyone have links to this argument ?

don

don wrote:
flipper wrote:

Besides, your cell carrier is a 'third party' so you don't have an
'expectation of privacy' anyway, right?

How does this "third party" thing work ?

If I ask you (any you) to spy on Jim T. and I use that information in
court, but I saw I did not get that information, "I got it from a third
party", why is that not spying ?!

Does anyone have links to this argument ?

don
OK, this looks like it:

http://www.michiganlawreview.org/ass...107/4/kerr.pdf

don

In article ,
Beryl wrote:

flipper wrote:

That, btw, does not mean I necessarily object to the way cell pone
records were used in the 'bank robber' case but I strongly object to
the argument being used to justify it.

Tracking time and location of calls bothers you?
Read this.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html
"mobile providers can remotely install a piece of software on to any
handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the
microphone even when its owner is not making a call."

Wouldn't those "bad guys" in New York notice that their cell phones
didn't have much talk time when this technique was being used? I would
think it would tend to run the battery down unexpectedly.

Regards,

John Byrns

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Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:12:14 -0800, Fred Abse
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:09:55 -0800, Herbert John "Jackie" Gleason wrote:

Jeez. Both of you are utterly retarded.

One day, when I have nothing better to do, I'll trawl for the number of
times that the syllable "tard" has occurred in your posts.

For chrissake, learn a bigger, better vocabulary of insults.


**** off and die, you retarded twit.

John Byrns wrote:
In article ,
Beryl wrote:

flipper wrote:

That, btw, does not mean I necessarily object to the way cell pone
records were used in the 'bank robber' case but I strongly object to
the argument being used to justify it.
Tracking time and location of calls bothers you?
Read this.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html
"mobile providers can remotely install a piece of software on to any
handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the
microphone even when its owner is not making a call."

Wouldn't those "bad guys" in New York notice that their cell phones
didn't have much talk time when this technique was being used? I would
think it would tend to run the battery down unexpectedly.

Regards,

John Byrns

Creepy, huh? What do you drive?

"A 2003 lawsuit revealed that the FBI was able to surreptitiously turn
on the built-in microphones in automotive systems like General Motors'
OnStar to snoop on passengers' conversations."

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:15:47 -0800, Beryl wrote:

John Byrns wrote:
In article ,
Beryl wrote:

flipper wrote:

That, btw, does not mean I necessarily object to the way cell pone
records were used in the 'bank robber' case but I strongly object to
the argument being used to justify it.
Tracking time and location of calls bothers you?
Read this.
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html
"mobile providers can remotely install a piece of software on to any
handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the
microphone even when its owner is not making a call."

Wouldn't those "bad guys" in New York notice that their cell phones
didn't have much talk time when this technique was being used? I would
think it would tend to run the battery down unexpectedly.

Regards,

John Byrns

Creepy, huh? What do you drive?

"A 2003 lawsuit revealed that the FBI was able to surreptitiously turn
on the built-in microphones in automotive systems like General Motors'
OnStar to snoop on passengers' conversations."


Sounds like a good time to market third party aftermarket installed
microphone switches. Hard not to rely on a switch position.